Ron Paul choice of the troops march on the white house

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Lol so how do you define "moderately conservative"?

who is willing to listen to all sides of what? What makes you so sure about that? Where has Romney shown this?

He wants to "cut cap and balance the federal budget" yet he wants a huge military presence just as obama? How the **** can he do that when these wars and occupations of countrys bleed our money?

He's a flip flopper. He changes his positions so ****ing fast how do you even know what the hell he stands for?

Pro life? pro choice? pro life? Make your mind up mitt.

Only a ****ing moron would vote for romney. Or obama.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
You can answer my other questions too

stoned

Originally posted by Mairuzu
You can answer my other questions too

stoned

So what? All you have done is pointed out that he is a good politician. Are you telling me that Ron Paul is inflexible?

Why in the world are you quoting yourself?

To bring it to the next page. I added more to what you previously responded to. Duh?

You still arent addressing the questions, you're dodging.

As for Gonzo. I'll get back to you. Getting off work early to **** shit up this weekend stoned

Originally posted by Mairuzu
To bring it to the next page. I added more to what you previously responded to. Duh?

You still arent addressing the problem, you're dodging.

As for Gonzo. I'll get back to you. Getting off work early to **** shit up this weekend stoned

WHAT? You have to make yourself clearer. Dodging? Why would I dodge anything?

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Tell me what is different

Thats how I roll. Try not to focus on my ad hominems stoned

Otherwise you're just wasting time.

awehuhp

I'll leave you guys with this. Be prepared for my return.

Ya, all we need is to go from one freaking worshiped dude to another.

Originally posted by Robtard
Trying to get a new member banned via the "he's a sock!!1!!!" maneuver cos they crushed your argument? Poor form, dude. Poor form.

Huh? He/she/it did not address me.

I didn't even read the post (okay, I admit...I read the first 3 or 4 sentences) but it seemed like a trolly post towards Mairuzu and the person seems a bit "lulz, sock"-ish.

You could just be taking the piss. In which case, you got me.

Originally posted by GonzoMcFonzo
I'm just drawing conclusions based on the available evidence, and the evidence available in this thread is that you can't actually discuss the issues at hand. All you seem to do is repeat talking points, and when asked for clarification simply post videos of other people repeating talking points.

Yeah yeah yeah.

Originally posted by GonzoMcFonzo

Are you f'ing retarded? you realize that only reinforces my point that you are no better than a faux news drone.

No, you're just assuming its my only source of information. 😛

A nice deal of info can be found on youtube though. You can deny it all you want, **** if I care.

Originally posted by GonzoMcFonzo
How is rep. Paul going to magically stop inflation? By abolishing the fed and putting us on the gold standard? That wouldjust make things worse. Deflation is not inherently better than inflation. Anyway, how exactly does rep. Paul plan to avoid the massive economic upheaval (and subsequent loss of wealth) that would come from simply abolishing the fed without changing the rest of the system? Simply pointing out existing problems doesn't make me want to support rep. Paul.

Didnt realize magic was needed to stop printing money and bailing out other banks in europe as well as GM or any other failing corporation. Even goldman sachs. Deflation is better than inflation, wtf lol. You should read his book "end the fed" Ron himself goes into detal. You cant just abolish the fed the next day, first there would be an audit to see what the **** they're doing with trillions of dollars.

Originally posted by GonzoMcFonzo

He would take away power the federal gov't is using to protect the people (e.g. the Civil Rights Act, ADA, etc.),

Civil rights act isnt protecting anyone to begin with. All its doing is infringing private property rights. More government in peoples business. Its a libertarian view. If they want to discriminate against blacks or women then let them, they' wont have shit for business. Thats on them. You're worried about petty problems.

Originally posted by GonzoMcFonzo

and give it to the states, which will use it to oppress people (fun fact, there were no federal Jim Crow laws, that was all states oppressing people). If he truly valued the rights of the people, he would be more interested in protecting their rights, not simply dismantling the federal gov't.

Lol what?? Oppress people? Federal government is too ****ing big and has been intruding where it constitutionally shouldnt be.

Originally posted by GonzoMcFonzo

Oh, of course he never says he going to actually do these things. But he does them anyway. When has the rhetoric coming out of his mouth ever stopped a politician from doing what he wants? I think this is the biggest problem with paul supporters, that they believe that because he has different talking points, he will actually act differently from other politicians.

Lol you must have never heard him talk? Have you heard obama and romney speak lately? You dont call that rhetoric? haermm Oh man. Whatever you want to think bro. He's the only one talking real talk.

Originally posted by GonzoMcFonzo

I hate to break it to you, but by any standard other than contemporary American politics (as in, the last 10 years or so), Obama is a moderate conservative and mittens is a radical conservative. It's just that the rest of the field has swung so far into extreme conservatism it makes him look moderate by comparison.

facepalm This was a waste of time. Perhaps DDM was right all along.

Mairuzu, why do you suddenly make more sense? 😛

I'm not at work haermm

It's usually the reason why I rush my posts. Usually why I just resort to calling everyone stupid. Maybe I facepalm myself too hard.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
I'm not at work haermm

It's usually the reason why I rush my posts. Usually why I just resort to calling everyone stupid. Maybe I facepalm myself too hard.

😆 1/2 hour for me...

Theres a few videos out there showing Obama saying the same old shit over and over word for ****ing word. Rhetoric after Rhetoric.

YouTube video

YouTube video

Some of It I can see why he would have to repeat himself but most of it takes place the year after. Its like... what the ****? You're saying the same shit as if nothing happened within that ****ing year? Its like these guys are ****ing paid actors to act like they're doing something but instead they're lollygagging with our money. Sometimes I feel as if this whole charade is some sort of movie and Paul plays the roll of the guy staring at the camera telling you ITS A ****IN MOVIE

Still trying to verify if those were indeed year after year though. Until then, thats ****ing ridiculous.

Edit: But as for romney, I just can't vote for him. Ever. He's backed by Goldman sachs just like Obama, thats already shit in the sink. Both pro federal reserve. Both pro war. They basically both favor obama care, although you cant tell with Flip Romney.

***** took my KB toy store away too. Nothing will change. I'll only give Romney the upperhand solely because I cant predict the future but thats not saying much. If it comes down to Obama and Romney then Obama will definitely gain a second term and when that happens.. which it most likely will if thats the outcome... then good luck to you all.

Mairuzu, when all you do is parrot YT videos, then refer people back to those videos when they ask for clarification of your position, they are going to assume that that's all you're capable of doing. You srtill haven't answered weather or not you think Ron Paul was the victim of massive voter fraud. I guess you were just trolling before.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Civil rights act isnt protecting anyone to begin with. All its doing is infringing private property rights.

Its a libertarian view. If they want to discriminate against blacks or women then let them, they' wont have shit for business. Thats on them. You're worried about petty problems.

Lol what?? Oppress people? Federal government is too ****ing big and has been intruding where it constitutionally shouldnt be.

Lol you must have never heard him talk?...

Originally posted by GonzoMcFonzo
but like most politicians he's full of shit.

This is what everyone needs to accept before fanboying a given politician, be it a "savior" like Obama or a "rebel" like Paul.

Originally posted by GonzoMcFonzo
Mairuzu, when all you do is parrot YT videos, then refer people back to those videos when they ask for clarification of your position, they are going to assume that that's all you're capable of doing. You srtill haven't answered weather or not you think Ron Paul was the victim of massive voter fraud. I guess you were just trolling before.

Haha whaaaat? My bad my man, here I thought was simply posting evidence of what I claimed to be voter fraud. I don’t recall parroting any YouTube video though.

It would seem pretty silly if I didn’t hold the belief that there is some very sketching things going on in the GOP elections, so yes there are definitely some very head scratching and confusing moments.

Plenty of these officials aren’t obeying some of the rules at all. It would have been rude of me to never provide some sort of what I claim to be evidence for it. Even if I were to parrot every single word, it’s simply information I’m passing along. stoned

Originally posted by GonzoMcFonzo
See, this is what I was talking about. Have you actually read the Civil Rights Act? How is desegregating [b]public schools and ensuring equal treatment for voters of all races infringing anyone's property rights? How is ending racial discrimination in government agencies, or desegregating state and municipal public facilities infringing on anyone's private property rights? These are the changes Ron Paul wants to repeal.

That's why all the "whites only" businesses were on the verge of collapse by the 60s... oh wait. [/b]

Sure have. The constitution is pretty clear, Paul just wants business owners to make decisions about who they do and don't serve, it’s the same principal as whether a business owner should be able to allow people to smoke in their business or not. The government can’t discriminate, but the private citizen can.

I mean, its not like I can walk into your house and do as I please without your consent… it's your property, extend this concept to all private property.
Its fail for the government to enforce it's own laws, you know, laws which are a result of prior laws already condoning slavery and segregation which are sanctioned by the government. 14th amendment

Ron believes that the Constitution applies to everyone, regardless of group titles. When the government begins to regulate the use of your property though, then those bitches are overstepping their bounds.

Originally posted by GonzoMcFonzo

If you read what I actually wrote, I acknowledge that he talks a good game, but like most politicians he's full of shit. Take the abortion example I used. He claims the government shouldn't be involved, but then he tries to pass a bill to federally outlaw abortion, five times (HR 776 in '05, HR 1094 and HR 2597 in '07, HR 2533 in '09 and HR 1096 in '11). He repeated cites this legislation when speaking to the christian right as proof that he is more committed to their theocratic agenda than other candidates. He's also introduced bills that would cause the federal government to discriminate against homosexuals. It's actions like that (and his views that evolution is a hoax perpetuated by the evil godless scientists) that make me say he places his fundamentalist christian beliefs above all else.

crylaugh oh god i'm being trolled. I should have read this part first.

Ron is the only one supporting the good ideals. The other candidates are bought out and only think war and will only screw us over. Not sure where your guys heads are anymore. Snap out of it

Originally posted by Mairuzu

YouTube video

You should ask him. I've talked to him before, myself.

What position are you in to where this feels threatening? Lol

at around the 2:35 mark he basically devolves into a speech where it seems to me he is basically saying if we don't nominate ron paul him and his army buddies will be back to do things 'the hard way.' he fails to specify what the hard way is. we can only assume he's not referring to peaceful voting or protest, since that's the 'easy way.'

and it's not that i personally feel threatened or even think he poses a threat to the govt. i was just commenting on the tone of his speech.

what a nice white house you have mr president, it would be a shame if anything were to happen to it..

anyway here's the actual portion of the speech i'm referring to, decide for yourself:

i do have a warning for you mr president, we can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way. we will march on the republican national convention if we have to, but if elections in this country are halfway fair or transparent, and the 'grand old party' supports the troops enough to listen to them, ron paul will be the nominee of the republican party, and you will be a one term president.

but if they're not: if the voice of the people is not heard, and the voice of the troops is not respected, we will be back. these veterans aren't going away. and if you should decide against what i have no doubt is your better judgement, that you could allow, just one of these people here today to suffer for exercising the rights that you swore to defend when you took office, if we are denied, the peaceful change, i promise you this: we will be doing things the hard way.