^Touching or feeling the outer limits of speed-force is no big deal, Max mercury the slowest of all flashes including jesse whose normal max speed is .25c has touched it many times. The scan of superman being "shocked" is just after diana getting upgraded by clayface, its just before or after he casually grabs her attack and tells her that her reflexes are no match for him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
^Touching or feeling the outer limits of speed-force is no big deal, Max mercury the slowest of all flashes including jesse whose normal max speed is .25c has touched it many times. The scan of superman being "shocked" is just after diana getting upgraded by clayface, its just before or after he casually grabs her attack and tells her that her reflexes are no match for him.
Scan? Also, this is about reflexes and Wonder Wonder Woman REFLEXES is above his. Not hard to grasp if we look at fts. She blocker his heat vision like it was nothing...Superman on more than one occasion has been hit by heat vision...hell, Batman has tagged him with his own heat vision. The lady has blocked heat vision coming from all angles from Amazo and Amazo had Superman and Wonder Woman powers during the time. She tied up Amazo before he could react and Superman didn't even see her this.
Originally posted by abhilegendlike i said I don't know Orion's speed feats that well. I just thought I remembered someone saying that Orion was able to keep pace with Superman at some point which is why I put him where I did.
Malefic laughed at orion's speed in Ostrander's run of martian manhunter.
Originally posted by carver9
This doesn't include her tying up Amazo who had Flash powers before he could react. Superman didn't even see her move.
Blatant untruth, and you've been shown up on it before.
And the sad part is, you diss Wonder Woman's speed whenever she's up against anyone that isn't Superman.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Blatant untruth, and you've been shown up on it before.And the sad part is, you diss Wonder Woman's speed whenever she's up against anyone that isn't Superman.
Huh? I've said numerous of times that Wonder Woman is the fastest Herald minus Flash. Even though her reflexes is above most doesn't mean she outright stomp any Herald she face, especially with CIS on.
Originally posted by carver9
Huh? I've said numerous of times that Wonder Woman is the fastest Herald minus Flash. Even though her reflexes is above most doesn't mean she outright stomp any Herald she face, especially with CIS on.
You're backtracking while trying to back up your point.
Going to address the other point?
Originally posted by carver9
Scan? Also, this is about reflexes and Wonder Wonder Woman REFLEXES is above his. Not hard to grasp if we look at fts. She blocker his heat vision like it was nothing...Superman on more than one occasion has been hit by heat vision...hell, Batman has tagged him with his own heat vision. The lady has blocked heat vision coming from all angles from Amazo and Amazo had Superman and Wonder Woman powers during the time. She tied up Amazo before he could react and Superman didn't even see her this.
You need to start using actual logic in your arguments, seriously.
And to stop lying.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You're backtracking while trying to back up your point.Going to address the other point?
You need to start using actual logic in your arguments, seriously.
And to stop lying.
Wonder Woman has proven imo that she is the fastest Herald. Her reflexes is next to none. Pure speed, I would give the edge to numerous of people on that list over her...reflexes, I would only put Flash above her.
Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman has proven imo that she is the fastest Herald. Her reflexes is next to none. Pure speed, I would give the edge to numerous of people on that list over her...reflexes, I would only put Flash above her.
I don't mind people believing she's the fastest; you can make that argument if you want. It's not unreasonable.
Stating as fact, or stating things that aren't true, though, aren't going to help your case.
One writer who was butthurt because he was IIRC getting his *ss handed to him in a debate on the DC boards (Lol worthy) and it's suddenly fact.
Superman's at least as fast as Wonder Woman in terms of reflexes and his raw speed leaves hers in the dust. The best evidence would be their brief hand to hand encounter in sacrifice but Superman was hallucinating and torn by grief/rage so it's useless as conclusive evidence. On the other hand, there's Superman slapping her around like she owed him money in For Tomorrow etc.
Diana is pretty lucky that no Superman biased writers (Casey, Loeb etc.) ever gave a shit about a fight between the two (Too busy handling real business) like some of her writers are. He'd have probably torn her to pieces.
Originally posted by carver9
Scan? Also, this is about reflexes and Wonder Wonder Woman REFLEXES is above his. Not hard to grasp if we look at fts. She blocker his heat vision like it was nothing...Superman on more than one occasion has been hit by heat vision...hell, Batman has tagged him with his own heat vision. The lady has blocked heat vision coming from all angles from Amazo and Amazo had Superman and Wonder Woman powers during the time. She tied up Amazo before he could react and Superman didn't even see her this.
That was Green Arrow talking, not Superman. 😐
In the very same scene you're referring to by the way, Superman was heavily hinted at being faster than her:
But continue on Carver, I know logic isn't your strong suit.
For the record, Thor's reacted to heat vision before so I'll remember to note this if we ever discuss his reflexes. excellent
For some reasons the scans didn't show up, here's the entire scene:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27414/1130432-wonderwoman162p03_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27414/1130435-wonderwoman162p04_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27414/1130436-wonderwoman162p05_super.jpg
Where Supes/WW are concerned, I have never seen Dianna perceive events on THIS kind of 'time table':
"Now that I've sped up my senses to match Flash's speed, it's like the whole world has just FROZEN in place around us."
Not saying her reactions aren't faster than Superman's, but I've never seen her speed up her perceptions to such a degree that time essentially stops around her (something Supes effortlessly accomplished)..?
