Reflex speed.

In comics, running speed and combat speed are treated interchangeably. As in, if Flash outruns Superman, you can be sure he'll outpace him in combat, too. There's also no need to into the internal logistics of "Hey, he moves his feat to run -> his limb movement must match his velocity -> he can fight at that velocity", since everybody who has read comics knows that's the way it works.

Superman and Flash are treated as the single fastest DC heroes - they've been historical rivals (with the odd Geoff Johns Barry) - and that's the way it will always be. That's not extended soley when they meet - Superman has met Eobard who commented on Superman's speed rivaling his (http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supeszoom4.jpg.html) and the other Flashes have either admitted that Superman is faster than them (like Jay) or have outright been outpaced by Supes (like Kid Flash).

With that being said, what's being argued here, that Wonder Woman is closer to Flash than Superman is? Are people serious?

Some are implying however its not even close. Superman has tagged people beyond anything Wonder Woman has done.

Originally posted by Philosophía
In comics, running speed and combat speed are treated interchangeably. As in, if Flash outruns Superman, you can be sure he'll outpace him in combat, too. There's also no need to into the internal logistics of "Hey, he moves his feat to run -> his limb movement must match his velocity -> he can fight at that velocity", since everybody who has read comics knows that's the way it works.

Superman and Flash are treated as the single fastest DC heroes - they've been historical rivals (with the odd Geoff Johns Barry) - and that's the way it will always be. That's not extended soley when they meet - Superman has met Eobard who commented on Superman's speed rivaling his (http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supeszoom4.jpg.html) and the other Flashes have either admitted that Superman is faster than them (like Jay) or have outright been outpaced by Supes (like Kid Flash).

With that being said, what's being argued here, that Wonder Woman is closer to Flash than Superman is? Are people serious?

The problem is that while it is generally used interchangeably in comics, we don't have that luxury.

But yeah, people are arguing that she's faster. At least some are doing it because they genuinely like Diana, as opposed to the people doing it because they just hate Superman.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He takes her someplace else really quickly after changing clothes... Anything else?

Running in a straight line for long distances is a travel speed feat, yes. why wouldn't it be?

Lol...that's all I needed. Thanks for the post.

Originally posted by Philosophía
In comics, running speed and combat speed are treated interchangeably. As in, if Flash outruns Superman, you can be sure he'll outpace him in combat, too. There's also no need to into the internal logistics of "Hey, he moves his feat to run -> his limb movement must match his velocity -> he can fight at that velocity", since everybody who has read comics knows that's the way it works.

Superman and Flash are treated as the single fastest DC heroes - they've been historical rivals (with the odd Geoff Johns Barry) - and that's the way it will always be. That's not extended soley when they meet - Superman has met Eobard who commented on Superman's speed rivaling his (http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supeszoom4.jpg.html) and the other Flashes have either admitted that Superman is faster than them (like Jay) or have outright been outpaced by Supes (like Kid Flash).

With that being said, what's being argued here, that Wonder Woman is closer to Flash than Superman is? Are people serious?

When Flash and Zoom fought and the subject of speed was the focus, what was superman doing? He was a statue.

Superman could NEVER do this to Flash.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O473H19GVus/VA3FNQjy5AI/AAAAAAAA9Co/JmJsvj38Y40/s1600/flash-vs-zoom.jpg

People are using travel speed in supermans defense when this is about reflex speed. WW has lassoed flash and has better reflex showings against him and superman than they have against each other. WW reflex speed is faster than superman by direct comparesion.

Originally posted by JBL
This scan tell it all when the subject of speed it the focus point. Flash can make superman look like a fool if he wants to, like he did here.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120267/3357207-9221713518-13673.jpg

When Flash and Zoom fought and the subject of speed was the focus, what was superman doing? He was a statue.

Superman could NEVER do this to Flash.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O473H19GVus/VA3FNQjy5AI/AAAAAAAA9Co/JmJsvj38Y40/s1600/flash-vs-zoom.jpg

People are using travel speed in supermans defense when this is about reflex speed. WW has lassoed flash and has better reflex showings against him and superman than they have against each other. WW reflex speed is faster than superman by direct comparesion.

Somone being faster then Supes in running like the flash does not equal to making Supes look like a fool. Using you're logic, anyone that is superior to anyone then makes that person look like a fool. Ergo your "Foolish Statement." For Example, TOAA and the Presence makes all of comic lore look like fools. See why you're rant means little?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Somone being faster then Supes in running like the flash does not equal to making Supes look like a fool. Using you're logic, anyone that is superior to anyone then makes that person look like a fool. Ergo your "Foolish Statement." For Example, TOAA and the Presence makes all of comic lore look like fools. See why you're rant means little?

Originally posted by JBL
You will say anything as long as it wank superman. You will agree with anyone who do the same. If its against superman, its hate. So its pointless to say anything against superman.

Thats a "no u" argument.

Lets Try again, and I will break it down Barney style for you.

I said that Flash is indeed faster then Superman, how was I wanking him? The problem you have is now you in cry baby mode, because I agreed with you that Flash was indeed faster, but I weeded through you "foolish" rant and called it out for what it is. Now your "no u" argument has surfaced and you are crying and putting words in my mouth.

The problem you has is you have so much inner rage about Supes, its all you can talk about.

JBL: LOL. Too bad WW's so-called "superior reflexes" never helped her much against Superman in any of their fights. LOL.

Sorry, but none of the WW supporters have proven that WW is even on the same level as Supe's reflex wise (or any other wise for that matter) let alone superior to him. Rao posted some good reflex speed feats for Superman in the Supes vs WW thread a while back that makes WW speed feats pale in comparison. All the stubborn Diana supporters that keep saying the same stupid stuff in this thread like "it seems Superman fans don't know the difference between travel speed and combat speed" should check it out but I guess they'll probably say that they're all "travel speed" feats as well. Obviously, only Wondy's speed feats are reflex feats while all of Superman's posted in scans are ALL travel feats according to them. I guess it's easier to claim all of Superman's superior speed feats are invalid rather than admit that they were proven wrong... and people claim that Superman fanboys are the worst. LOL.

Hell, they even claimed that blitzing someone and punching them dozens or hundreds of times before the blitzed person can react is "travel speed" LMFAO. That's probably the most absurd thing that they said in this thread and just shows how much in denial they are. I'll admit that Abhi has posted some scans that are obvious travel speed feats but he's posted some nice reflex feats too for Superman (the one of Clark deflecting all those kryptonite rays is much more impressive than any WW feat I've seen posted) and yet the WW supporters still yell "Superman fans don't know the difference between travel speed and combat speed!". LOL. I guess, according to them, combat speed is only when a person deflects bullets or heat vision with some lame magical trinket. LOL. Where was Diana's superior reflexes when Superman was bitchslapping her around in Superman: For Tomorrow? I don't expect an answer to this of course because they know that fight by itself proves her reflexes are not superior to his.

They can keep spewing the same crap for all I care because I've decided to place all the ones who keep saying her reflexes are superior without showing actual proof and that Supe's fans don't know difference between reflexes and travel speed on ignore. I regard it as an insult to my intelligence that someone claims I don't know difference between travel speed and combat speed so yeah, welcome to ignore to all of you who have done this repeatedly in this thread.

Since no one has shown anything that proves otherwise in this thread or anywhere else I still stand by what I said originally that Superman is at least a tier ahead of Diana in every category (even reflexes) except for fighting skill.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Some are implying however its not even close. Superman has tagged people beyond anything Wonder Woman has done.

Oh, come on Time Immemorial. Everybody knows that Superman tagging people that WW can't is invalid because that's "travel speed" and has nothing to do with reflexes whatsoever! 🙄

If a character isn't deflecting bullets or heat vision with magical bracelets then obviously it's not a reflex feat! It's always travel speed when it's anything else! LOL.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Thats a "no u" argument.

Lets Try again, and I will break it down Barney style for you.

I said that Flash is indeed faster then Superman, how was I wanking him? The problem you have is now you in cry baby mode, because I agreed with you that Flash was indeed faster, but I weeded through you "foolish" rant and called it out for what it is. Now your "no u" argument has surfaced and you are crying and putting words in my mouth.

The problem you has is you have so much inner rage about Supes, its all you can talk about.

Originally posted by JBL
Inner rage about superman??? You make a thread about supermen vs a full powered Tyrant one on one which leads people to believe you think they each have a chance against TYRANT???????? Do you even know who Tyrant is??? Thats a class 100 spite thread to people who know what Tyrant will do to each one of them. But in your mind you think they have a chance dont you? You even throw in DCNU Superman. LOL. Its not that people hate superman, its that they get sick and tired of fans putting him up against characters that would MURDER HIM and they try and correct you before laughing at such threads or your love for supes. You just hate to hear that he can lose, thats the real ( INNER RAGE )

None of what you said refute my post earlier about you constantly lying and putting words in other peoples mouth. As for the Tyrant thread, how about you post in that thread with your butt hurt. As for your previous post about you saying I was wanking Supes. Prove it or concede because I said flash was faster. Your problem is you have a vast inability to reading or comprehend anything involving Supes. Actually I don't have a problem with him losing fights.

Ergo:
You Earlier: Flash is faster
Me: Yes he is.
You: Stop wanking Superman.

As you can see if you take the time to read what you wrote you will find this truth. But to you won't see it basically because you can't.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He takes her someplace else really quickly after changing clothes... Anything else?

Running in a straight line for long distances is a travel speed feat, yes. why wouldn't it be?

Originally posted by JBL
This scan tell it all when the subject of speed it the focus point. Flash can make superman look like a fool if he wants to, like he did here.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120267/3357207-9221713518-13673.jpg

People are using travel speed in supermans defense when this is about reflex speed. WW has lassoed flash and has better reflex showings against him and superman than they have against each other. WW reflex speed is faster than superman by direct comparesion.

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supermanbarrywarping2.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supermanbarrywarping3.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supermanbarrywarping4.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supermanbarrywarping5.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supermanbarrywarping6.jpg

Oh right, you will just ignore it. I'm curious though, what Flash showings do you have in mind? Because a sonic speed Barry Allen clone made Diana look like statue.

Wonder Woman received a power up after the Flash/Barry Allen scan. Clay face power up to be exact. Scan is pointless.

Next scan. Where was it said that Diana was trying to keep up with Flash?

Last scan. Where was it said that Flash was moving/running at hyper speed? It did say he was harmonizing at those speeds. Ya know, speaking. Does speaking=running, lol?

She didn't get a speed boost. Clayface stole some of her powers, she got it back.

Haha, that's your excuse? Everyone was trying to stop barry, but Wonder Woman was just hanging back?

Yeah, and the fact that he was changing entire city so fast that nobody could even see it. That rivals Wally's famous nuke feat. I'd like to see her feats even remotely as impressive as that. And like this

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/2337226-wonder_woman_041_12.jpg

She is just as fast as Power Girl, Superman blitzes Power Girl and a whole team so fast that she has no time to even react.

She was like a statue to him. But that doesn't counts too, right?

But that's not all that impressive compared to this.

Superman sets up things so fast that even though Wally could see the punch coming, he could do absolutely nothing to stop it. That's speed. "Wally is fast enough to see it coming, but not fast enough to do anything about it."

So yeah JBL, eat your heart out.

😄

Will comment on your first post in a min but I want to comment on your second post. Isn't that the same Superman WW stalemated in Sacrifice? And funny you mention that...Ya know, the same Supes Max Lord possessed (the same one in the scan below). Wonder Woman snatch her Tiara off and tOSS it at Superman throat at super speed before he could react and he was looking right at her.

At one point she blitz him with continuous punches while holding back.

That isn't it though. While hurt, she dodge his punch, dodge his heat vision and lands a hit of her own.

Same Supes in ABHI scan. Wonder what his excuse will be. Using the scan above, especially that Superman does not help him at all. Hell, there was one scene where WW moved so fast she disappeared from Superman sight.

You know what? You guys made me do this.

From this point on, I'm closing any thread that argues reflex speed when it comes to Superman and Wonder Woman, because you guys just can't resist turning it in to yet another bitchfest.

JBL, carver, abhi and a few others, you guys are so close to just being shitcanned that you have no idea how easy it would be to just push that button. This is the alternative.

You've been warned.