I'm not going to get into this right now Carver, unfortunately I don't have the time, but if you're interested, I'm sure you can read up on the character. I recommend PAD's run, it was pretty good. If you consider Onslaught Saga and Post Heroes-Reborn Hulk as Merged, you should pick those up as well, he has a few showings in those that I know you love.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not going to get into this right now Carver, unfortunately I don't have the time, but if you're interested, I'm sure you can read up on the character. I recommend PAD's run, it was pretty good. If you consider Onslaught Saga and Post Heroes-Reborn Hulk as Merged, you should pick those up as well, he has a few showings in those that I know you love.
I seen his showings...I'm asking you what stood out to "Rage". I wouldnt put him above WWH.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In practice, I doubt either Nul or World War Hulk would be more powerful than Merged based on the levels his operated at. On paper, I guess the later incarnations would be more powerful, upgrades and all that, but paper =/= practice at times.
What happened in NYC was the result of the levels that WW Hulk could attain. WB Hulk is in fact WW Hulk at a higher level, which was also stated throughout the Planet Hulk run. In my opinion judging be the feats attained in the Planet Hulk arc, the Hulk's power was nerfed during the WW Hulk storyline. I know that i don't have to bring up how horribly written that rag was. Even if we were to take what may or may not have been a Merged Hulk feat into consideration (Onslaught getting broken). Was that truly the Merged Hulk, or another version of the Mindless Hulk? I'm thinking that it was the latter based on the fact the Jean took Banner out of the equation. In my opinion even the mindless Hulk was inferior to WW Hulk at the height of his power which happened at the very end of WW Hulk.
It doesn't matter since it was stated too many times that WWH was the most powerful Hulk to walk the planet and this includes everyone before him. Pak made it clear that WWH was above any Hulk that ever existed before him and that includes Mindless Hulk and War Hulk AND Nul.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkpoweroffcharts.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest1.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhangriest.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest2.jpg
There are more but I'm guessing this should be enough. It's clear what Pak was trying to say about WWH.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
nul is more powerful than hammerless hulk simply for the fact that he could presumably still go worldbreaker with the hammer in his hands (if he doesn't accidentally crush it)
But he never went World Breaker or anything close to it. What Nul showed us onpanel doesn't represent him as one of the more powerful Hulks (WWH, WBH, War Hulk, Mindless Hulk).
Originally posted by psycho gundam
nul is more powerful than hammerless hulk simply for the fact that he could presumably still go worldbreaker with the hammer in his hands (if he doesn't accidentally crush it)
Not sure if I can go with this. Did Nul ever show the ability to amplify his strength? If so was it at the rate at which WW Hulk could ramp up?
Yo.
Originally posted by carver9
WBH is the strongest Hulk that has appeared in a comic. You asking me this is insane. Nul did nothing to suggest he is even a fraction of WBH. WWH>>Nul.
I dont know about that: if we take Nuls tearing of woven adamantium as legit then that should certainly put him in the ballpark..........unless U have a feat of WBH or WWH similarly affecting something greater?
Originally posted by carver9
That's what Im saying. Nul isn't more powerful than WWH and he sure as hell isn't more powerful than WBH.
tbch Im not seeing a whole lot of diff between WWH & WBH, given that Hulk never actually broke the world; cracked the ground/made a big fissure w/little effort (less than we would normally have seen to do the same) sure, but theres no measurement done to show the diff between WWH & WBH (beyond fandom name-swapping), nor those 2 and Nul.
Originally posted by carver9
I never said WBH said this...I said "Hulk" said this...WWH. Nul isnt below WBH...now let's move on to the battle.
Im going to assume U mis-spoke here and didnt mean to say the underlined, as that runs counter to yur previous 2 comments above.......yes?
Tazer
Originally posted by Silent Master
If you're going to claim that WB Hulk is going to get ___ times stronger, then you need to show WB Hulk getting ___ times stronger.
A weaker version of the Hulk was able to amp his strength strong enough to lift the super adaptoid that made himself as heavy as a mountain.
Let's see so far carver, you keep just saying that Nul was weaker than WWH or WBH without any real evidence. Only the fact if its not the case then it ruins all your theories and power level arguments. That seems to be your primary motivation for those statements.
For instance you've said that Nul Hulk destroyed Adamantium therefore a stronger version of Hulk will do it, but that only works if Nul is in fact weaker.
The same Worthy Hulk destroyed enchanted Uru which was also very impressive. So here's an idea prove all these other versions of Hulk could do something similar to that. So WWH Hulk or WBH breaking Adamantium or enchanted Uru.
He also took far less damage then WWH did when Nul Hulk was walking through the Vampire nation and taking some similar attacks to what he took in WWH.
I mean you want to sit here say Hulk really didn't get amped except for versatility but the fact is every single person with a hammer got an amp. I mean it allowed Attuma to tangle with the Silver Surfer. That's a pretty impressive boost.
Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.I dont know about that: if we take Nuls tearing of woven adamantium as legit then that should certainly put him in the ballpark..........unless U have a feat of WBH or WWH similarly affecting something greater?
tbch Im not seeing a whole lot of diff between WWH & WBH, given that Hulk never actually broke the world; cracked the ground/made a big fissure w/little effort (less than we would normally have seen to do the same) sure, but theres no measurement done to show the diff between WWH & WBH (beyond fandom name-swapping), nor those 2 and Nul.
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Err WBH did destroy the dark dimension planet in IH 634,damage a nearby moon, along with killing several class 100 (Wendigo,Bi-beast, Armcheddon,) characters, an amped Fing fang foom, and the entire race of mindless ones just as an aftereffect of his collission with Betty..that happened in mid air...To say that u dont see the difference between that and WWH or that in Nul is................just baffling quite frankly. Nul breaking an adamantium net quite frankly doesnt hold a candle to what WBH actually did.
Seriously to even suggest Nul is anywhere close to WBH strengthwise is ludicrous and demands willful ignoring of the comic
Originally posted by Newjak
Let's see so far carver, you keep just saying that Nul was weaker than WWH or WBH without any real evidence. Only the fact if its not the case then it ruins all your theories and power level arguments. That seems to be your primary motivation for those statements.For instance you've said that Nul Hulk destroyed Adamantium therefore a stronger version of Hulk will do it, but that only works if Nul is in fact weaker.
The same Worthy Hulk destroyed enchanted Uru which was also very impressive. So here's an idea prove all these other versions of Hulk could do something similar to that. So WWH Hulk or WBH breaking Adamantium or enchanted Uru.
He also took far less damage then WWH did when Nul Hulk was walking through the Vampire nation and taking some similar attacks to what he took in WWH.
I mean you want to sit here say Hulk really didn't get amped except for versatility but the fact is every single person with a hammer got an amp. I mean it allowed Attuma to tangle with the Silver Surfer. That's a pretty impressive boost.
Read my post on this page with the pretty pictures.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=562158&pagenumber=3
Nul did NOTHING to suggest he is on WWH or WBH leveks except get his a** handed to him. These same people couldn't even BUDGE WWH let alone cause him any damage like they did to Nul. Nul ripping adamantium and Uru...very impressive, kind of remind me of a weakened WWH holding a planet together or a WWH that just got through battling a team that consistently toyed with his powers over powering Juggernaut enchantment by stopping his unstoppable movement (WWH did this). WWH was ripping through Herc face like tissue paper...ripped Sentry face up with a single punch. He was doing things with his fist that no other Herald that has faced him accomplished.
As for WBH...HAHAHAHAHAHA, he was melting Heralds just by punching at other objects. Lol...he was tanking their attacks without even moving. Nul wouldnt even needed to swing his hammer to take over the Vampire nation if he was as powerful as WBH...the same guy who thunderclapped a dimensional barrier down that was put up by Umar.
I know you want to make yow buddy Thor look good but this isn't the way to do it.
Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.^^^ let me guess: the S-A said "You cant do that!! I...Im as heavy as (either simply 'a mountain', or he inserted a named mountain range)!!", or something to that effect, as hulk picked it up?
thats kinda "ehhh........" as a feat to me.
Tazer
Even if you don't know the exact weight he was obvoulsy extremely heavy, very quickly.
Anyway Naja has better proof just throwing that one out, could probably give better examples if I had time.
Originally posted by NewjakEven despite all this it flat out states he's amped on panel. Carver ignores it all and just makes things up without any evidence to even suggest a semi reasonable stance.
Let's see so far carver, you keep just saying that Nul was weaker than WWH or WBH without any real evidence. Only the fact if its not the case then it ruins all your theories and power level arguments. That seems to be your primary motivation for those statements.For instance you've said that Nul Hulk destroyed Adamantium therefore a stronger version of Hulk will do it, but that only works if Nul is in fact weaker.
The same Worthy Hulk destroyed enchanted Uru which was also very impressive. So here's an idea prove all these other versions of Hulk could do something similar to that. So WWH Hulk or WBH breaking Adamantium or enchanted Uru.
He also took far less damage then WWH did when Nul Hulk was walking through the Vampire nation and taking some similar attacks to what he took in WWH.
I mean you want to sit here say Hulk really didn't get amped except for versatility but the fact is every single person with a hammer got an amp. I mean it allowed Attuma to tangle with the Silver Surfer. That's a pretty impressive boost.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Even despite all this it flat out states he's amped on panel. Carver ignores it all and just makes things up without any evidence to even suggest a semi reasonable stance.
It stated he was more powerful than your AVERAGE Hulk. Nul is more powerful than the AVERAGE Hulk. That's not what I am disputing. War Hulk was more powerful than your average Hulk as well and WWH was stated on panel as being more powerful than this Hulk and War Hulk was a Hulk amped off of Celestial power.
Originally posted by carver9It comes down to interpretation. Nul Hulk came after WW Hulk so no there was never a direct comparison.
It stated he was more powerful than your AVERAGE Hulk. Nul is more powerful than the AVERAGE Hulk. That's not what I am disputing. War Hulk was more powerful than your average Hulk as well and WWH was stated on panel as being more powerful than this Hulk and War Hulk was a Hulk amped off of Celestial power.
