Originally posted by quanchi112
It comes down to interpretation. Nul Hulk came after WW Hulk so no there was never a direct comparison.
Huh? Savage Hulk appeared again after WWH but that doesn't mean he is more powerful. Your logic fails and WWH isn't an AVERAGE Hulk, no matter how you look at it. WWH is the most powerful Hulk going by on panel proof which basically excludes him from being an AVERAGE Hulk.
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This isn't hard to comprehend Quan.
Originally posted by carver9Savage Hulk also appeared before WW Hulk so it applied to that version not a future version. You never make any sense. Ever.
Huh? Savage Hulk appeared again after WWH but that doesn't mean he is more powerful. Your logic fails and WWH isn't an AVERAGE Hulk, no matter how you look at it. WWH is the most powerful Hulk going by on panel proof which basically excludes him from being an AVERAGE Hulk.http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest.jpg
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http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest2.jpgThis isn't hard to comprehend Quan.
Nul got CRUSHED by the Avengers...hell, Ms. Marvel overpowered him TWICE and Spider Woman punches was knocking chunks of flesh off of him.
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Hulk was standing in front of a more powerful team...WWH, and they pissed on themselves. WWH even tells them in their face that they can't do anything to him and Ms. marvel was one of the people (the same one that was tossing Nul around).
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Then they all attack Skaar and they can't even move him out of his spot with all of their attacks (remember, this is the same team that faced Nul INCLUDING extra powerhouses).
Guess what Hulk does, he overpower this same amped Skaar with one hand and mock his strength. WWH>>Nul.
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Originally posted by carver9I already read that post and it pretty much is the samething you always say.
Read my post on this page with the pretty pictures.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=562158&pagenumber=3
Nul did NOTHING to suggest he is on WWH or WBH leveks except get his a** handed to him. These same people couldn't even BUDGE WWH let alone cause him any damage like they did to Nul. Nul ripping adamantium and Uru...very impressive, kind of remind me of a weakened WWH holding a planet together or a WWH that just got through battling a team that consistently toyed with his powers over powering Juggernaut enchantment by stopping his unstoppable movement (WWH did this). WWH was ripping through Herc face like tissue paper...ripped Sentry face up with a single punch. He was doing things with his fist that no other Herald that has faced him accomplished.
As for WBH...HAHAHAHAHAHA, he was melting Heralds just by punching at other objects. Lol...he was tanking their attacks without even moving. Nul wouldnt even needed to swing his hammer to take over the Vampire nation if he was as powerful as WBH...the same guy who thunderclapped a dimensional barrier down that was put up by Umar.
I know you want to make yow buddy Thor look good but this isn't the way to do it.
And at the end of the day you still can't show a scan of WBH Hulk destroying admantium.
Secondly there is one flat out lie in your statement. WWH Hulk never stopped Juggernaut's forward momentum only managed to redirect it somewhat even though in the scans he is still clearly getting pushed back if you look at his feet. Heck the only way Hulk manages to get rid of Cain is to move out of the way so that Cain BFRed himself.
And WWH got tore up by a lot of things like Adamantium bullets. Heck during the WWH stuff he was getting hurt by things Savage Hulk has shrugged off. Some of the same stuff Nul Hulk walked through during his fight with the Vampire Nation.
As for the rest are you really sitting there acting like Nul Hulk couldn't have destroyed the planet if he wanted to... He could have he just didn't, know why because if he did he would have destroyed his Master's fear supply.
Also that generally happens all the time when someone fights on Earth. Look at the Silver Surfer his fights have casually destroyed planets and opened up Black Holes. Why doesn't that always happen in his big fights because then there wouldn't be an earth left.
Look at Beta Ray Bill he has destroyed planets and fought much more powerful people then anything WBH did in his arc yet when it comes to earth Bill isn't casually destroyed planets.
Your logic is flawed.
Now let's see what type of punches WWH can take...lol. Rulk absorbs so much of WWH power that he starts glowing...hell, he absorb so much of Hulk power that he is capable of punching Hulk so hard that it creates a Nuclear explosion.
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Hulk tanked that sh** and didn't suffer near the damage Nul suffered against some Metas and the beauty of it is, he wasn't even phased by this attack by reading his words.
Originally posted by Newjak
I already read that post and it pretty much is the samething you always say.And at the end of the day you still can't show a scan of WBH Hulk destroying admantium.
Secondly there is one flat out lie in your statement. WWH Hulk never stopped Juggernaut's forward momentum only managed to redirect it somewhat even though in the scans he is still clearly getting pushed back if you look at his feet. Heck the only way Hulk manages to get rid of Cain is to move out of the way so that Cain BFRed himself.
And WWH got tore up by a lot of things like Adamantium bullets. Heck during the WWH stuff he was getting hurt by things Savage Hulk has shrugged off. Some of the same stuff Nul Hulk walked through during his fight with the Vampire Nation.
As for the rest are you really sitting there acting like Nul Hulk couldn't have destroyed the planet if he wanted to... He could have he just didn't, know why because if he did he would have destroyed his Master's fear supply.
Also that generally happens all the time when someone fights on Earth. Look at the Silver Surfer his fights have casually destroyed planets and opened up Black Holes. Why doesn't that always happen in his big fights because then there wouldn't be an earth left.
Look at Beta Ray Bill he has destroyed planets and fought much more powerful people then anything WBH did in his arc yet when it comes to earth Bill isn't casually destroyed planets.
Your logic is flawed.
This post is nothing but excuses. You are asking to show you WBH ripping adamantium but when I ask you to show me Nul doing anything planetary, you bring up plot. Lol.
WWH halted Juggernaut forward momentum to the point that Juggernaut was struggling to even budge him a bit. War Hulk was amped off of Celestial tech and got pushed across a country by Juggernaut. Amp doesnt always equal superiority.
Hulk was in a mind battle with Strange when he was getting hit by adamantium bullets, there is no telling where his durability was since he wasn't in a Rage state due to him focusing on Strange during astral battle and let's not ignore what has damaged Nul. Spider Woman, Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, some Wendigos, low class vampires. WWH is above him.
Beta Ray Bill destroyed a planetoid and what does that have to do with Nul not tanking high Herald attacks like WBH or WWH did? What does that have to do with Nul being damaged by Spider Woman but WWH laughing off more powerful attacks?
Stop making excuses. I could completely destroy you with your assumption of Savage Hulk>WWH. It would be too easy.
Originally posted by carver9How big a blast was that exactly? I'm doubting it went above a city level.
Now let's see what type of punches WWH can take...lol. Rulk absorbs so much of WWH power that he starts glowing...hell, he absorb so much of Hulk power that he is capable of punching Hulk so hard that it creates a Nuclear explosion.http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/8339/hulk2401718.jpg
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6448/hulk24019.jpgHulk tanker that sh** and didn't suffer near the damage Nul suffered against some Metas and the beauty of it is, he wasn't even phased by this attack by reading his words.
But let's also look at WWH taking on Iron Man, Iron Man managed to make him bleed so did a number of other heroes during their fights.
Here we have WBH powering through a high Herald attack.
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Here we have WBHulk powering through an amped High Herald attack.
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Here we have WBH and she Rulk punching at each other melting Heralds, Mindless ones, trolls, destroying planets and again, they are just swinging their fist.
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Here we have him withstanding an amped Fing Fang powers.
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Here we have some elites attacking him and being incapable of even moving him out of his spot let alone get his attention.
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Would you like for me to post what happened to Nul when he was put in the same situations.? I don't mind..lol.
Originally posted by Newjak
How big a blast was that exactly? I'm doubting it went above a city level.But let's also look at WWH taking on Iron Man, Iron Man managed to make him bleed so did a number of other heroes during their fights.
Looked about the same size as that blast that Osborn and Vector and the crew hit Thor with during the Void saga. If a punch can create an explosion, that's a hell of a ft and Hulk tanked it.
Making Hulk bleed isn't the issue and by the way, Ironman was amped when he faced WWH. That wasn't the regular Tony suit and did you see the fight? The shockwaves alone from Ironman and Hulk fight was destroying the city...hell, it was causing Earth Quakes outside of the city.
Originally posted by carver9Yawn slowing Juggernaut down is not the same as stopping him as we still clearly see WWH being pushed back. Thor has done better then what WWH did.
This post is nothing but excuses. You are asking to show you WBH ripping adamantium but when I ask you to show me Nul doing anything planetary, you bring up plot. Lol.WWH halted Juggernaut forward momentum to the point that Juggernaut was struggling to even budge him a bit. War Hulk was amped off of Celestial tech and got pushed across a country by Juggernaut. Amp doesnt always equal superiority.
Hulk was in a mind battle with Strange when he was getting hit by adamantium bullets, there is no telling where his durability was since he wasn't in a Rage state due to him focusing on Strange during astral battle and let's not ignore what has damaged Nul. Spider Woman, Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, some Wendigos, low class vampires. WWH is above him.
Beta Ray Bill destroyed a planetoid and what does that have to do with Nul not tanking high Herald attacks like WBH or WWH did? What does that have to do with Nul being damaged by Spider Woman but WWH laughing off more powerful attacks?
Stop making excuses. I could completely destroy you with your assumption of Savage Hulk>WWH. It would be too easy.
WWH also got hurt by a lot of other things as well.
And I'm not making excuses, I just gave you reasons why Nul didn't destroy planet Earth was all which are valid reasons considering his mission.
I've showned how other High Heralds fared against the Worthy. Silver Surfer landed a dud against Attume, Juggernaut was only able to beat Worth Kul because he used his own energy against him. And those same High Heralds like Silver Surfer have already done things like what WBH has done.
And I'm not saying Savage Hulk > then WWH.
I'm mostly bringing this up because you assume Nul is weaker than any version of the other Hulks based solely on your opinion and the fact you want to use it as a confirmation on your stances.
Like if Nul can break Adamantium then obviously a 'stronger' version will do it as well.
But I am saying Nul > Savage Hulk
I am saying Nul > WWH
Would I say > then WBH possibly not but still the fact is you only want Nul to be weaker because then you can continue to go on with your round about logic with Nul.
The fact is Hulk was amped and was one of the more powerful versions of Hulk right up there with the top in that bout. To assume otherwise is asinine considering the other amps the Hammers gave out. It made Attuma able to beat silver Surfer.
Hell Worthy Kuul was able to hurt Juggernaut more than WWH was, mostly do to magic, but the statement still stands.
The fact is you are lowballing Nul because you want it to be so because then it makes your argument valid, but your argument isn't Valid.
Nul was a WWH given a magic hammer that amped everyone it was given to this includes other poweful people like Absrobing Man and Juggernuat. So your foundations are baseless when it comes to using Nul's feats interchangeably with other Hulk versions, or as a baseline for how other Hulk's would do in a fight against people.
I also see you throwing out the term WBH did this to a High Herald. Well here's an idea instead of saying they are High Herald show me some scans of those guys actually being High Heralds.
Originally posted by Newjak
I already read that post and it pretty much is the samething you always say.And at the end of the day you still can't show a scan of WBH Hulk destroying admantium.
Secondly there is one flat out lie in your statement. WWH Hulk never stopped Juggernaut's forward momentum only managed to redirect it somewhat even though in the scans he is still clearly getting pushed back if you look at his feet. Heck the only way Hulk manages to get rid of Cain is to move out of the way so that Cain BFRed himself.
And WWH got tore up by a lot of things like Adamantium bullets. Heck during the WWH stuff he was getting hurt by things Savage Hulk has shrugged off. Some of the same stuff Nul Hulk walked through during his fight with the Vampire Nation.
As for the rest are you really sitting there acting like Nul Hulk couldn't have destroyed the planet if he wanted to... He could have he just didn't, know why because if he did he would have destroyed his Master's fear supply.
Also that generally happens all the time when someone fights on Earth. Look at the Silver Surfer his fights have casually destroyed planets and opened up Black Holes. Why doesn't that always happen in his big fights because then there wouldn't be an earth left.
Look at Beta Ray Bill he has destroyed planets and fought much more powerful people then anything WBH did in his arc yet when it comes to earth Bill isn't casually destroyed planets.
Your logic is flawed.
Actually, it has to be said that the logic you are using to approach this is atrocious. Adamantium has been damaged by characters demonstrably weaker than WBH, i.e Thor, savage hulk etc. Trying to use it as some sort of all be end all feat in order assert Nuls superiority is just ludicrous.
Furthermore attempting to draw a parralell between what WBH did and what Silver surfer has done or Beta ray bill has done is completely faulty as they are not the same at all. A planet was destroyed in Silver surfers fight against Morg due to their combined energy output which made contact with and engulfed the planet causing it to explode. That is astronomically different from what happened in IH 634, where it was the shockwave of the concussive impact that occurred thousands of feat in the air without making contact with anything that wrecked the planet as well as Armcheddon, an amped Fing Fang foom, Bi beast, Wendigo, and the entire race of mindless ones. The implications are very different due to one being an energy attack with the other being physical as well the two different ways in which they were accomplished. The same goes for Beta ray bill who destroyed a planet by bashing it with an energy amped hammer strike. Destroying a planet is impressive.. However Destroying a planet, and eviscerating class 100 level characters without even touching it or them is much much much more so.
Methods of execution here are extremely important, and so trying to lump WBH feat in there with vastly inferior feats in an effort to big up Nul, who is quite frankly not even in the same ball park as WBH strengthwise is rather disengenuous.
Originally posted by Naija boyI was more less using the adamantium feat a kind of play around with carver since he was asking for world breaking feats from Nul.
Actually, it has to be said that the logic you are using to approach this is atrocious. Adamantium has been damaged by characters demonstrably weaker than WBH, i.e Thor, savage hulk etc. Trying to use it as some sort of all be end all feat in order assert Nuls superiority is just ludicrous.Furthermore attempting to draw a parralell between what WBH did and what Silver surfer has done or Beta ray bill has done is completely faulty as they are not the same at all. A planet was destroyed in Silver surfers fight against Morg due to their combined energy output which made contact with and engulfed the planet causing it to explode. That is astronomically different from what happened in IH 634, where it was the shockwave of the concussive impact that occurred thousands of feat in the air without making contact with anything that wrecked the planet as well as Armcheddon, an amped Fing Fang foom, Bi beast, Wendigo, and the entire race of mindless ones. The implications are very different due to one being an energy attack with the other being physical as well the two different ways in which they were accomplished. The same goes for Beta ray bill who destroyed a planet by bashing it with an energy amped hammer strike. Destroying a planet is impressive.. However Destroying a planet, and eviscerating class 100 level characters without even touching it or them is much much much more so.
As for the rest I point to Surfers fight with Red Shift that created a black whole which is way better than WBH.
I was also referring to Silver Surfer's fight with Ravenous where he destroyed an entire planet by himself as a side effect of him attacking Ravenous.
Originally posted by Newjak
I was more less using the adamantium feat a kind of play around with carver since he was asking for world breaking feats from Nul.As for the rest I point to Surfers fight with Red Shift that created a black whole which is way better than WBH.
I was also referring to Silver Surfer's fight with Ravenous where he destroyed an entire planet by himself as a side effect of him attacking Ravenous.
....Surfers fight with Red shift didnt create a blackhole....It was his blast on airwalker that did at the beginning of annihilation. Still while i certainly dont mind extolling the wonders of Surfers energy output, that was a blast/energy output feat and thus accomplished via a very different medium from WBH physical strength and so not particularly relevant to this.
Against ravenous, Surfers blast also literally engulfed and made direct contact with the planet. And so while undoubtedly impressive not at all an accurate parallel.
Originally posted by Newjak
Yawn slowing Juggernaut down is not the same as stopping him as we still clearly see WWH being pushed back. Thor has done better then what WWH did.WWH also got hurt by a lot of other things as well.
And I'm not making excuses, I just gave you reasons why Nul didn't destroy planet Earth was all which are valid reasons considering his mission.
I've showned how other High Heralds fared against the Worthy. Silver Surfer landed a dud against Attume, Juggernaut was only able to beat Worth Kul because he used his own energy against him. And those same High Heralds like Silver Surfer have already done things like what WBH has done.
And I'm not saying Savage Hulk > then WWH.
I'm mostly bringing this up because you assume Nul is weaker than any version of the other Hulks based solely on your opinion and the fact you want to use it as a confirmation on your stances.
Like if Nul can break Adamantium then obviously a 'stronger' version will do it as well.
But I am saying Nul > Savage Hulk
I am saying Nul > WWH
Would I say > then WBH possibly not but still the fact is you only want Nul to be weaker because then you can continue to go on with your round about logic with Nul.
The fact is Hulk was amped and was one of the more powerful versions of Hulk right up there with the top in that bout. To assume otherwise is asinine considering the other amps the Hammers gave out. It made Attuma able to beat silver Surfer.
Hell Worthy Kuul was able to hurt Juggernaut more than WWH was, mostly do to magic, but the statement still stands.
The fact is you are lowballing Nul because you want it to be so because then it makes your argument valid, but your argument isn't Valid.
Nul was a WWH given a magic hammer that amped everyone it was given to this includes other poweful people like Absrobing Man and Juggernuat. So your foundations are baseless when it comes to using Nul's feats interchangeably with other Hulk versions, or as a baseline for how other Hulk's would do in a fight against people.
I also see you throwing out the term WBH did this to a High Herald. Well here's an idea instead of saying they are High Herald show me some scans of those guys actually being High Heralds.
Uuummm, Armageddon defeated both Merge Hulk and Silver Surfer. That alone puts him in the Elite tier bracket. He even mentions this during his fight against the Hulk.
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Just because Hulk is amped doesn't put him above all Hulks, especially Hulks that have superior showings than Nul. Mindless Hulk is an amped Hulk, War Hulk is an amped Hulk, Merge Hulk is an amped Hulk, Maestro is an amped Hulk...giving Hulk a hammer doesn't automatically increase his strength to levels above these Hulks. You might have an argument about versatility but that's about it. You are completely ignoring Nul showings...basically clinging to titles or "what you think.happened". Show me some fts. Morlun has ripped Adamantium but WWH would outright MERK him.
Originally posted by carver9So you agree with the his power fluctuates which undermines your entire position.
You are not making sense. It's no such thing as before and after with Hulk since his powers fluctuates.
WW Hulk being more than all Hulk's previous has nothing to do with future Hulks. You can't get around it.
Originally posted by DeadlineWhy would you as there is a clear difference.
^ You're not going to look at WWH and WBH feats as a whole?
Originally posted by carver9Arm defeated Surfer with Surfer's own power.
Uuummm, Armageddon defeated both Merge Hulk and Silver Surfer. That alone puts him in the Elite tier bracket. He even mentions this during his fight against the Hulk.http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094165/Incredible_Hulks_632_015.jpg.html
Just because Hulk is amped doesn't put him above all Hulks, especially Hulks that have superior showings than Nul. Mindless Hulk is an amped Hulk, War Hulk is an amped Hulk, Merge Hulk is an amped Hulk, Maestro is an amped Hulk...giving Hulk a hammer doesn't automatically increase his strength to levels above these Hulks. You might have an argument about versatility but that's about it. You are completely ignoring Nul showings...basically clinging to titles or "what you think.happened". Show me some fts. Morlun has ripped Adamantium but WWH would outright MERK him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you agree with the his power fluctuates which undermines your entire position.WW Hulk being more than all Hulk's previous has nothing to do with future Hulks. You can't get around it.
Why would you as there is a clear difference. Arm defeated Surfer with Surfer's own power.
I sure do agree.
I don't understand your second comment and I truly don't want to understand it.
Thats Armageddon powers...to use your powers against you. Why ignore his capabilities when its what he does? That's like me saying Wolverine can't use his claws in battle even though they are a part of him. Armageddon first attack on the Surfer was an energy attack from within him (and it damaged Surfer) and then he used Surfer cosmic power against him.
