Thor vs WBH, Thing, She Hulk, Sasquatch, Korg

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm not even sure what you're getting at here?

I know how fast bullets are, both in reality and in comic books, and I know Hulk can move faster than that. I also know Thor can and has reacted at speeds similar if not greater than that as well. Mjolnir makes bullet speed look like canine excrement for lack of a better word and Thor doesn't even really have to aim so much as he has to focus and will it to strike a particular target. If you're arguing that Hulk is going to move faster than Thor can hope to react, we're going to have to strongly disagree with one another.

As far as the rest of the team goes, they're largely inconsequential due to their lack of ranged capabilities and mobility as opposed to Thor or even the Hulk.

As far as your hypothetical scenario goes:

1. After the voice says battle, Thor uses Mjolnir to BFR Hulk instantly.

2. Hulk is transported to another place on Marvel Earth or in space or in some other dimension, virtually stranded until Thor decides to bring him back, if he evers.

3. Thor invokes planetary level storm to decimate the team.

You're essentially arguing Hulk's speed and mobility versus Thor's own and against his ability to instantly target a foe or foes and teleport them to wherever he sees fit, regardless of their resistance. It's not a good fight for Hulk.

If this was typical Thor fighting in character, you might have a point.

Sure you know what I'm getting at. I explained the entire real time scenario to you.

It's not the hammer reactions that are in question, but Thor's reactions. He would not be able to do all of these things that PIS allows him to do in comics. The Hulk would be all over him before he could do any of the above. in fact the Hulk moves so many times faster than a bullet when leaping that Thor would not be able to react in time aside from bracing for impact, as seen in his battle with Tutinax. or he would have dodged him, and BFR's him. This did not happen because Thor is not what you are trying to make him out to be, nor is he impossible to hit.

1. No Thor does not instantly BFR the Hulk, he braces for impact, because he simply did not have the time to think of this. CIS on or off.

2. Thor is being brought down planet side, where HOTM pummels him into jelly.

3. No the team is hurled away by the impacts that are turning Thor into jelly and tofu.

No I am saying that Thor immediately sees a team and has to assess what measures must be taken to win. This is all of the time that it took for the Hulk to reach him and beat the life out of him. In the arctic a much weaker Hulk gave Thor hell, and Thor was not able to win that battle. WB Hulk is so much more powerful, durable, and faster than the Merged Hulk that it is ridiculous, and WB Hulk that we saw during the HOTM arc still did not reach a limit to the amount of power that he could attain. Thor get's dusted here. Typical Thor or Thor going for broke would still lose, because his thought processes are not computer like, he does not possess a tactical PC in his head like Nova telling him to brace for impact, or throw up your shields. He does not have the Flash's reaction speed, or Spiderman's danger sense. He can be hit, and has been hit in the past, and would be hit by a guy that can reach him faster than you touch your arm.

BOOM The Hulk is already on Thor. What does Thor do?

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Even if Hulk grabs Thor, it's not like he's going to one shot him. All Thor has to do is knock him back once and then BFR is an option again.

When Thor hit Tutinax with all of his might, did Tutinax get launched 100 miles away or did he continue to assault Thor a moment later? Tutinax is much weaker than WB Hulk.

Tutinax is weaker then WWH.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It takes less time for Thor to bfr the Hulk before it takes the Hulk to close the distance to get to him. Don't be mad. Thor usually fights to the the Hulk's strengths and still doesn't falter.

Don't be daft. We both know how fast a bullet travels. and the Hulk moves far faster than this. Also don't dictate my mood.

Originally posted by Stoic
Don't be daft. We both know how fast a bullet travels. and the Hulk moves far faster than this. Also don't dictate my mood.

Originally posted by Stoic
Sure you know what I'm getting at. I explained the entire real time scenario to you.

It's not the hammer reactions that are in question, but Thor's reactions. He would not be able to do all of these things that PIS allows him to do in comics. The Hulk would be all over him before he could do any of the above. in fact the Hulk moves so many times faster than a bullet when leaping that Thor would not be able to react in time aside from bracing for impact, as seen in his battle with Tutinax. or he would have dodged him, and BFR's him. This did not happen because Thor is not what you are trying to make him out to be, nor is he impossible to hit.

1. No Thor does not instantly BFR the Hulk, he braces for impact, because he simply did not have the time to think of this. CIS on or off.

2. Thor is being brought down planet side, where HOTM pummels him into jelly.

3. No the team is hurled away by the impacts that are turning Thor into jelly and tofu.

No I am saying that Thor immediately sees a team and has to assess what measures must be taken to win. This is all of the time that it took for the Hulk to reach him and beat the life out of him. In the arctic a much weaker Hulk gave Thor hell, and Thor was not able to win that battle. WB Hulk is so much more powerful, durable, and faster than the Merged Hulk that it is ridiculous, and WB Hulk that we saw during the HOTM arc still did not reach a limit to the amount of power that he could attain. Thor get's dusted here. Typical Thor or Thor going for broke would still lose, because his thought processes are not computer like, he does not possess a tactical PC in his head like Nova telling him to brace for impact, or throw up your shields. He does not have the Flash's reaction speed, or Spiderman's danger sense. He can be hit, and has been hit in the past, and would be hit by a guy that can reach him faster than you touch your arm.

BOOM The Hulk is already on Thor. What does Thor do?

When Thor hit Tutinax with all of his might, did Tutinax get launched 100 miles away or did he continue to assault Thor a moment later? Tutinax is much weaker than WB Hulk.

So, basically, you're arguing that Thor's displays of speed and reflexes and skill don't count. Even though on panel he's reacted to instant telepathic bolts, tagged beings such as Gladiator and Silver Surfer, reacted in the span of milliseconds, dodged a possessed Mjolnir toss intended to strike him across the back of the head, and like Hulk, has moved or reacted faster than a bullet?

And in the same breath, you're clinging to Tutinex being the be-all end-all display of how a fight between CIS-off Thor vs. WBH and his pals would go? I wasn't aware that single fights instantly dictate a character's abilities and capabilities as opposed to their entire decades long history.

I'm not arguing Thor is too fast to be hit or is untouchable. I already said he's not. What I am arguing is that, per the OP, Thor has tools at his disposal that Hulk has no answer for. And yes, Thor can instantly BFR Hulk faster than Hulk can leap at him and attempt to pummel him into submission. Feats support this as a whole, but if you want to stick with Thor vs. Tutinex as the clear cut and defined example of how this fight would go, by all means. Doesn't make a lick of sense, but whatever.

You're telling me Hulk thinks "Jump at Thor and hit him" and acts on it faster than Thor thinks "BFR Hulk instantly"? Wasn't aware Hulk was the "Fastest One There Is", too.

It's also funny how you cite Thor not sending Tutinex hundreds of miles away with a strike as means that he wouldn't do the same to WBH - even though I'm arguing he literally teleports him to God knows where in an instant - but choose not to bring up Thor one shot orbiting Nul-Hulk.

Again, and hopefully for the last time:

If this was a typical Thor fighting Hulk in character, you might have a point. But per the OP, it's not. The sooner you accept this, the sooner we can all move on.

A bullet travels at 2 057.98139 miles per hour x 1000 = 2,057,980 mile per hour. This is pretty fast. Is it impossible for the Hulk to reach Thor?

Originally posted by Stoic
A bullet travels at 2 057.98139 miles per hour x 1000 = 2,057,980 mile per hour. This is pretty fast. Is it impossible for the Hulk to reach Thor?

Originally posted by Stoic
A bullet travels at 2 057.98139 miles per hour x 1000 = 2,057,980 mile per hour. This is pretty fast. Is it impossible for the Hulk to reach Thor?

It's not impossible for Hulk to reach Thor.

Thor can also instantly BFR, as in forcibly teleport the Hulk, anywhere in the Nine Realms or beyond he chooses.

Given Thor's own speed and reflex feats and the speed in which Mjolnir's various powers can be enacted, I do find Hulk reaching Thor before he gets teleported away highly improbable.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So, basically, you're arguing that Thor's displays of speed and reflexes and skill don't count. Even though on panel he's reacted to instant telepathic bolts, tagged beings such as Gladiator and Silver Surfer, reacted in the span of milliseconds, dodged a possessed Mjolnir toss intended to strike him across the back of the head, and like Hulk, has moved or reacted faster than a bullet?

And in the same breath, you're clinging to Tutinex being the be-all end-all display of how a fight between CIS-off Thor vs. WBH and his pals would go? I wasn't aware that single fights instantly dictate a character's abilities and capabilities as opposed to their entire decades long history.

I'm not arguing Thor is too fast to be hit or is untouchable. I already said he's not. What I am arguing is that, per the OP, Thor has tools at his disposal that Hulk has no answer for. And yes, Thor can instantly BFR Hulk faster than Hulk can leap at him and attempt to pummel him into submission. Feats support this as a whole, but if you want to stick with Thor vs. Tutinex as the clear cut and defined example of how this fight would go, by all means. Doesn't make a lick of sense, but whatever.

You're telling me Hulk thinks "Jump at Thor and hit him" and acts on it faster than Thor thinks "BFR Hulk instantly"? Wasn't aware Hulk was the "Fastest One There Is", too.

It's also funny how you cite Thor not sending Tutinex hundreds of miles away with a strike as means that he wouldn't do the same to WBH - even though I'm arguing he literally teleports him to God knows where in an instant - but choose not to bring up Thor one shot orbiting Nul-Hulk.

Again, and hopefully for the last time:

If this was a typical Thor fighting Hulk in character, you might have a point. But per the OP, it's not. The sooner you accept this, the sooner we can all move on.

Tutinex fought and defeated Thor two times, giving me the impression that he is most certainly on the level. if Thor would have come back in the next fight and beat him down like a rag i would say that Thor was above him physically but this was not the case.

So this is what I am saying. If the Hulk reaches Thor it is over. This is based on his past performances against a far weaker Hulk. If Thor can BFR the Hulk before this time then he would go on to likely win this.

However A bullet travels at 2 057.98139 miles per hour x 1000 = 2,057,980 mile per hour. This is pretty fast. Is it impossible for the Hulk to reach Thor? The Hulk has a very good chance of reaching Thor, and turning this into a beat down. Thor would not win this if WB Hulk turned this into a physical match. based on past performances.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor has far greater reaction feats than bullets which he easily shows he can react to. You really need someone else to argue or make your points for you because this hasn't gotten quite ridiculous.

You don't add anything to a debate, you just attempt to negate things, and try to make people believe that certain things are impossible. This is why Jake is really the only one worth debating this issue, because he can be objective, and see that there are possibilities. You on the other hand, have an ego problem, and for you it's just about the win, even if your argument holds no weight. Which it does not.

I'm still not sure why you're so intent on focusing on Tutinex so much. Thor's entire history speaks for itself, not just one fight. If that were the case, I'd cite Thor's battling of Infinity aka Insane Odin or something else.

CIS off Thor using his most powerful abilities at the start of the fight is completely different than the Thor we typically see in comics. The OP changes the game significantly.

Originally posted by Stoic
You don't add anything to a debate, you just attempt to negate things, and try to make people believe that certain things are impossible. This is why Jake is really the only one worth debating this issue, because he can be objective, and see that there are possibilities. You on the other hand, have an ego problem, and for you it's just about the win, even if your argument holds no weight. Which it does not.

Hulk doesn't touch him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You don't have enough knowledge about either character to really know. You like the Hulk. I also enjoy both the Hulk and Thor but in a thread in which Thor can bfr him with a simple movement there's nothing the Hulk can do. You are also basing it off a a few recent fights while dismissing Thor's entire history mainly because you have no idea.

Hulk doesn't touch him.

Whatever Grognak, go troll someone else, I simply refuse to debate with people of your limited reasoning abilities.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm still not sure why you're so intent on focusing on Tutinex so much. Thor's entire history speaks for itself, not just one fight. If that were the case, I'd cite Thor's battling of Infinity aka Insane Odin or something else.

CIS off Thor using his most powerful abilities at the start of the fight is completely different than the Thor we typically see in comics. The OP changes the game significantly.

Tutinex is recent. This is why I am pressing the issue, as he weighed Thor on a physical level. We saw what Thor could do against him.

This as you can imagine could be argued until we broke our fingers off. I believe that the answer to this battle without stretching it into a 4 million page yawn is this.

1. If HOTM Hulk possibly reached Thor, that a physical confrontation favors the Hulk based on Thor's past performances against a far weaker Hulk.

2. If Thor BFR's the Hulk, he would go on to defeat the rest of the field, and come out the winner of this.

Would you agree with this assessment?

Originally posted by Stoic
Whatever Grognak, go troll someone else, I simply refuse to debate with people of your limited reasoning abilities.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't a retort I had a few key points in there which you refuse to address. You can't base Thor's entire history off a few fights with Tutinax. You will continue to do so while proclaiming the Hulk JUMPS. HULK JUMPS. What is Thor going to do when he's mesmerized by Hulk's vertical. Get a serious argument.

lol...........

quan speaks the truth though, your argument isnt really good stoic

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't a retort I had a few key points in there which you refuse to address. You can't base Thor's entire history off a few fights with Tutinax. You will continue to do so while proclaiming the Hulk JUMPS. HULK JUMPS. What is Thor going to do when he's mesmerized by Hulk's vertical. Get a serious argument.

If you are incapable of realizing how fast the Hulk's first move is then there is simply nothing to debate with you. Your points as you are trying to press are full of sh1t. They have not addresses the speed at which the Hulk would reach Thor, and the possibility of him making this physical, which has a high probability of actually happening. i don't have to switch my stance, because this is the tactic that the Hulk would use to reach Thor. These are the only two possible scenarios that would happen within the first few seconds of the fight. Read below.

Originally posted by Stoic
Tutinex is recent. This is why I am pressing the issue, as he weighed Thor on a physical level. We saw what Thor could do against him.

This as you can imagine could be argued until we broke our fingers off. I believe that the answer to this battle without stretching it into a 4 million page yawn is this.

1. If HOTM Hulk possibly reached Thor, that a physical confrontation favors the Hulk based on Thor's past performances against a far weaker Hulk.

2. If Thor BFR's the Hulk, he would go on to defeat the rest of the field, and come out the winner of this.

Would you agree with this assessment?

Originally posted by Stoic
If you are incapable of realizing how fast the Hulk's first move is then there is simply nothing to debate with you. Your points as you are trying to press are full of sh1t. They have not addresses the speed at which the Hulk would reach Thor, and the possibility of him making this physical, which has a high probability of actually happening. i don't have to switch my stance, because this is the tactic that the Hulk would use to reach Thor. These are the only two possible scenarios that would happen within the first few seconds of the fight. Read below.

Ok, if you won't listen to me listen to someone else.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol...........

quan speaks the truth though, your argument isnt really good stoic

If WBHulk was able to grab Thor, he wouldnt really need more than one direct punch to end the fight. Problem is Thor can BFR hulk faster and Hulk really has no defense against it. Thor can take out the rest of the team fairly easily so Thor wins.

Originally posted by Naija boy
If WBHulk was able to grab Thor, he wouldnt really need more than one direct punch to end the fight. Problem is Thor can BFR hulk faster and Hulk really has no defense against it. Thor can take out the rest of the team fairly easily so Thor wins.

I agree 100% with this. This is Thor fight to win. Hulk is the main target...bfr him and the rest gets stomped. Even though Thor fight crazy sometimes, I wouldn't consider him stupid. Thor seeing green radition flying off Hulks body, killing his comrades would automatically make him realize this is a hulk he needs to stay far away from and a Hulk that he doesn't want to get punched by either. Common sense would make him realize that bfring is the best option and for anyone to think Thor doesn't have this is lowballing the character.

Thor wins this 10/10.