Originally posted by Horrificus
Surfer's Power Cosmic is an aspect of his base power profile. It isn't the result of a recent storyline,or ongoing direct action from an outside party.
Yes it is, his power cosmic is a direct action of Galactus (an "outside party) giving it to him.
Galactus does not power the Silver Surfer. He granted him the power and the means to access the power. It does not flow from the direct involvement of Galactus.
Galactus gave him the Power Cosmic. It is his.
The immortality of Thanos is not due to any part of him or his power profile. It is simply an ongoing action of Death.
If Death had done something to Thanos, where he could not die and it was no longer due to any action from Death, that might be a different story. Because, then it would become an aspect of Thanos.
But, actually, his immortality has nothing to do with him or his powers.
Somebody is forcing him to live. Which is fine, but it still is not a power or ability belonging to Thanos.
If a person is arguing for Thanos and pumping the immortality issue, I just want to make clear exactly what that means.
Currently, you will see 2 different thread-types for Colossus. One seems to be for "True Colossus" and the other is for "Colossunaut", or whatever it has evolved into. This is because, currently, a story arc has an upgrade in Piotr's power profile, from an outside entity and is obviously not a permanent physiological, genetic or mental change in the character.
I'm just stating that the same could/should be done with Thanos.
According to you if an abstract grants a character a "power" it doesn't count and we should suspend it in forum battles... No thanks.
Originally posted by Gecko4lifYeah, but it gave Drax so much confidence! Which, was the real goal Thanos had in mind when he let Drax think he killed him.
Thats makes drax killing him kinda awkward
It's just the kind of guy Thanos is. 😉
But, at the least, Thanos was dead long enough for he and Death to do the "Hibbidy Jibbidy", and conceive that little bundle of joy, the Rot.
😄
Originally posted by vince_sliceWhoa!! Hold on there Tiger!
Yes it is, his power cosmic is a direct action of Galactus (an "outside party) giving it to him.And Death didn't simply grant Thanos immortality when she made him her avatar?
Death granted Thanos immortality, it is his.
Ongoing action? You and I aren't reading the same comic. When Thanos was atomized into a skeleton and regenerated there was no sign of Death "acting" on Thanos. It was simply an ability granted to him by her.
Death did do something to Thanos, she granted him immortality as her avatar, and as long as Thanos is her avatar, immortality becomes an aspect of Thanos.
Show me a scan of Death forcing Thanos to live. Do you have one of Death giving Thanos CPR?
Immortality is a power bestowed upon an avatar of Death, it's still a power.
It doesn't matter; we use current characters and whatever powers they currently have, unless otherwise stated. If Colossus is currently powered by Cytrorak then he gets that power in forum battles.
According to you if an abstract grants a character a "power" it doesn't count and we should suspend it in forum battles... No thanks.
Did ya happen to read any of this:
"I'm just stating that the same could/should be done with Thanos.
Differentiating between "True Thanos" and "Deathless Thanos" might be an option."
Or, are ya just ranting?
And...
No, Galactus is not feeding power to the Surfer.
And, the what and why of Thanos' immortality depends upon which story arc we are discussing.
Is it the one where he is BANNED from Death?
Or, is it the one where he is immortal as a gift from Death?
Honestly, I don't care enough to go setting them up for you.
All I know, is that it is not a part of his normal powerset and, as I stated above, a person starting a Thanos thread might want to differentiate between the 2.
Originally posted by Horrificus
According to you if an abstract grants a character a "power" it doesn't count and we should suspend it in forum battles... No thanks. Whoa!! Hold on there Tiger!Did ya happen to read any of this:
"I'm just stating that the same could/should be done with Thanos.
Differentiating between "True Thanos" and "Deathless Thanos" might be an option."
Or, are ya just ranting?
And...No, Galactus is not feeding power to the Surfer.
And, the what and why of Thanos' immortality depends upon which story arc we are discussing.
Is it the one where he is BANNED from Death?
Or, is it the one where he is immortal as a gift from Death?
Honestly, I don't care enough to go setting them up for you.Forums rules dictate that if a specific version of a character isn't mentioned by the thread starter, we assume that it's the most current version. The most current version of Thanos is from TI. I thought you knew this?
All I know, is that it is not a part of his normal powerset and, as I stated above, a person starting a Thanos thread might want to differentiate between the 2.
Originally posted by vince_sliceYou have taken my posts and twisted them into something idiotic.
The statement bolded was me summarizing your main point, which was obviously ludicrous.Never said he fed Surfer powers. I said he granted Surfer his power cosmic, just like Death granted Thanos immortality.
We're obviously talking about the most current version, TI Thanos, and this Thanos was granted immortality by Death as her avatar.
Forums rules dictate that if a specific version of a character isn't mentioned by the thread starter, we assume that it's the most current version. The most current version of Thanos is from TI. I thought you knew this?
Your summation of MY main point is incorrect as you attempt to jab at me with your small, flaccid, unhealthy jibe.
I made sure, the second time, that my main point was in bold and underlined. Yet, you still miss it, while trying to seem knowledgeable.
I am somewhat acquainted with the forum rules, thank you.
On that note...
Current Thanos-
The OTHER detail I brought into question, was the fact that immortality for Thanos, is not a power or attribute. It is just a matter of Death refusing to allow Thanos to die.
Now, if you want to debate that issue, I will wake up tomorrow, rested and fresh and see what I can dig up to argue my opinion. Maybe I will win, maybe I will lose.
But, this issue is simply about thread description-
Let's go back full circle: Regardless of the source and definition behind Thanos' immortality, the fact that he cannot die, unless his opponent also takes out Lady Death, might be an important component of the thread description. Especially if it is going to remain the ongoing fail-safe for most pro-Thanos arguments.
Why you are squabbling with me about this, I have no idea.
Originally posted by Horrificus
The OTHER detail I brought into question, was the fact that immortality for Thanos, is not a power or attribute. It is just a matter of Death refusing to allow Thanos to die.Now, if you want to debate that issue, I will wake up tomorrow, rested and fresh and see what I can dig up to argue my opinion. Maybe I will win, maybe I will lose.
MANTIS: "Peter, when Thanos was recreated in a cocoon, he must have been invested with an indestructible form. He is immune to death.
THANOS: "I can...I can never return to the side of my true love. She...She must have known. She must have known this would happen when she reforged me and sent me back towards life's light"
So according to Mantis and Thanos, when Thanos was being recreated in his cocoon in GOTG, Death "reforged" him and with an "indestructible form" so that he was "immune to death". In other words, Death litterally recreated Thanos' form to be immortal when he was resurrected. So yes, Thanos' immortality is an "attribute" that was granted by Death. Not her actively resurrecting him to keeping him alive or something.
Scan below:
http://i44.tinypic.com/50i9fb.jpg
Originally posted by HorrificusWe use CURRENT VERSIONS on this forum. CURRENTLY, Thanos is beyond death. Period. Anybody not specificing the exclusion of this fact from his current version or specificing an older version can do so. If not, sorry we'll stick to our forum rules and current versions of characters.
Um, yeah. Your posts are beyond my comprehension. 🙄My point was, using your examples to prove the power-level of Cancerverse characters was flawed. I'm not sure about Cancerverse Quasar, but Cthulhu-Mar-Vell and the Galactus Engine were not "base characters" that could be effectively compared to their 616 counterparts.
It is like comparing 616-Cypher against Cancerverse-Cypher in Destroyer armor.
And, as I stated, immortality is not one of Thanos' powers. In essence, an opponent would also have to overcome Death, in order to slay Thanos.
My Silver Surfer/Galactus analogy is correct.
Originally posted by vince_slice
Thanos regenerated from being a skeleton:an indestructible form.
First of all, we know he is not indestructible. "Indestructible" would imply that he is immune to harm. I guess Mantis was wrong.
Originally posted by vince_slice
THANOS: "I can...I can never return to the side of my true love. She...She must have known. She must have known this would happen
This does not sound like an "attribute" that was given by Death.
Are you sure you want to stick with that stance?
And, Thanos certainly does not seem to feel that it is.
But, for now, I will concede the point of Death ACTIVELY keeping him out of her realm. Although, the statements by Mantis definitely seem shaky at best.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiListen clowny, you might want to go back and re-read my posts before you go piggy-backing on somebody else that ALSO wasn't reading my posts before they replied.
We use CURRENT VERSIONS on this forum. CURRENTLY, Thanos is beyond death. Period. Anybody not specificing the exclusion of this fact from his current version or specificing an older version can do so. If not, sorry we'll stick to our forum rules and current versions of characters.
Re-posting forum rules to somebody that has been an active member for several years is an obvious attempt to insult. A weak attempt, but obvious nonetheless.
Reel it in.
I will clarify my points one last time, for those members whom refuse to actually read the posts of opposition, yet do not feel that this should keep them from responding as if they had:
1. I had posed the position that the "immortality" of Thanos was not an attribute or power. Instead, I stated that it was a result of ongoing action directly from Death, keeping him away from her.
and
2. Due to the fact that Thanos cannot actually die in a forum battle, since this "immortality" is being enforced by Death herself and in order to kill Thanos, Death would also need to be overcome, creators of threads involving Thanos may wish to clarify or tweak the description of these circumstances.
This could include deletion of "immortality", use of Classic Thanos, or dropping death as a "Victory Condition".
I hope this helps those members whom are too busy to read posts, but not too busy to argue against them. 😄
Originally posted by Horrificus
First of all, we know he is not indestructible. "Indestructible" would imply that he is immune to harm. I guess Mantis was wrong.
This does not sound like an "attribute" that was given by Death.
Are you sure you want to stick with that stance?
And, Thanos certainly does not seem to feel that it is.
Yes he does... In the scan he not only agrees with Mantis' statement, but he adds on to it by saying Death "reforged" him to be immortal. Being REFORGED by Death to be immortal sounds like an attribute given to him IMO.
But, for now, I will concede the point of Death ACTIVELY keeping him out of her realm. Although, the statements by Mantis definitely seem shaky at best.
Also Mantis (and Thanos'😉 statements aren't shaky, they're clear as day. According to them when Thanos was being resurrected/recreated in the cocoon, Death "reforged" him with a "form" that was immune to death. Clearly if you're reforged with immortality, its an attribute. Denying Thanos this is just lowballing.
