Thanos Vs Asgard

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why would Surtur defend Asgard? That makes no sense to me. Hela joining forces with them definitely has some historical backing so that's understandable. Still, she obviously won't be part of this story as she hasn't even been mentioned yet as far as I know.

Gaea along with the other All-Mothers are basically substitutes for Odin, if the threat is big enough, they will intervene. We even saw them doing some battling earlier.

Thor is going to be back next issue.

I'm still not sure how this thread has lasted this long without any clarification from the TS, everybody's just wasting their time. If it's just random cannon fodder Asgardian soldiers, Thanos should win, but the moment more powerful citizens are included along with the various items in their armory, his chances begin to drop significantly to the point that this could be a massive spite thread.

Well current Asgard is about to be invaded. Let's see if even half the people they've mentioned above even show up to defend Asgard. My money is on no. Plus I want to wait and see how current Agard will defend itself against the trolls, who will actually show up to fight, and what magical items they'll actually use.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Don't ask me, ask the Darkone. He and others in this thread suggested that Surtur, Hela, Bor, Midgard Serpent, Tiwaz, Beta Ray Bill, Odin's brothers including the Serpent, plus others would all be in current Asgard to defend it.

Well current Asgard is about to be invaded. Let's see if even half the people they've mentioned above even show up to defend Asgard. My money is on no. Plus I want to wait and see how current Agard will defend itself against the trolls, who will actually show up to fight, and what magical items they'll actually use.

I was making the claim that Asgard has a lot magical artifacts, and we dont know what they are capable of, and I was being sarcastic 😉 , but knowing fraction he will do what bendis did and water down Asgard and make them look weaker than they really are.

Op states no Odin or Destroyer but he didn't say Odin force which would go directly to Thor, and Thor will unleashed the full power of the Odin force on Thanos period. But we will have to wait and see as you said, I feel fracton is going f**k Asgard.

Originally posted by the Darkone
I was making the claim that Asgard has a lot magical artifacts, and we dont know what they are capable of, and I was being sarcastic 😉 , but knowing fraction he will do what bendis did and water down Asgard and make them look weaker than they really are.

Op states no Odin or Destroyer but he didn't say Odin force which would go directly to Thor, and Thor will unleashed the full power of the Odin force on Thanos period. But we will have to wait and see as you said, I feel fracton is going f**k Asgard.

Also Odin and the Destroyer are barred from this thread, but that doesn't mean all the Odin force will be automatically transferred to Thor. It just means Odin (and his power) will be watching on the sidelines, not dead.

If the TS doesn't state which Asgard, we use the most current one. If that means using Fraction's Asgard, so be it.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Are you sure you were being sarcastic? You and the others seemed dead serious Surtur, Bor, Midgard serpent, etc showing up to defend current Asgard.

Also Odin and the Destroyer are barred from this thread, but that doesn't mean all the Odin force will be automatically transferred to Thor. It just means Odin (and his power) will be watching on the sidelines, not dead.

If the TS doesn't state which Asgard, we use the most current one. If that means using Fraction's Asgard, so be it.

Bor is dead Midgard Serpent t know, but Kurse is a honorary citizen of Asgard and Tiwaz Bor's Father who is still alive is consider mid sky father level.

^ Well let's see if Tiwaz and Kurse will show up to defend current Asgard from the trolls. My money is in no. What's yours? Yes?

Maybe if this thread stays alive long enough all of the dead and missing people Asgard wants on its side actually WILL have been brought back.

For future reference, let's put an end to this "sword survival" feat. I reread the issues in question and it's completely overstated. The sword didn't kill Death of the Cancerverse directly, it killed Death's avatar or champion in a ritualistic way that caused Death to go down as well. Stabbing an avatar is not as impressive as stabbing an abstract.

Second, the sword did bring Thanos close enough to death that Death of the 616 appeared. That Death then denied Thanos' request to die. Given that Death herself was present the whole time, it is hard to say whether or not Thanos survived on his own power.

So while this isn't a feat, it does kind of work out in Thanos' favor, viz. until Death changes her mind, he is completely unkilable.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Not true at all. Cancerverse Mar-Vell is far more powerful than the 616 one, Cancerverse Galactus is much more powerful too, and Cancerverse Quasar is equal to 616 Quasar.

It's a fallacy to automatically assume alternate characters are weaker than 616 ones.

They turned Big "G" into a friggin' Choo Choo Train!!

Their state has no reflection on the general super-population of the Cancerverse.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
For future reference, let's put an end to this "sword survival" feat. I reread the issues in question and it's completely overstated. The sword didn't kill Death of the Cancerverse directly, it killed Death's avatar or champion in a ritualistic way that caused Death to go down as well. Stabbing an avatar is not as impressive as stabbing an abstract.

Second, the sword did bring Thanos close enough to death that Death of the 616 appeared. That Death then denied Thanos' request to die. Given that Death herself was present the whole time, it is hard to say whether or not Thanos survived on his own power.

So while this isn't a feat, it does kind of work out in Thanos' favor, viz. until Death changes her mind, [B]he is completely unkilable. [/B]

Especially, since it really is NOT an actual power and is dependent upon an action or inaction of Death.

Thanos' "immortality" could be equated to Silver Surfer being in a battle, while Galactus sits on the sidelines keeping him alive, regardless of what the opponent does to him.

So, maybe the real question is, "Without Death keeping Thanos alive, how would he fare in such and such battle?".

^ Edit: You can't suspend character's powers just because you don't like it.

Originally posted by Horrificus
This does not matter. Mar-Vell was obviously being mystically backed by the gods and Galactus was completely unrecognizable.

Their state has no reflection on the general super-population of the Cancerverse.

Judging by your post, you obviously don't comprehend the point in my original post.

Death keeping Thanos alive isn't a power.

Originally posted by vince_slice
^ Edit: You can't suspend character's powers just because you don't like it.

Judging by your post, you obviously don't comprehend the point in my original post.

My point was, using your examples to prove the power-level of Cancerverse characters was flawed. I'm not sure about Cancerverse Quasar, but Cthulhu-Mar-Vell and the Galactus Engine were not "base characters" that could be effectively compared to their 616 counterparts.

It is like comparing 616-Cypher against Cancerverse-Cypher in Destroyer armor.

And, as I stated, immortality is not one of Thanos' powers. In essence, an opponent would also have to overcome Death, in order to slay Thanos.

My Silver Surfer/Galactus analogy is correct.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Death keeping Thanos alive isn't a power.

Quan really made people hate Thanos

lol, welcome to my world

Originally posted by psycho gundam
lol, welcome to my world

Our plight is longer

Originally posted by vince_slice
So having immortality isn't a power? I didn't know that.

It's essentially an ability on loan from Death, he's only "immortal" for as long as Death wants him to be.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's essentially an ability on loan from Death, he's only "immortal" for as long as Death wants him to be.

Surfer's power cosmic is also an ability on loan from Galactus, and he only has this power for as long as Galactus wants him to. You don't see me claiming it's not a power.

For the record, Thanos is actually one of my favorite characters.

But, I am keeping him "honest".

Too much cheese floating around in his stories recently. And, in the minds of many a fanboy.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Surfer's power cosmic is also an ability on loan from Galactus, and he only has this power for as long as Galactus wants him to. You don't see me claiming it's not a power.

Galactus does not power the Silver Surfer. He granted him the power and the means to access the power. It does not flow from the direct involvement of Galactus.

Galactus gave him the Power Cosmic. It is the Surfer's power now.

The immortality of Thanos is not due to any part of him or his power profile. It is simply an ongoing action of Death.

If Death had done something to Thanos, where he could not die and it was no longer due to any action from Death, that might be a different story. Because, then it would become an aspect of Thanos.

But, actually, his immortality has nothing to do with him or his powers.

Somebody is forcing him to live. Which is fine, but it still is not a power or ability belonging to Thanos.

If a person is arguing for Thanos and pumping the immortality issue, I just want to make clear exactly what that means.

Example:
Currently, you will see 2 different thread-types for Colossus. One seems to be for "True Colossus" and the other is for "Colossunaut", or whatever it has evolved into. This is because, currently, a story arc has an upgrade in Piotr's power profile, from an outside entity and is obviously not a permanent physiological, genetic or mental change in the character.

I'm just stating that the same could/should be done with Thanos.

Differentiating between "True Thanos" and "Deathless Thanos" might be an option.