Originally posted by Dolos
The Will of the Force has empowered every character to the extent necessary to carry out its design.
True, but the likes of the Sith and mad people like Daala and other war lords insist on resisting the will of the force. Causing unbelievable amounts of destruction in the process - to organic and inorganic life.
That doesn't mean he was doing the will of the force. The dark side can never balance, nor can it ever represent the fulfilled will of the force.
Sorry but waxing rhetoric about how hate (of all things) 😱made him feel centered doesn't have much of anything
to do with doing the will of the force, which is singular - in every given
scenario - and not divisible.
The force grants free will though, and a mad warrior is entitled to do
what he wants - it's just not going to be the will of the force.
The will of the force is like the will of God, which is to grant life to
all, animate and inanimate, and have them possess that life abundantly.
It's not to kill, maim or destroy. When Jedi do this, they do it in self defense
granting them a reprieve in their conscience and though they feel
sorrowful for the lost, they believe that even the force will eventually
guide and use such action to bring about good.
Originally posted by Nephthys
"He resided in the calm eye of a storm of hate. Power churned around him, within him. He did not feel as if he were drawing on the Force, using it. He felt as if he were the Force, as if he had merged with it." - Deceived.That sounds pretty close to me.
It also looks extremely subjective, referencing the POV of Malgus. Considering Dark Siders emphasize individuality at the expense of the majority, it seems unlikely they would achieve oneness in any real sense.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
It also looks extremely subjective, referencing the POV of Malgus. Considering Dark Siders emphasize individuality at the expense of the majority, it seems unlikely they would achieve oneness in any real sense.
Except for the fact that Malgus' power vastly improved upon achieving this state, to the point where he was able to easily overpower Aryn Leneer with lightning, where in their previous fight she was able to block his lightning in midair. The paragrath after that first quote states:
"He had evolved. Nothing split his loyalties any longer. He served the Force and only the Force, and his understanding of it increased daily."
So he's not just blowing it out of his ass, he did get a boost to his power and Force mastery from this.
Anyway, I merely said that he came close. As close as a darksider can get in my estimation (and Sidious'😉.
It's not about being a 'lightsider' (some lightsiders are the worst actually) it's about not being a murdering, fanatical, rabid, blindly hating pank.
And since the dark side is where, fear and destruction lie, it cannot bring balance and it cannot achieve oneness on its own. It needs the will of the living force which would encompass both light and dark.
A jedi can use the dark side, but if they're balanced, they don't let said application consume them. Even just the desire to use the dark side is kept in check within.
A sith is a bit like a wanton and spoilt child by comparison.
Originally posted by Board Walker
I find it hard to believe that only light siders can achieve oneness with the force, i believe both light and dark can achieve oneness. Wouldnt anakin skywalker be a dark sider that achieved oneness with the force when he fought dooku? As he used hate and anger.
The thing about the Dark Side is it is very much about bending the force to you.
The Light Side, is very much about following the will/flow of the force.
What Anakin did against Dooku was basically using his chosen one powers to bend the force to him very, very well. But it's still not immersing himself as much in the force as it is when he's doing it lightside and truly letting the force flow through him.
And it should be noted, oneness happens much more often to Lightsiders. I can think of two darksider oneness-ish moments, that being one of them. There's something like a dozen instances of lightsiders pulling it.
So oneness with the force can be achieved by both pure light and dark, as well as a mixture of light and dark. It all depends upon the person's state of mind, not desiring to bend the force to their will, but rather flowing with it?
So a dark side user could be one with the force through the dark side if they simply let it control them purely and meld with its will?
Originally posted by Board Walker
So oneness with the force can be achieved by both pure light and dark, as well as a mixture of light and dark. It all depends upon the person's state of mind, not desiring to bend the force to their will, but rather flowing with it?So a dark side user could be one with the force through the dark side if they simply let it control them purely and meld with its will?
The darkside by itself can never achieve parity with the will of the force. The force was initially only light, then probably the first disobedience caused the dark side to grow. After that the force compensated.
But at no point is destruction part of the desired will of the force. Oneness can be achieved only by letting the living force guide you. In a battle situation, you can merge with the force through (hate, lust negative) or (trust, freedom). Either path can lead you to victory, but victory for the darkside is not the desired will of the force.
So evil can also kill the force, basically - if every force user went dark.
Is the light side oneness stronger? What kind of amplification are the dark siders receiving during a state of oneness?
The descriptions claim that they are drawing power from "entire Jedi Order."
"... opened more fully to the force ... using his love for... and the entire Jedi Order to draw it into him... "