Originally posted by AllanklesNo, it's about keeping balance between creation and destruction throughout the continuity of evolution. It's about maintaining order.
The Jedi order survived so much heartache and sorrow and destruction not so much because they were the end all be all of organizations, but because they remained loyal to the living force -which as I said is to promote life and have that life be infinitely abundant.
My philosophy for the Living Force is the same as my philosophies toward similar concepts in real life - which falls in between Plagueis' school of thought and Luke Skywalker's school of thought.
In contrast to Luke's view; which asserted that the Force beckons to all of us and that we should go along with it - Plageuis believed that the Living Force, this drive to maintain a certain kind of order between imagined goods and evils, was mere the projection of the collective consensus of all the life that creates the Force - and that the majority should not define the existence of one individual, and that they should be free to make the Force do as they please.
I believe that attempting to overcome the willpower of all living things, and dominate them, is wrong. Pure and simple.
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interesting.....SWL and Board Walker have a point...
I agree...A extreme light sider is just as dangerous as an extreme dark sider....
my proof? read Darth Plaguis again....look what happened to the Jedi in their willingness
to not change and adapt...look at what the The Force decided to do....the consequences....
Yoda's regret...imo understanding and mastering the light and the dark does have advantages
the only disadvantage I see is giving in to one side over the other.
Revan is a very good example.
The Je'daii Order is another.
Jacen and Anakin are not good examples because they both turned to the darkside...
Jacen had the potential imo when he decided to learn from other Force Organizations...his
techniques were no longer Jedi....
He was on to something new like Revan was...
And for the record that was no Force Push....
it was n't focused or channeled....
imo it was more like Force Repulse or Force Wave or something...
What eliminates Jacen and Anakin from this is they went dark ...
both were using Sith and Dark Jedi powers...
There is nothing that I read or researched saying that they used both sides of the Force...
or mastered both sides like Revan...
Wait .... I thought I was done...The Mortis thing...the game changer and the big what if...
and unanswered question... if Anakin would have stayed and learned every thing from the Father
would he return to the Republic and bring balance that way or Stay on Mortis and bring balance
that way? what do yall think?
The Father was neither light or dark....he was very powerful...
he mastered both sides and he did defeat the chosen one, Sith, or zone...
whichever it doesn't really matter, he was defeated...and received a powerful memory wipe...
I might add...
imo it's The Father
Revan
Who ever else I'm still looking....I know for sure it's not Anakin or Jacen Solo
as much as you want it to be...they're not...
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well, fate of the galaxy and everything. I'd do the exact same personally. You probably would too.
Sure, I'd manipulate a poor trusting boy who has lost the only family he's known and his own mentor for the sake of thrusting him at my enemy and his fallen father hoping that the guy goes easy on his son or the son is powerful enough to kill them both.
While I was at it, I'd totally be manipulating some swamp frogs into fighting for my amusement.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Sure, I'd manipulate a poor trusting boy who has lost the only family he's known and his own mentor for the sake of thrusting him at my enemy and his fallen father hoping that the guy goes easy on his son or the son is powerful enough to kill them both.While I was at it, I'd totally be manipulating some swamp frogs into fighting for my amusement.
As opposed to having the boy refuse to fight back i.e. what actually happened, dooming the galaxy if not for a sudden change of heart from Vader? Hell yeah I'd ****ing manipulate him. Needs of the many, b*tch!
Originally posted by Nephthys
As opposed to having the boy refuse to fight back i.e. what actually happened, dooming the galaxy if not for a sudden change of heart from Vader? Hell yeah I'd ****ing manipulate him. Needs of the many, b*tch!
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Also, Luke already trusted Obi-Wan like a father even though he barely knew him. It wouldn't hurt his prospects to say "Luke, he's your father but he's corrupted by evil. Learn from his example. Maybe you can save him, but above all you must stop evil. Also, don't bang your sister. It's gross."
Originally posted by Oneness
No, it's about keeping balance between creation and destruction throughout the continuity of evolution. It's about maintaining order.My philosophy for the Living Force is the same as my philosophies toward similar concepts in real life - which falls in between Plagueis' school of thought and Luke Skywalker's school of thought.
In contrast to Luke's view; which asserted that the Force beckons to all of us and that we should go along with it - Plageuis believed that the Living Force, this drive to maintain a certain kind of order between imagined goods and evils, was mere the projection of the collective consensus of all the life that creates the Force - and that the majority should not define the existence of one individual, and that they should be free to make the Force do as they please.
I believe that attempting to overcome the willpower of all living things, and dominate them, is wrong. Pure and simple.
Cool theory, but life must be preserved at all times if possible. In the case of self defense, you're absolved of taking life - since the taking of a life in such an instance is incidental. Any philosophy that promotes the destruction of life is wrong. The Jedi should have developed non-lethal mechanisms for dealing with Dark Sith Lords and other rogues.
Originally posted by Allankles
Cool theory, but life must be preserved at all times if possible. In the case of self defense, you're absolved of taking life - since the taking of a life in such an instance is incidental. Any philosophy that promotes the destruction of life is wrong. The Jedi should have developed non-lethal mechanisms for dealing with Dark Sith Lords and other rogues.
Back in the KotoR era, they used severe force on some occasions (Ulic), or mind-wiping (Revan). Though I don't think the CW era has either technique, they might've been lost in the Republic Dark Age in the New Sith Wars.
It is pretty darn hard to contain a full-blown sith. Students are brought back from the dark side pretty often, stronger ones are almost always problems.
I agree Q99.....or exile
But let's look at what Revan was trying to do for example....
he discovered another way of using the Force...and the Council was afraid of this change...
just like they abandoned Makashi (Form II ) and Juyo(FormVII)
they thought the Sith were gone...eliminated....
And look what happened,the Sith adapted....none of the light saber styles abandoned...
their whole philosophy has changed....
instead of an army of Sith,they changed to just 2.....
2 Sith through out the millennium brought the Republic to its knees....
The Jedi were kinda bold enough to "try" to learn and study Juyo with maybe a good 4 or 5
learning it to mastery but not capable of expanding it
except 1....
I think I would have taken exile...over severing my connection with the Force....
turn in my light saber....secretly build another and start my own Order......
I think they tried...Allankles.
sometimes self defense don't cut it when it comes to most Sith Lords.....
its either kill or be killed....when you have no other choice....
I think Yoda may have known Sever Force....but probably thought it was too extreme....
I wouldn't be surprised....Yoda knows alot of secrets...took them to the grave...he has....
Then you realise that this Sith Lord almost always great or extreme evil must die.....
there is no cure...no rehabilitation...and if you don't kill him then....possible slavery...extinction...
genocide....decades of pain...misery...etc.
unarmed or not....The Force will understand....you'll save billions....