Ragnorak vs Wolverine

Originally posted by Lord Feron
What does being in the air and having the ability to smack someone away have anything to do with each other. But anyway I would imagine that you would have a lot more leverage on ground then just floating in the air anyway.

Because it much easier to accomplish that to an airborne target who cant fly then it would be to a grounded one.

Leverage arguement hurts you far more then helps. Clor can fly, Wolverine can't. If anyone has being impacted from lack of leverage it the non flyer, not the flyer.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

Okay he took a full blast, how about multiple full blasts, does Rag have only a single charge to use his lighting? Is it limited some how in it's uses? Not that I know of.

And please explain to me when Clor has simply kept assaulting people at range rather then enagage them in melee? I notice you like to ignore cis. There again is no evidence that it would put Wolverine down nor is there any evidence that Clor would even attempt such a strategy.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

I think repeated smacks coupled with repeated lighting blast would put down Wolverine sooner than wolverine stabbing and clawing rag to death.

And again Wolverine was stationary airborne target who had to remain in contact with Clor to remain in the air. And still Wolverine was out landing Clor. Now Wolverine grounded, which means it be significantly harder for Clor to land blows while being much easier for Wolverine to land his. You are very much over looking how and where the original fight took place compared with this current scenerio. The battlefiled completely favored Clor and still he was being out landed. That not a good indication he going to fair well on the ground.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
It was not as if the blast had no affect on him or he just walked through it like it was rain.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

Yes I know he was in pain I never doubted that.

And if you notice Wolverine was shown in no more pain then clor was.

Ragnorak wins.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Because it much easier to accomplish that to an airborne target who cant fly then it would be to a grounded one.

Leverage arguement hurts you far more then helps. Clor can fly, Wolverine can't. If anyone has being impacted from lack of leverage it the non flyer, not the flyer.

Except it wasent a single lighting bolt. He held onto Wolverine and lighting the shit out of him, that more damaging then a single lighting bolt strike which by the way wolverine has and would be quite capable of easily tanking.

And please explain to me when Clor has simply kept assaulting people at range rather then enagage them in melee? I notice you like to ignore cis. There again is no evidence that it would put Wolverine down nor is there any evidence that Clor would even attempt such a strategy.

Based on what? There again no evidence that suggest this to be true.

And again Wolverine was stationary airborne target who had to remain in contact with Clor to remain in the air. And still Wolverine was out landing Clor. Now Wolverine grounded, which means it be significantly harder for Clor to land blows while being much easier for Wolverine to land his. You are very much over looking how and where the original fight took place compared with this current scenerio. The battlefiled completely favored Clor and still he was being out landed. That not a good indication he going to fair well on the ground.

He pretty much did walk through it, he hit clor 6 times in a row right after taking that lighting assault. Clearly did not impact remotely to the level your suggesting.

And if you notice Wolverine was shown in no more pain then clor was.

Rag was in the air smacked logan away. Are you saying if logan could fly that the smack from rag would be less powerful or something or logan would develop some defense against the smacking because he would have flight?

Not sure if we are talking about the same thing. I said a person swinging at a target in mid air would have greater force if he was grounded (but i think we would be applying real life rules to a comic so i don't really want to continue this debate but will if you want). Since they are both on the ground and rag is purposely grounded for the fight it wouldn't matter who had flight. But i believe the hits should be slightly more effective if rag was on the ground. Also logan in no way would be the person handicapped since he is more comfortable than a a flying guy if we try to use your views, and again they are both grounded so yea... Also it is not like this would define the battle or anything.

I didn't say it was a single blast. I do not agree with logan "easily" tanking repeated lighting bolts to his metallic skeleton based body. I am confident there are other instances less powerful electrical attacks has hurt wolverine.

The strategy of using lighting bolts to attack his enemies. Unlike thor He seems to use it quite often. Thor uses it against crazy badasses most of the time. Rag does it in many of his fights. I think he would use it alot imo. Not like im saying he is going to shoot a constant stream of lighting at logan pinning him down and destroying him, that would be ignoring cis.

Based off how the battle was going as you said your self, they were both injured. I believe logan would just lose out first since Rags attacks are stronger and logan HF/endurance would slow down compared to the robot and enogh hits to the noggin would KO logan since he has been KOed by far less than a hammer smash from a thor clone.

If logan is in jumping distance of you, it's not a disadvantage for him. In fact if he can jump on you it benefits him. Not saying it's easier him to fight targets that levitate above him but if the target s in reach the playing field is not as unfavorable as you think.

I do not agree with you that logan will walk thought a lighting blast as if it was a raindrop. That is what I am suggesting.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Rag was in the air smacked logan away. Are you saying if logan could fly that the smack from rag would be less powerful or something or logan would develop some defense against the smacking because he would have flight?

Also what does knocking him away accomplish? Giving him more time to heal is very bad move.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

Not sure if we are talking about the same thing. I said a person swinging at a target in mid air would have greater force if he was grounded (but i think we would be applying real life rules to a comic so i don't really want to continue this debate but will if you want). Since they are both on the ground and rag is purposely grounded for the fight it wouldn't matter who had flight. But i believe the hits should be slightly more effective if rag was on the ground. Also logan in no way would be the person handicapped since he is more comfortable than a a flying guy if we try to use your views, and again they are both grounded so yea... Also it is not like this would define the battle or anything.

Were not talking about the same thing at all. I was saying that the leverage argument is foolish to make, because in there on panel fight, it impacted Wolverine (then non flyer) significantly more then it impacted Clor (the flyer). Wolverine was at a disadvantage in the original fight for it took place out of his element. But the current fight he is at no such disadvantage because the fight is grounded.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

I didn't say it was a single blast. I do not agree with logan "easily" tanking repeated lighting bolts to his metallic skeleton based body. I am confident there are other instances less powerful electrical attacks has hurt wolverine.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
The strategy of using lighting bolts to attack his enemies. Unlike thor He seems to use it quite often. Thor uses it against crazy badasses most of the time. Rag does it in many of his fights. I think he would use it alot imo. Not like im saying he is going to shoot a constant stream of lighting at logan pinning him down and destroying him, that would be ignoring cis.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

Based off how the battle was going as you said your self, they were both injured.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
I believe logan would just lose out first since Rags attacks are stronger and logan HF/endurance would slow down compared to the robot

Originally posted by Lord Feron
and enogh hits to the noggin would KO logan since he has been KOed by far less than a hammer smash from a thor clone.

Oh and lets compare how they done against Hercules. Hercules smashed Clor head in. Wolverine beat Herc on one occasion and on another the fight ended before in conclusion and Hercules described it as “battle of titans”.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
If logan is in jumping distance of you, it's not a disadvantage for him. In fact if he can jump on you it benefits him. Not saying it's easier him to fight targets that levitate above him but if the target s in reach the playing field is not as unfavorable as you think.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
I do not agree with you that logan will walk thought a lighting blast as if it was a raindrop. That is what I am suggesting.

I not saying it won’t hurt nor is it like a rian drop. But there no reason to assume he cant tank them and keep coming.

Dum Dum is ripping through people left and right. Good stuff buddy.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No I am saying it be harder to knock a grounded opponent away then one dangling with no leverage.

Also what does knocking him away accomplish? Giving him more time to heal is very bad move.

Were not talking about the same thing at all. I was saying that the leverage argument is foolish to make, because in there on panel fight, it impacted Wolverine (then non flyer) significantly more then it impacted Clor (the flyer). Wolverine was at a disadvantage in the original fight for it took place out of his element. But the current fight he is at no such disadvantage because the fight is grounded.

Wolverine has tanked numerous lightning blasts through out his carreer, not reason to assume that he would go down, nor is there reason to assume he been consistently assaulted by them or even hit. Yes Wolverine durability is not immune to electrical attacks but he simply recovers from them. Them causing him pain and actually preventing him from fight are not the same thing in the slightest.

What evidence is there he use it a lot? He used it a total of twice against Wolverine. In his fight with Hercules he used it I believe once. There no evidence to suggest he keep using it a lot at all. A few times yes, but hardly enough to impact the outcome of the fight. He constantly takes the fight melee every time he fights. It also not beyond Wolverines abilities to straight up dodge it.

I said in pain, but yes there received injuries, except one of them heals the other doesent.

Being stronger rather irrelevant. Wolveirne not using blunt attacks he stabbing the crap out of his opponent. Ones of them heals while the other doesent.

And enough stabs would KO Clor as well. Wolverine has consistently tanked class 100 shots, the fact that he as some low showings does not out sign his consistent showings against cvlass 100’s. There a reason Wolverine has fought Hulk more times then any other person.

Oh and lets compare how they done against Hercules. Hercules smashed Clor head in. Wolverine beat Herc on one occasion and on another the fight ended before in conclusion and Hercules described it as “battle of titans”.

Umm now your just plain reaching. The fact he has to remain in contact with Clor at all times to remain airborne and sacrifice his motor ability against the slower and vastly stronger opponent, is a huge disadvantage. You are down right lying to your self here.

I not saying it won’t hurt nor is it like a rian drop. But there no reason to assume he cant tank them and keep coming.

A airborne target regardless of the ability to fly is still a airborne target. I am not talking about manuverability or anything I am talking about comparing logan hit in mid air v.s logan being hit with the same exact move on ground should be the same overall damage/effectiveness.

Yes Wolverine may go farther if he was airborne depending on the angle of the attack.

Knock someone away that has no long range attacks and is only proficient in CQC. Is not a bad move in my book if the opposition could attack from a distance just as easy as he can attack close range. Tatically it is sound as long as rag doesn't simple knock him away and wait for logan to get back and heal as you said instead of pushing the attach which he would likely do.

Since we are not even arguing the same thing i'm gonna skip the next part if that's cool.

Not a reason alone he would go down but it will keep him from healing properly plus generally damage him some. I think it will def decrease his overall battle effectiveness, it will wear him down. Trading blows with a Rag is not something logan can just take without injury then add the lighting it's a dangerous combination.

Well that fight didn't last for a while. I what I mean by alot is that he used it in every fight he was in I believe and killed Goliath with it. Yes he does like to fight melee as well, not saying he would shy away from it and use lighting exclusively.

Yes logan will heal but he will get KOed sooner than Rag will die from bleeding. Also Rag has been in worse states and continued fighting.

I do not believe strength is a irrelevant attribute in a fight.

The reason being that he fights hulk so much is because he has a unbreakable skeleton and he can heal from near anything. Unlike Hulk Rag has other abilities than punching things, such as lighting to help him put down Logan.

The fight you are comparing a man with a lot of strength v.s. a guy with skills and sharp claws. Different type of fight, i don't think we could do such a comparison.

I don' believe im reaching at all, simple don't believe that if logan can reach you in a single leap it is a massive disadvantage for him. How many times has logan jumped at something or launched by something/someone to achieve maximum damage? I think a decent amount.

I do agree that it does affect mobility but not if ya got your claws stuck in the guy and you can hang on.

I think Logan would get hit and get up but he wouldn't be able to repeat it many times. I think Rag is good enough to do just that.

Originally posted by carver9
Dum Dum is ripping through people left and right. Good stuff buddy.

Carv where is my cheerleader! Where is my emotional support! 🙁

grounded fight I would side with Wolverine.

All Logan really needs to do is decapitate or stab his head and being on the ground Wolverine wont be restricted like he was in the comic where he had no where to go but maintain himself in front of Clor.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
No.

But he's more than enough to smash Wolverine, like what was shown.

And if we assume all the non coherent noises and ragdoll body like physics weren't enough, then that last blow was going to end his face to death.

The comic was pretty clear.

The no flight stipulation is irrelevant. It's not like Ragnarok used his ability to fly in any meaningful manner. He and Wolverine were all over each other (no homo) and Ragnarok certainly had no qualms about fighting him that way.

Originally posted by carver9
Dum Dum is ripping through people left and right. Good stuff buddy.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
A airborne target regardless of the ability to fly is still a airborne target. I am not talking about manuverability or anything I am talking about comparing logan hit in mid air v.s logan being hit with the same exact move on ground should be the same overall damage/effectiveness.

But I agree with your above statement. But that simply was not what I was argueing

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Yes Wolverine may go farther if he was airborne depending on the angle of the attack.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Knock someone away that has no long range attacks and is only proficient in CQC. Is not a bad move in my book if the opposition could attack from a distance just as easy as he can attack close range.

Except that gives his opponent more time to heal, while he can’t. Also think you very much underestimate how fast wolverine is. It not even a given he can hit Wolverine with them at range nor does Clor use such tactics in battle. So whats the point of knocking him away if he gunna simply take it melee again? Especially against a healer?

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Tatically it is sound as long as rag doesn't simple knock him away and wait for logan to get back and heal as you said instead of pushing the attach which he would likely do.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

Since we are not even arguing the same thing i'm gonna skip the next part if that's cool.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Not a reason alone he would go down but it will keep him from healing properly plus generally damage him some. I think it will def decrease his overall battle effectiveness, it will wear him down.

Again why do you assume it will even land? You entire assumption is based off a strategy Clor never used and based off the assumption the faster combatant it going to for some reason sit in place and let him self get lightning.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Trading blows with a Rag is not something logan can just take without injury then add the lighting it's a dangerous combination.

Again you keep being under some impression Wolverine just gunna sit there and slug it out, he not. He sigincantly faster and more skilled. He going to be landing far more shots and getting tagged far less. You are not understanding how much of a disadvantage Wolverine was in, in there first fight. He had no ability to dodge he was out of his element. On the ground he has no such trouble. Clor will be getting lit up for ever one attack he lands. I don’t think you are factoring in the fact Wolverine has a signicant combat speed advantage.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

Well that fight didn't last for a while. I what I mean by alot is that he used it in every fight he was in I believe and killed Goliath with it. Yes he does like to fight melee as well, not saying he would shy away from it and use lighting exclusively.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

Yes logan will heal but he will get KOed sooner than Rag will die from bleeding. Also Rag has been in worse states and continued fighting.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
I do not believe strength is a irrelevant attribute in a fight.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

The reason being that he fights hulk so much is because he has a unbreakable skeleton and he can heal from near anything. Unlike Hulk Rag has other abilities than punching things, such as lighting to help him put down Logan.

Your relying on stratagies Clor does not even uses and relying on Wolverine simply staying in place and allowing himself to be hit. You assume much based off very little if any evidence.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
The fight you are comparing a man with a lot of strength v.s. a guy with skills and sharp claws. Different type of fight, i don't think we could do such a comparison.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
I don' believe im reaching at all, simple don't believe that if logan can reach you in a single leap it is a massive disadvantage for him.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

How many times has logan jumped at something or launched by something/someone to achieve maximum damage? I think a decent amount.

Also what does some one launching him have anything to do with anything? Of course if colossus throws him, he could do more damage. That just a stupid argument in it self.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

I do agree that it does affect mobility but not if ya got your claws stuck in the guy and you can hang on.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
I think Logan would get hit and get up but he wouldn't be able to repeat it many times. I think Rag is good enough to do just that.

Well you be mistaken sicne he done it numerous times and against Rag himself no less.

Ragnorak easily. What everyone is missing about their fight is Ragnarak was not just fighting wolverine but the whole team and winning for a a good amount of the time. If Wolverine had trouble with Ragnarok with the avengers line up behind he would get recked on a 1 v 1 fight.

^ Wolverine did get wrecked with the New Avengers line up behind him on-panel. Not sure how much possibly worse it could get.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Wolverine did get wrecked with the New Avengers line up behind him on-panel. Not sure how much possibly worse it could get.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I disagree, there no evidence to support Wolverine would have been dropped by another hit. He literally shrugged off ever single blow Rag hit him with while fighting in mid air.

Your bet would be wrong, and presumption not supported by the actual fight. Wolverine was shrugging off Clor blows and made zero indication he could not keep on doing so.

I disagree again there no reason to assume Wolverine cant put him down. He was landing more hits in mid air then clor was and seemed no worse then clor.

You're free to disagree but I thought the intention was pretty clear. Simply based on this post, I think it's pretty obvious that we won't reach any consensus, never-mind all the other Wolverine related threads.

I find it highly unlikely that Wolverine would put down Ragnarok, at least any time soon, based on how ineffective his attacks were.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're free to disagree but I thought the intention was pretty clear. Simply based on this post, I think it's pretty obvious that we won't reach any consensus, never-mind all the other Wolverine related threads.

I find it highly unlikely that Wolverine would put down Ragnarok, at least any time soon, based on how ineffective his attacks were.

The thread could be CISless Thor vs Wolverine and he'd likely argue that Logan wins 6/10.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The thread could be CISless Thor vs Wolverine and he'd likely argue that Logan wins 6/10.

only in Melee does Logan have a high chance of success.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
a cisless thor bfr logan with a hurricane or flash fries him b4 he could get close...... so no.. >_>

only in Melee does Logan have a high chance of success.

Wolverine being in melee range wouldn't stop a CISless Thor from using those powers.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Wolverine being in melee range wouldn't stop a CISless Thor from using those powers.

Why would a CISless Thor only use melee?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why would a CISless Thor only use melee?