Worldbreaker Hulk vs Martian Manhunter

Originally posted by Stoic
That's fine and all of that good stuff, but how is J'onn going to win this? If he becomes tangible, he gets hit by omni directional gamma bombs. If he crawls into the Hulks head, he gets a psychic backlash and is beaten down while recovering. If he fights toe to toe he would be overcome by a force greater than his. The Hulk of HOTM was above J'onn, and I'm not exactly sure why it is so hard for you to see this.

It's not hard for me to see anything. Like I've said from the beginning, Hulk is on the defensive here. It's all a matter of if J'onn can find a way to beat him. If he can't then it's a stalemate. So that's the best case scenario for the Hulk.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Was Professor X able to connect with the entire earth without the use of cerebro?

This does not make J'onn more powerful in all ways when it comes to telepathic warfare. J'onn may be greater in some areas, while Xavier may be more powerful in others. After all Xavier has some pretty impressive psi feats that can not be simply ignored because he has never contacted the entire Earth.

Originally posted by Stoic
This does not make J'onn more powerful in all ways when it comes to telepathic warfare. J'onn may be greater in some areas, while Xavier may be more powerful in others. After all Xavier has some pretty impressive psi feats that can not be simply ignored because he has never contacted the entire Earth.

Does he have feats that compare without the use of cerebro?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
[b]Guess the Number of Skrull Inhabitants?

Uncanny X-Men 371
(August 1999)
(Writer: Alan Davis, Artist: Jimmy Cheung)

8 Billion Skrulls inhabited the Skrull Homeland Planet and Xavier linked to each and every one without aid all the way from the orbiting Moon.

Mind Linking and Projection the Emotions of 8 Billion Skrulls

X-Men 90
(July 1999)
(Writer: Alan Davis, Artist: Terry Kavanagh)

An unaided (Pre-Upgrade) Xavier mind links with 8 billion skrull minds all the way from a moon and projects their emotions at Galactus who is unfazed regardless of that the feat in itself is still very impressive.

Xavier without a doubt is a "telepath supreme".

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ODG is a gangsta.

anyone else imagine that charles xavier scream from the 90's cartoon while reading that?

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Epic Charles freak out.

He's flipped shit in every animated series he's been in and in every movie. It's an Xavier staple. We actually had a running bet to see when he'd freak in First Class.

he kinda did when he got shot

He freaked when Erik murdered Shaw via coin fatality.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Epic Charles freak out.

He's flipped shit in every animated series he's been in and in every movie. It's an Xavier staple. We actually had a running bet to see when he'd freak in First Class.

Lol...I'm looking at this movie right now...its currently on Cinemax.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He freaked when Erik murdered Shaw via coin fatality.

fassbender's G status was distracting

YouTube video

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Ok, that's pretty sweet! 😄

Originally posted by Odekahn
Ok, that's pretty sweet! 😄

Let's add to it.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
Hulk getting stronger or more durable than before doesn't change the fact that he's still up against opponents who have larger versatility, mobility and are capable of dancing circles around him. You're making the same mistake most of the Hulk supporters do - this isn't a slugfest. This isn't them taking turns at punching eachother, at the same pace. Basically, Hulk wins if we ignore one of the ridiculously high advantages of most of his opponents, at least on the DC side (speed), and they just start taking turns at hitting eachother, relying only on strength, durability and hitting factor. Just because Hulk doesn't have any other advantages doesn't mean the advantage of his opponents are nullified, and they fight only the way it's convenient for Hulk.

There is absolutely no logical reason for his opponents not to use their versatility in a non-PIS environment, other than "Hulk can't win otherwise, and I want him to, because he's so powerful!". Yes, Hulk is powerful in the comics because PIS is present. Opponents will fight him on his own terms and get squashed, because he has a status to maintain, and they can't allow him to be humiliated by having him unable to counter and get squashed.

But that doesn't happen here. The characters aren't retarded. Once they percieve Hulk's physical ability - there is no reason they wouldn't want to use their capability to make him look like a statue and not get hit ever again. Who in their right mind would think otherwise? You're literally arguing that they're so dumb, eventough they'd asses Hulk's physical abilities and they have an ability that makes him never be able to touch them again, they don't use it and instead play right into his hand.

Hulk's physical abilities are recognized. But how about ignoring the opponents capabilities and limiting them to what Hulk can handle stops too?

I really don't care if people want to use this approach to debating characters as long as it is consistent.

But it's always Hulk getting the short end of the stick while other characters get wins here regardless of power set.

Originally posted by kgkg
So will you label everything Hulk does as PIS/CIS when he beats characters you think he should not?

I really don't care if people want to use this approach to debating characters as long as it is consistent.

But it's always Hulk getting the short end of the stick while other characters get wins here regardless of power set.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You have certain fights of J'onn's in mind when you say this?

Originally posted by kgkg
So will you label everything Hulk does as PIS/CIS when he beats characters you think he should not?

I really don't care if people want to use this approach to debating characters as long as it is consistent.

But it's always Hulk getting the short end of the stick while other characters get wins here regardless of power set.

Like I told carver - Hulk and other characters like Doomsday are not interchangeable. If you feel he's being treated unfairly, go to a Doomsday vs anybody you'd like thread, and we'll continue this discussion there.

As it is, you're basically admitting that Hulk gets squashed, but dressing it up as a "the others should be treated the same" to get a backdoor.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Fights in the forum aren't the same as the fights in the comics, where abilities are ignored in order to save face for the opponents. J'onn has displayed high-end superspeed, on-panel, within the comic books. It takes a minimum amount of intelligence to think "I can't take many of his punches, and I can move fast enough to make him look like a statue". Unless you think that J'onn is retarded, there is absolutely no reason he'd let Hulk lay a hand on him after assessing his strength.

While trying to keep this from falling solely on the Hulk's shoulders, by ignoring his past feats, the Hulk has dealt with characters that are capable of moving faster than light, and beat them while holding back. The Sentry is one of those characters, so excuse me for saying this, but the Hulk will not be a statue. This much has been established, and even if people try to side step it, it does not make it any less valid. The psi game has also been knocked down, and if J'onn plays the hit and run game via turning intangible to avoid being hit, and becoming solid to hit, the moment that he becomes solid again he would be hit by the energy that the Hulk can project in omni blast fashion.

Originally posted by Stoic
While trying to keep this from falling solely on the Hulk's shoulders, by ignoring his past feats, the Hulk has dealt with characters that are capable of moving faster than light, and beat them while holding back.

The Sentry is one of those characters.

No, then. OK.

Originally posted by Juntai
Were they using it?

No, then. OK.

The Sentry is capable of moving faster than light. So yes, and the Hulk was not a statue while they faced off.