How does J'onn in this thread against WB Hulk who at a certain point in time bleeds energy as a by product of him growing in power not get indirectly hit by this energy, even while retaining light speed movement? Does his speed somehow negate the energy barrage that would likely be hitting a character moving at light speed faster, and more frequently?
Originally posted by cdtm
I'm more interested in seeing this argument play out than contributing, but the way I understand it:Thor could win virtually any fight simply by commanding his hammer to speedblitz his opponents.. He should theoretically be able to mow through even high level characters like Silver Surfer or Hulk... Hell, theoretically he could mow through speedsters from the comfort of Asgard by commanding his hammer to seek and destroy his enemies, as his hammer can teleport and act under his instructions, and he has a kind of psychic link to the hammer...
But this is something Thor simply doesn't do.. He doesn't command his hammer to blitz Hulk into oblivion. And if anyone tried arguing that Thor wins in this manner, a lot of posters would call bs, ask for examples, scans, if it's in character, or whatever...
It's basically the same deal with Martian Manhunter and a speedblitz. Yeah, he has the power to do it, but has he ever done it? Why is it allright to argue MM wins via speedblitz, but not ok to argue Thor wins via hammer blitz?
And I'm not saying whether I agree with either side, but that's where I see ODG going with this.
Originally posted by cdtm
I'm more interested in seeing this argument play out than contributing, but the way I understand it:Thor could win virtually any fight simply by commanding his hammer to speedblitz his opponents.. He should theoretically be able to mow through even high level characters like Silver Surfer or Hulk... Hell, theoretically he could mow through speedsters from the comfort of Asgard by commanding his hammer to seek and destroy his enemies, as his hammer can teleport and act under his instructions, and he has a kind of psychic link to the hammer...
But this is something Thor simply doesn't do.. He doesn't command his hammer to blitz Hulk into oblivion. And if anyone tried arguing that Thor wins in this manner, a lot of posters would call bs, ask for examples, scans, if it's in character, or whatever...
It's basically the same deal with Martian Manhunter and a speedblitz. Yeah, he has the power to do it, but has he ever done it? Why is it allright to argue MM wins via speedblitz, but not ok to argue Thor wins via hammer blitz?
And I'm not saying whether I agree with either side, but that's where I see ODG going with this.
J'onn also does not fight in the manner that many are saying he does in this very thread.
Originally posted by abhilegend
If he can't figure it out then its good to shut up. Thor isn't in this thread, it is just a pathetic diversion.
No offense but there seems to be a whole lot of that going on in this thread. The main question is this; how does J'onn beat the Hulk at this level without a space for doubt?
Originally posted by cdtmYou said that far better than I did with my meandering posts. sneer
I'm more interested in seeing this argument play out than contributing, but the way I understand it:Thor could win virtually any fight simply by commanding his hammer to speedblitz his opponents.. He should theoretically be able to mow through even high level characters like Silver Surfer or Hulk... Hell, theoretically he could mow through speedsters from the comfort of Asgard by commanding his hammer to seek and destroy his enemies, as his hammer can teleport and act under his instructions, and he has a kind of psychic link to the hammer...
But this is something Thor simply doesn't do.. He doesn't command his hammer to blitz Hulk into oblivion. And if anyone tried arguing that Thor wins in this manner, a lot of posters would call bs, ask for examples, scans, if it's in character, or whatever...
It's basically the same deal with Martian Manhunter and a speedblitz. Yeah, he has the power to do it, but has he ever done it? Why is it allright to argue MM wins via speedblitz, but not ok to argue Thor wins via hammer blitz?
And I'm not saying whether I agree with either side, but that's where I see ODG going with this.
Unacceptable. Reported. uhuh
I'm just defending against the ridicule being heaped upon me when I ask the simple question, "Do you have a fight of J'onn's in mind when you refer to this tactic?" No, that question does not make me a troll. No, that question does not render me prejudicial against a character. I just want to see how relentless and effective this assault is so I can judge for myself whether it'd be enough to take down WBH who was completely no-selling class-100 attacks and busting planets via collateral damage (and still going).
Needless to say, I see disconnect here between being lambasted about asking for proof because, "zomg it's so obvious," and the utter refusal to simply just provide that proof. So much so, that people feel the need to move the goalposts and berate me with random asides over comics' portrayal and power-neutering-for-sake-of-plot and common sense in comics. Let's just say, I feel it's ridiculous that I'm being blamed for turning this thread into something it's not. My initial question remains, and it's on-topic. I don't think it's an unfair question and I don't think it's a stupid question. Ya'll brought it up in the first place!
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You said that far better than I did with my meandering posts. sneerUnacceptable. Reported. uhuh
I'm just defending against the ridicule being heaped upon me when I ask the simple question, "Do you have a fight of J'onn's in mind when you refer to this tactic?" No, that question does not make me a troll. No, that question does not render me prejudicial against a character. I just want to see how relentless and effective this assault is so I can judge for myself whether it'd be enough to take down WBH who was completely no-selling class-100 attacks and busting planets via collateral damage (and still going).
Needless to say, I see disconnect here between being lambasted about asking for proof because, "zomg it's so obvious," and the utter refusal to simply just provide that proof. So much so, that people feel the need to move the goalposts and berate me with random asides over comics' portrayal and power-neutering-for-sake-of-plot and common sense in comics. Let's just say, I feel it's ridiculous that I'm being blamed for turning this thread into something it's not. My initial question remains, and it's on-topic. I don't think it's an unfair question and I don't think it's a stupid question. Ya'll brought it up in the first place!
Dude all of that bullsh1t was just an attempt to get away from the idea that J'onn is outgunned, and against an opponent far superior to him. From the FTL speed blitzing strawman to the debunked mind rape, no one can answer the simple question, of how J'onn wins this. Instead what you get are insults, and substitutions for brilliance with arrogance, while still lacking the answer to the question.
Lol at this train wreck of a thread. People can't even answer questions without getting snippy and defensive over trivial shit, and it's getting painfully obvious that this is boiling down to another Marvel vs. DC shitfest.
I really don't think asking for examples of J'onn using his speed offensively/defensively against someone close to or at the level of World Breaker Hulk isn't out of line at all. If it's a tactic that someone feels strongly in debating in favor for, it would make sense that there's some semblance of on panel evidence to base it on.
The Thor example is off topic, but it makes sense. Based on what Thor has done, you could pick and choose various feats/examples and combine them into one "strategy" that would cause Thor to rape just about anyone he fought. It's phucking retarded to actually seriously debate that, though. But if you extrapolate feats and assume how Character A would do something to Character B based on some things Character A has done and "fill in the blanks" it's a pretty slippery slope, especially if you begin applying to all characters, not just speedsters.