Worldbreaker Hulk vs Martian Manhunter

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't think comics ignore abilities as flatly as you state. I haven't seen J'onn attack a superstrong brick he couldn't afford to get hit in the manner you're speaking of. Like I've never seen Thor summoning a lightning fortified whirlwind forcefield around him and bidding Mjolnir to speedblitz an opponent repeatedly at 1000x lightspeed while he sits inside when he knows he's utterly outclassed physically. My not believing that Thor would do this or can do this does not require me to think he's being retarded and ignoring his abilities (or Mjolnir's). I've just never seen him do it and would be open to someone showing me otherwise.

So setting aside the false absolutes, do you have a particular fight in mind of J'onn's?

Someone brought up j'onn's speed. Here's him blitzing white martians

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Originally posted by Stoic
I brought it up because Philosophia brought up J'onn treating the Hulk like a statue.

You don't have to be lightspeed to do that, though.

One of the longest running arguments is DBZ's speed level, and how there's little proof they're light speeders despite characters that can do things like catch piles of bullets from machineguns and treat enhanced speed characters like statues, in turn being treated like statues by higher end speedsters..

Originally posted by Juntai
You just compared "Thor summoning a lightning fortified whirlwind forcefield around him and bidding Mjolnir to speedblitz an opponent repeatedly at 1000x lightspeed while he sits inside when he knows he's utterly outclassed physically" to dodging a punch because he's fast enough to?

Originally posted by cdtm
Pretty sure MM can't do lightspeed. Ostrander had J'onn claim in his mini that he's not as fast as Superman, but still fast enough to outrun an explosion that was set off with him in the room, so he's still uber fast..

This does not negate the fact that the Hulk can still hit him with a barrage of energy.

Originally posted by Stoic
This does not negate the fact that the Hulk can still hit him with a barrage of energy.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't think comics ignore abilities as flatly as you state. I haven't seen J'onn attack a superstrong brick he couldn't afford to get hit in the manner you're speaking of. Like I've never seen Thor summoning a lightning fortified whirlwind forcefield around him and bidding Mjolnir to speedblitz an opponent repeatedly at 1000x lightspeed while he sits inside when he knows he's utterly outclassed physically. My not believing that Thor would do this or can do this does not require me to think he's being retarded and ignoring his abilities (or Mjolnir's). I've just never seen him do it and would be open to someone showing me otherwise.

So setting aside the false absolutes, do you have a particular fight in mind of J'onn's?

Are you going to keep arguing that J'onn, and the majority of speedsters, are retards, or will you keep trying to make imbecilic analogies in an attempt to ridiculing something that is rather simple?

Originally posted by Juntai
You just compared "Thor summoning a lightning fortified whirlwind forcefield around him and bidding Mjolnir to speedblitz an opponent repeatedly at 1000x lightspeed while he sits inside when he knows he's utterly outclassed physically" to dodging a punch because he's fast enough to?

😂

Stay put, it's probably about to get even more spectacular.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Proof that his energy would hit j'onn. MM has phased through prime's HV.

And heat vision has affected The Weird in his intangible state.

From Superman, though, but this is assuming hv properties don't change between Supermen, except perhaps for intensity levels...

Originally posted by Stoic
This does not negate the fact that the Hulk can still hit him with a barrage of energy.

Yes it does.

Originally posted by cdtm
And heat vision has affected The Weird in his intangible state.

From Superman, though, but this is assuming hv properties don't change between Supermen, except perhaps for intensity levels...

The Hulk could continue to output energy for as long as the battle continued. It's a bi-product of him ramping up in power. J'onn would have to stay intangible the entire battle.

Hulk absorbs MM's dimension so that everytime he phases, he's tangible inside Hulk. And we all know Hulk's insides are as durable as his pants.

Originally posted by Juntai
You just compared "Thor summoning a lightning fortified whirlwind forcefield around him and bidding Mjolnir to speedblitz an opponent repeatedly at 1000x lightspeed while he sits inside when he knows he's utterly outclassed physically" to dodging a punch because he's fast enough to?

Thor has these powers. J'onn has these powers. Why is it stupid that I won't take for granted that they use them in a manner I've never seen occur? And that's not even the point. I'm simply asking where it's happened and being ridiculed for suggesting that it wouldn't be done because that would be like insinuating characters would fight retarded and forget their powers.

Exactly how far are you all willing to extend that logic? Apparently, it stops at Thor using his weather powers and telling Mjolnir to go whoosh whoosh bash bash on an opponent. Surprising, this is not.

Originally posted by PhilosophÃ_a
There's a difference between J'onn using a basic ability, like superspeed, and Thor doing intricate complex battle plans. One requires creative, intelligent battle prowess, while the other one implies not being dumber than a retarded masochist. It doesn't get more basic than "You hit hard, I'm very fast, so you won't touch me". But it does get more basic than "summoning lightning fortified whirlwind forcefield around him and bidding Mjolnir to speedblitz an opponent repeatedly at 1000x lightspeed while he sits inside".

Are you going to keep arguing that J'onn, and the majority of speedsters, are retards, or will you keep trying to make imbecilic analogies in an attempt to ridiculing something that is rather simple?

Thor's faster than Hulk? Not by much probably to you, but faster, yea? So Thor sees WBH (who outclasses him physically) and just lets Mjolnir fly from his hand and makes it blitz WBH at the highest speeds it can attain. You obviously know Mjolnir automatically homes in, and I trust you've seen in cut tight circles/corners. Simple enough for you? Ok. Now here's the real question: Would you be stupid to ask me for an example of Thor doing this on-panel or *gasp* resorting to this and winning the fight as easy-peasy as I'm suggesting on-panel? Well? Would you be?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ok. Since you obviously missed the point of escalating absurdity, let's try dumbing it down.

Do you really think anybody other than carver and the kin are dumb enough to fall for such transparent tactics? You have an idiotic stance. It's so idiotic, that you're trying to move away from it as fast as possible.

How can I dumb this down as much as possible: dodging, along with punching, is the most basic ability in a fight. In what world does anybody who is thousands of times faster than his opponent, and who can't afford to get hit multiple times by that opponent, not employ his superior speed and percieve him as a statue?

Kindergarten kids would call you retarded right now for what you're saying.

That is not a joke.

Originally posted by Philosophía
You're trying to divert the discussion from J'onn's simple dodging ability, because you know you can't tackle it straight on, and instead try one ridiculous failed analogy after another, hoping somebody will bite and you'll be able to discuss that, instead of what's actual at hand.

Do you really think anybody other than carver and the kin are dumb enough to fall for such transparent tactics? You have an idiotic stance. It's so idiotic, that you're trying to move away from it as fast as possible.

How can I dumb this down as much as possible: dodging, along with punching, is the most basic ability in a fight. In what world does anybody who is thousands of times faster than his opponent, and who can't afford to get hit multiple times by that opponent, not employ his superior speed and percieve him as a statue?

Kindergarten kids would call you retarded right now for what you're saying.

That is not a joke.

The question still remains, Thor commanding Mjolnir to batter his opponent repeatedly while he sits pretty. Are you stupid or being nonsensical for asking where Thor's actually demonstrated thusly, much less winning a fight outright on-panel thusly? Not exactly seasoned warrior tactics 101 here. How much simpler could it be to command a self-homing, nearly indestructible speeding missile to batter an opponent relentlessly?

^What does thor has to do with this thread?😕

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Jebus H. Christ. I just dumbed it down for you.

Originally posted by Philosophía
You're trying to divert the discussion from J'onn's simple dodging ability, because you know you can't tackle it straight on, and instead try one ridiculous failed analogy after another, hoping somebody will bite and you'll be able to discuss that, instead of what's actual at hand.

Do you really think anybody other than carver and the kin are dumb enough to fall for such transparent tactics? You have an idiotic stance. It's so idiotic, that you're trying to move away from it as fast as possible.

How can I dumb this down as much as possible: dodging, along with punching, is the most basic ability in a fight. In what world does anybody who is thousands of times faster than his opponent, and who can't afford to get hit multiple times by that opponent, not employ his superior speed and percieve him as a statue?

Kindergarten kids would call you retarded right now for what you're saying.

That is not a joke.

dodging, along with punching, is the most basic ability in a fight. In what world does anybody who is thousands of times faster than his opponent, and who can't afford to get hit multiple times by that opponent, not employ his superior speed and percieve him as a statue?

Originally posted by abhilegend
^What does thor has to do with this thread?😕

Originally posted by Philosophía
You're trying to divert the discussion from J'onn's simple dodging ability, because you know you can't tackle it straight on, and instead try one ridiculous failed analogy after another, hoping somebody will bite and you'll be able to discuss that, instead of what's actual at hand.

And the same thing in the other thread.

:/

Unimpressed.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Your attempted diversions are pathetic and transparent. Adress what's being discussed, instead of trying to discuss something else. Or you will be reported for trolling. Simple.

[b]dodging, along with punching, is the most basic ability in a fight. In what world does anybody who is thousands of times faster than his opponent, and who can't afford to get hit multiple times by that opponent, not employ his superior speed and percieve him as a statue? [/B]

Thor bids Mjolnir to go zoomzoom on WBH. It homes automatically. It can achieve high speeds and cut tight corners. Are you stupid for asking when Thor's resorted to this tactic, much less, easily won a fight with it?

Thor throwing his homing, indestructible hammer isn't the most basic ability in a fight? Sure it's basic, but it's not unfair of me to ask. Neither is asking for examples of this speedblitzing, turn people into statues J'onn, who you haven't even proven has the physicality to hurt WBH with his punches. Take your empty threats and your busted strawmans elsewhere. You want to engage in your simplistic drivel, you can very easily bleed yourself dry on it. And it's obvious.

Originally posted by abhilegend
^What does thor has to do with this thread?😕

I'm more interested in seeing this argument play out than contributing, but the way I understand it:

Thor could win virtually any fight simply by commanding his hammer to speedblitz his opponents.. He should theoretically be able to mow through even high level characters like Silver Surfer or Hulk... Hell, theoretically he could mow through speedsters from the comfort of Asgard by commanding his hammer to seek and destroy his enemies, as his hammer can teleport and act under his instructions, and he has a kind of psychic link to the hammer...

But this is something Thor simply doesn't do.. He doesn't command his hammer to blitz Hulk into oblivion. And if anyone tried arguing that Thor wins in this manner, a lot of posters would call bs, ask for examples, scans, if it's in character, or whatever...

It's basically the same deal with Martian Manhunter and a speedblitz. Yeah, he has the power to do it, but has he ever done it? Why is it allright to argue MM wins via speedblitz, but not ok to argue Thor wins via hammer blitz?

And I'm not saying whether I agree with either side, but that's where I see ODG going with this.