Originally posted by h1a8So Basically Your Saying Hulk Didnt Produce Half The Ft He Did In The Dark Dimension......
Wendigo and Bi-Beast didn't have the amp in the dark dimension. They were the same size as Hulk and lost their amp. Also Savage Hulk is variable, so Carv and others please stop mentioning him as if he was constant. It's impossible to accurate gauge someone's strength after fighting Savage Hulk without Hulk doing a natural feat in the same comic. Otherwise, we don't know if he was operating at 500 ton strength or 1 million ton strength.The planet feat by WBH wasn't entirely due to kinetic energy of the impact but also due to the gamma energies that was released from their bodies after collision. In another scene prior to the feat the energy pouring from Hulk was doing destruction around him just by Hulk standing there. Thus after the collision in the planet feat this same energy was released but in a much larger magnitude and contributed to the kinetic energy of the collision to do the total damage.
Also kinetic energy = 1/2mv^2. That means that if you double the speed then you increase the KE by 4 times more. Both Hulk and She Rulk headed in opposite directions making Hulk's relative velocity to hers twice the amount as if she was standing still. This created 4 times the kinetic energy. So Hulk achieved less than 1/4 of the actual feat due to strength only (the feat was split up into both kinetic energy from strength and the energy pouring from him that was released upon collision).
Originally posted by StoicOk man this is kind of ridiculous.
Nah because we know that the Savage Hulk at base was rated at 75 tons, and would break the 100 ton mark within 5 minutes, which would also increase further over time. This same Savage Hulk has fought it out with Thor without holding back for the same amount of time that he has had it out with Wendigo. This is if you want to get into specifics behind his strength base, and it's initial increases.
You make one major assumption here that assume Savage Hulk always amps at the same rate.
Which any good Hulk fan will tell you is not the case. Hulk's amping has always been inconsistent. Most people would say his starting point isn't even consistent. Meaning even the level he starts off with isn't always in the same range.
You also make the assumption you know how much time as passed which in a comic is always hard to tell unless the specifically tell you.
So you're making the points of your argument's foundation on faulty logic.
Originally posted by carver9Did I ever once say Savage hulk is > WBH. No I did not try to say anything like that. It was obviously the intention of the writer for it to be that way.
Make a thread and prove your case. Any sane man would know that WWH and WBH is above Savage. You are talking crazy. Base WWH and WBH...start above Savage Hulk. They can increase their stats just like Savage can but at a faster rate.You trying to downplay WBH and WWH is making you look foolish (not trying to insult but DA**). WWH would destroy any version of Savage, WBH would one shot any version of Savage Hulk. Make a thread and prove your case.
Pak clearly said WWH was the most powerful version of Hulks. Pak made it CLEAR that WBH was above both.
Show some scans proving Savage is above World Breaker.
But what is up for debate is how much WBH is higher up then Savage Hulk.
And your guy's logic stinks when it comes to that point.
Your argument is like a huge cycle of basically using your own statements to back up your claims even when they are proven logically faulty.
For instance this notion of Savage Hulk = Thor = to whatever other characters you trying to use to prove that Thor is physically so far below certain characters. I've already shown why that is a stupid argument.
Also your argument that WWH is so beyond Savage Hulk based on Savage Hulk's previous encounters. You keep bringing up Rulk, but once again Savage Hulk is an inconsistent character by nature. I've already shown where Classic Juggernaut fought WWH and some say Savage Hulk has done better against Juggernaut then WWH did.
Then you wanna bring up WBHs big feat but we've already established Savage Hulk has done similar possibly feats in some cases then that.
The major point here is this.
You guys keep using this round about argument to try and prove your point.
It goes like this
You Guys: WBH is so much greater than Savage Hulk
Other People: Why
YG: Check out this amazing feat it is so awesome and cool
OP: Hasn't Savage Hulk done things like that
YG: Yeah but look at the people who were on the planet. They were 1000X amped Bi-Beast and Wendigo
OP: Isn't Savage Hulk's strength variable which allows him to fight people in different ranges and classes. So that a 1000 times amped Bi-Beast and Wendigo not necessarily the toughest people he has fought. I mean Hercules and Abomination both fought S. Hulk to a stand still but Herc one shotted Abom before.
YGs: Well look at Rulk and how easily he beat Savage Hulk that just proves everything.
OP: Didn't Classi Juggernaut do just as well if not better against WWH then he did against Savage
YGs: But look at this statement by Pak that says he is the strongest Hulk ever.
OP: Ok but where does it say by how much, or where does it show it.
YGs: Check out this amazing feat it is so awesome and cool
OP: .......
The problem is that you are basically basing your entire argument off of Savage Hulk and one statement saying WWH is stronger than Savage.
And from that you guys have made this crazy leap into saying WBH is 1000s of times stronger than anyone Savage Hulk has ever faced.
Which is silly cause there is no foundation in your argument to prove such an absurd number based on the fact that S.Hulk is so variable himself which has already been shown.
Originally posted by TheHulkActually he's saying Hulk did achieve half of the feat but only 1/4th of it was due to strength. The other part he supplied was his gamma energy that he was exploding with at the time.
So Basically Your Saying Hulk Didnt Produce Half The Ft He Did In The Dark Dimension......
So he's saying Hulk supplied half of the force but that half was a mixture of raw strength and gamma energy blasts off of him.
Which can be a fair point if the Gamma energy was in fact doing that.
Originally posted by Newjak
Ok man this is kind of ridiculous.You make one major assumption here that assume Savage Hulk always amps at the same rate.
Which any good Hulk fan will tell you is not the case. Hulk's amping has always been inconsistent. Most people would say his starting point isn't even consistent. Meaning even the level he starts off with isn't always in the same range.
You also make the assumption you know how much time as passed which in a comic is always hard to tell unless the specifically tell you.
So you're making the points of your argument's foundation on faulty logic.
Did I ever once say Savage hulk is > WBH. No I did not try to say anything like that. It was obviously the intention of the writer for it to be that way.
But what is up for debate is how much WBH is higher up then Savage Hulk.
And your guy's logic stinks when it comes to that point.
Your argument is like a huge cycle of basically using your own statements to back up your claims even when they are proven logically faulty.
For instance this notion of Savage Hulk = Thor = to whatever other characters you trying to use to prove that Thor is physically so far below certain characters. I've already shown why that is a stupid argument.
Also your argument that WWH is so beyond Savage Hulk based on Savage Hulk's previous encounters. You keep bringing up Rulk, but once again Savage Hulk is an inconsistent character by nature. I've already shown where Classic Juggernaut fought WWH and some say Savage Hulk has done better against Juggernaut then WWH did.
Then you wanna bring up WBHs big feat but we've already established Savage Hulk has done similar possibly feats in some cases then that.
The major point here is this.
You guys keep using this round about argument to try and prove your point.
It goes like this
You Guys: WBH is so much greater than Savage Hulk
Other People: Why
YG: Check out this amazing feat it is so awesome and cool
OP: Hasn't Savage Hulk done things like that
YG: Yeah but look at the people who were on the planet. They were 1000X amped Bi-Beast and Wendigo
OP: Isn't Savage Hulk's strength variable which allows him to fight people in different ranges and classes. So that a 1000 times amped Bi-Beast and Wendigo not necessarily the toughest people he has fought. I mean Hercules and Abomination both fought S. Hulk to a stand still but Herc one shotted Abom before.
YGs: Well look at Rulk and how easily he beat Savage Hulk that just proves everything.
OP: Didn't Classi Juggernaut do just as well if not better against WWH then he did against Savage
YGs: But look at this statement by Pak that says he is the strongest Hulk ever.
OP: Ok but where does it say by how much, or where does it show it.
YGs: Check out this amazing feat it is so awesome and cool
OP: .......
The problem is that you are basically basing your entire argument off of Savage Hulk and one statement saying WWH is stronger than Savage.
And from that you guys have made this crazy leap into saying WBH is 1000s of times stronger than anyone Savage Hulk has ever faced.
Which is silly cause there is no foundation in your argument to prove such an absurd number based on the fact that S.Hulk is so variable himself which has already been shown.
It wasn't just one statement...it was stated consistently that WWH was over Savage Hulk or any other Hulk before him. You are just so butthurt because you want to keep Thor in the game. What other person agreed with your terrible stance...if anything, people have been coming in here going AGAINST your argument. The WWH and Juggernaut fight lasting a couple of panels...lol...and you using that to gauge a decision between WWH and Savage Hulk is ludicrous. No matter what I show you, that warped mind of yours is made up. You stated it was brought up one time huh? Let's find out.
According to Doctor Strange, Hulk has never been as strong as he is in the WWH arc. Strange has met Mindless Hulk and Savage Hulk on almost EVERY occasion...let's continue.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest.jpg
The Hulk is stronger than he's ever been (WWH).
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Warbound2.jpg
Reed states that WWH power is off the charts.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkpoweroffcharts.jpg
Shield...you know, Shield that basically started off because of Savage Hulk. Shield that has encountered Hulk on numerous of occasions. Well, Shield states Hulk power level is at a level theyve NEVER seen.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest1.jpg
THE GAMMA CORP states that WWH is the angriest he EVER been. You know, the same gamma Corp that has been keeping tabs on Hulk and build weaponry to match Hulk.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhangriest.jpg
Another scan stating WWH is stronger than he's ever been.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest2.jpg
I can keep going if you want me too. Pak pretty much made it CLEAR WWH was far above Savage. Only people that is downplaying WBH and WWH would even argue otherwise.
Almost forgot...pretty much confirmation that WWH was holding back during the entire arc. The strength he was at, he held it back to prevent anyone from dying throughout the arc. Not one single person died through all of that destruction Hulk caused.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkintelligence.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
Almost forgot...pretty much confirmation that WWH was holding back during the entire arc. The strength he was at, he held it back to prevent anyone from dying throughout the arc. Not one single person died through all of that destruction Hulk caused.http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkintelligence.jpg
that's not what that scan means. At all.
Originally posted by carver9You do realize that scan doesn't mean what you think it means right?
Almost forgot...pretty much confirmation that WWH was holding back during the entire arc. The strength he was at, he held it back to prevent anyone from dying throughout the arc. Not one single person died through all of that destruction Hulk caused.http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkintelligence.jpg
