Man follows black teen who seems "suspicious" and kills him.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
so its on to juggling then. impasse reached. now for the classic dadudemon victory crow

No impasse reached. I know it makes you feel a bit better if you think of this as an impasse. But there was never an argument, on topic, that we could impasse over. You still did not provide an expert counter-opinion to "punks".

The fact that you claim "classic" dadudemon victory crow is definitely proof that you think you've lost, however. Why do you think you lost an argument that wasn't really there? You did not provide counter-evidence, as of yet. I also did not make the claim that Owen made. Even if you provided counter evidence, it would still not be defeating an argument I made.

Now, sure...we argued about other things such as burden of proof and the use of expert opinion in a court of law...but that's not really what this supposed argument was about, now was it? 🙂

It was really about you not liking the idea that Zimmerman MAY not be as racist as the profile the media painted that you bought into. If you can invalidate that, then you will not feel as cheated or swindled for falling for the initial propaganda machine about Zimmerman being a racist. I mean, isn't that really what this is about?

correction:
"...experts have studied the scream in question and all agree that it was likely martin..."

i should have said "not zimmerman".

oh and i would back off the judicial burden of proof bit. 😉

"...But the analysis poses some questions, legal analysts say, including whether it would be ruled admissible in court if charges are filed and the case goes to trial."

http://wtvr.com/2012/04/02/analysts-questions-surround-911-call-analysis-in-trayvon-martin-case/

Originally posted by dadudemon

It was really about you not liking the idea that Zimmerman MAY not be as racist as the profile the media painted that you bought into. If you can invalidate that, then you will not feel as cheated or swindled for falling for the initial propaganda machine about Zimmerman being a racist. I mean, isn't that really what this is about?

is that strawman? surely it is. lets wait for the expert to return. care to place a gentlemen's wager in the mean time?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
correction:
"...experts have studied the scream in question and all agree that it was likely martin..."

i should have said "not zimmerman".

You are correct.

It is "not zimmerman".

It is not, however, "this is martin screaming".

You may think that is trivial but it is not. Keep in mind that the MATCH was 48%. Some places put 60% down as being the threshold of certainty. Some 90%. All this proves is that there is uncertainty about it being Zimmerman, not really that is is "not Zimmerman". There's just less of a probability of it being Zimmerman based on expert analysis. Again, others have criticized the assessments (just as I did) because the duress changes the voiceprints enough to make it incomparable to a calmer voice that they measured against. Owens claims the newer software he used from the UK avoids that problem...I cannot say for sure if he is right. It has not been endorsed, iirc, for wide use in the US, yet.

So what should you take away from this? Maybe your initial assessment of what Zimmerman muttered was not coons? Maybe it was punks?

You do know that discerning what someone says is easier than matching a voice, right? After you clean up the audio, you can look at the spectrograph and make out what someone says. Some of the experts, which probably includes Owens, can look at the spectrograph and not listen to any audio and can tell what someone said as they watch the display. When you spend thousands of hours analyzing, it is like knowing a second language...it is like synesthesia.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
oh and i would back off the judicial burden of proof bit. 😉

"...But the analysis poses some questions, legal analysts say, including whether it would be ruled admissible in court if charges are filed and the case goes to trial."

http://wtvr.com/2012/04/02/analysts-questions-surround-911-call-analysis-in-trayvon-martin-case/

You do know that I already made that point in this thread, right? lol

Originally posted by focus4chumps
is that strawman? surely it is. lets wait for the expert to return. care to place a gentlemen's wager in the mean time?

No, it would be closer to ad hominem since I seek to discredit your argument approach through an attack on your motiviations/character in this subject. However, since I also soundly destroyed you other arguments, it doesn't really count to function as an ad hominem. If I had made that my sole argument, it would definitely be that, though.

Originally posted by dadudemon
[B]You are correct.

It is "not zimmerman".

It is not, however, "this is martin screaming".

You may think that is trivial but it is not.

i KNOW that. thats why i posted a correction. my god man.

have you been drinking?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
i KNOW that. thats why i posted a correction. my god man.

No, no you don't. I already corrected you on it once. You are so drunk that you did not remember that.

And I know you brought it up again to make a snide point about when I corrected you on it, in the past. What, you think I was born yesterday and I am completely unfamiliar with your antics? 😉

Also, you should have seen this coming....but...

U mad, bro?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
have you been drinking?

LOL! Couldn't quite get the zinger in that you wanted the first time so you came in with the not so ninja edit, eh? 😄

yeah that will teach me for having the nerve to correct myself...?

good job catching that ddm.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
yeah that will teach me for having the nerve to correct myself...?

good job catching that ddm.

"...I know you brought it up again to make a snide point about when I corrected you on it, in the past. What, you think I was born yesterday and I am completely unfamiliar with your antics?"

But, no, for real. Back on topic. I know you love drama but we shouldn't get too off topic or we will get in trouble.

And, I did offer to have drinks with you. Are you up for that? I'll buy, of course, but I expect you to pay for the subs that you told me about.

yes i got it. i posted a retraction and you're mad about it. kinda childish though, huh? and yes "you drunk herp derp, ect". bravo.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
yes i got it. i posted a retraction and you're mad about it.

I am mad about you making a mistake and pretending that I did not already cover it?

Makes perfect sense.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
kinda childish though, huh?

It is. But I am used to your childish tantrums.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
and yes "you drunk herp derp, ect". bravo.

I try my best to herp my derp. Thank you. 😄

http://constitutionaldaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1618:zimmerman-affidavit-wrong-on-the-facts&catid=42:news&Itemid=71

mmm

Just wanted to lighten the mood. 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9omebbyf0M

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
http://constitutionaldaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1618:zimmerman-affidavit-wrong-on-the-facts&catid=42:news&Itemid=71

mmm

*reads*

Man.......this case is done.

With libtards raging that Zimmerman is a racist murderer and conservatards saying that Trayvon was a serious drug-dealing gangster...this case is done.

Here's what really happened with this case:

Zimmerman was tired of the dumbasses breaking into homes and stealing shit. He saw an unfamiliar young man walking around in his neighborhood. He got overly zealous and wanted to confront him because he was certain that this was the punk doing that shit. Trayvon, being a confident and intelligent young man, wouldn't have this shit. He was obviously insulted and physically threatened so he escalated it into violence when Zimmerman got too aggressively close (we KNOW Zimmerman was pissed at this young man). Zimmerman bit off more than he could chew and was getting his ass kicked. He panicked and thought his only recourse was to shoot the boy. He did.

Bam.

End of story.

Did the young man do anything? Other than being a teen male that was just as aggressive as any other 17 year old male (don't you remember when you men were 17? Fill of aggression and confidence). Add in the fact that Trayvon probably thought he was being racially profiled and that would be enough to infuriate most people in his situation. He did nothing wrong, imo. To be honest, I think Zimmerman should have gotten his ass kicked, anyway, for being such a douche.

Anyway, it was a relatively benign situation that went REALLY far south. Trayvon, a bright young man that seemed kind and loved, is now dead. Zimmerman's life is now ruined because he couldn't wait for the police to show up.

first to bash anyone for speculating.

expects to claim the last word in blind speculation.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
first to bash anyone for speculating.

If by "anyone" you mean the media and the idiots that ate up the initial propoganda, yes, I bashed.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
expects to claim the last word in blind speculation.

Odd considering I did not indicate anywhere that this was the "last word" or "final conclusion".

You need to try harder, sir.

Originally posted by dadudemon
If by "anyone" you mean the media and the idiots that ate up the initial propoganda, yes, I bashed.

yes, only more seasoned speculators like youurself ave the right to lay out a final appraisal based on carefully filtered information from 'media idiots'

Originally posted by dadudemon
Odd considering I did not indicate anywhere that this was the "last word" or "final conclusion".

You need to try harder, sir.

oh really?

Originally posted by dadudemon

Here's what really happened with this case:

[/cool story]

Bam.

End of story.

lol talk about cognitive dissonance.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
yes, only more seasoned speculators like youurself [h]ave the right to lay out a final appraisal based on carefully filtered information from 'media idiots'

Very good. This is the first step to your recovery. In no time flat, I'll have you thinking logically and clearly and less ragey and emotional. 😉

Originally posted by focus4chumps
oh really?

wow talk about cognitive dissonance

So nothing about that at all seemed tongue-in-cheek and mildly humorous? Nothing? 😕

See, it's this type of emtional knee-jerk response that disqualifies you from having a clear mind when assessing a situation. You'll learn, eventually. 🙂

P.S. "end of story"
P.P.S. How cute: you think you know what cognitive dissonance means. I recommend you look that up before using it again.

nice copout for your blatant hypocrisy.

is that sorta like "lol i troll u"?

maybe you havent had your coffee yet?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
nice copout for your blatant hypocrisy.

So when you are backed into a corner with your obviously wrong trolling, you deny the words in front of your face and call the other person a hypocrite.

Well done? 😬

Originally posted by focus4chumps
is that sorta like "lol i troll u"?

Uhhhhh, no. That's my line.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
maybe you havent had your coffee yet?

Odd question. Is this a new version of "u mad"? 😆

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