Originally posted by Nietzschean
i've read various sources and I think that it was not self defense even if the kid did attack him when the guy went to confront him.I dont see how stand your ground law can support this guy and his self defense BS argument.
laws in Fla state that a person occupying any space legally is allowed to defend that space with lethal force if they feel their life may be in danger.
Additionally, in Fla it is the requirement of the prosecution to prove a person did not act in self-defense rather than the defendant needing to prove they did.
what might be worse than the shooting itself is that this may be entirely legal in Fla, depending on how the "stand-your-ground" law is interpreted.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaosthe 911 calls are recorderded. He called the kid a phucken coon. And said "they always get away"
I'm going to say what I always say when these big cases jump into the public eye: We really don't have enough good information to come to any kind of conclusion.There are so many biased filters between us and the facts that jumping to "racist man guns down kid for no reason" is exactly as reasonable as "obviously the kid attacked him when the cops weren't around and he fired in self defense" (which I've heard people suggest).
Everyone is going to have African ancestry if you trace things back far enough. The average Latino is almost certainly going to be as dilute in that regard as anyone else with Euro heritage. In the US cultural tensions might even make them more diluted than other Caucasian groups.
Originally posted by inimalist
laws in Fla state that a person occupying any space legally is allowed to defend that space with lethal force if [b]they feel their life may be in danger.Additionally, in Fla it is the requirement of the prosecution to prove a person did not act in self-defense rather than the defendant needing to prove they did.
what might be worse than the shooting itself is that this may be entirely legal in Fla, depending on how the "stand-your-ground" law is interpreted. [/B]
I know how the law works, thx.
it really shouldnt be that difficult to completely destroy his argument.
the kid was eating gummi worms. the guy went to him. the kid was on public streets. by the guys own words he went to confront and keep the guy from leaving.
he should be charged by kidnapping. holding someone against their will or forceably moving him from one location to another even if it is only a single foot.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
I know how the law works, thx.it really shouldnt be that difficult to completely destroy his argument.
the kid was eating gummi worms. the guy went to him. the kid was on public streets. by the guys own words he went to confront and keep the guy from leaving.he should be charged by kidnapping. holding someone against their will or forceably moving him from one location to another even if it is only a single foot.
Florida's legal system is awful. As I recall they were recently trying to put up a law where police could search your home without a warrant if they had reason to believe you're destroying evidence. So like...if cops hear you flushing a toilet they could bust your door in, assuming that law was/will be passed.
Jeez. Reading those Youtube comments are usually mind numbingly bad but the tribe mentality Blacks and the redneck Whites are out in force. The Fundamentalist Islamics predictably are out to convert some little soldiers as well.
Spreading fear to sate their own. The police are a disgrace there but with the stories I've been reading lately of police invasion of privacy, the economic collapse and international incidents. Personally it just looks inevitable that the US will soon go full Police State. Personal freedoms say bye bye. A kid just got killed in cold blood and the force did nothing about it.
It's just circumstantial that it had to involve these two people. A perfect cocktail of an innocent teen black kid and an obviously mentally disturbed Hispanic man with a Jewish surname. Violent hate crimes happen everyday in the US. Aggressors from all races. And it will never stop.
Tribe mentality will always be the ultimate enemy of mankind. And its downfall.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Personally it just looks inevitable that the US will soon go full Police State.
Originally posted by the ninjak
A kid just got killed in cold blood and the force did nothing about it.
And just like that the term "police state" lost all meaning.
I'll go sit on my high horse and wait for other people see how effectively Libertarian rehtoric has brainwashed the population of the internet. I just saw a guy put up an 1984 picture in relation to getting screwed by a company.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And just like that the term "police state" lost all meaning.I'll go sit on my high horse and wait for other people see how effectively Libertarian rehtoric has brainwashed the population of the internet. I just saw a guy put up an 1984 picture in relation to getting screwed by a company.
The fact that such a crime has gone by unpunished without federal intervention, plus the unfair invasive arrests that are rampant in the country are proof of where the country is heading down such a path.
Economic crisis means more crime and poverty. I'm no Anarchist. Law and Order is necessary. But not this kind of police.
Originally posted by inimalisti wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't even go to trial tbh
laws in Fla state that a person occupying any space legally is allowed to defend that space with lethal force if [b]they feel their life may be in danger.Additionally, in Fla it is the requirement of the prosecution to prove a person did not act in self-defense rather than the defendant needing to prove they did.
what might be worse than the shooting itself is that this may be entirely legal in Fla, depending on how the "stand-your-ground" law is interpreted. [/B]
that's why i don't really understand the motives behind instituting a stand your ground law.
Originally posted by the ninjak
The fact that such a crime has gone by unpunished without federal intervention, plus the unfair invasive arrests that are rampant in the country are proof of where the country is heading down such a path.
A police state is a state in which there is extraordinary control over the population not one with incompetent police. Government not using its power when it needs to is exactly the opposite of a police state. Advocating for less government involvement is absurd when you yourself identify the problem as insufficient government involvement.
It's Libertarian rhetoric, the solution to all problem is less government. It becomes brainwashing when people jump to it mindlessly, which is exactly what you did.
Originally posted by the ninjak
The fact that such a crime has gone by unpunished without federal intervention, plus the unfair invasive arrests that are rampant in the country are proof of where the country is heading down such a path.Economic crisis means more crime and poverty. I'm no Anarchist. Law and Order is necessary. But not this kind of police.
😂 man I was drunk and probably rattled by online comments last night. I gotta stop doing that.😑
I'm reading what I wrote now and it's a blur. I agree it makes no sense. It looks like I was having 3 different conversations in 1.
Anyways now I'm sober the polices actions are completely disrespectful to the public. I don't know why higher powers haven't gotten involved yet.