Man follows black teen who seems "suspicious" and kills him.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Correction: robbers.

And I don't know about the string of robberies being black men and I am quite familiar with this case.

Also, your first point contradicts the last one.

If they were all black and he said "they always get away" he was referring to the black criminals.

If they were not all black then his statement wasn't racist. 🙂

But if they weren't all black, I'm pretty sure Zimmerman would have said the same thing. His statement didn't have any racist tendencies in it. It's mere coincidence.

I agree that Zimmerman is the main one accountable, but his actions were motivated by overeager stupidity, not racism, which is what Zimmerman is being accused of. Zimmerman's just a fool, not a bigot.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Losing the equivalent of millions of dollars worth of assets, going bankrupt, and losing a son to a bloody war can definitely drive a person to suicide. That is a pretty shitty story. Also, she went on to say in that very same "breath" that despite that shit, good came from that (referring directly to the freeing of the slaves).

Check it out: to this day, in business management, people are still considered and referred to as "assets." Emancipation procla-what? 😐

Sure, she framed the freeing of his slaves in a terrible way though, as a side note (and contributing factor) in this tragedy of the lovely plantation owner.

Then she said the south is less prejudiced.

And the black friend thing...yikes.

But sure, terrible focus set aside, his suicide is understandable, not sure you'll have to be sympathetic though, the guy did fight to keep his slaves after all.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You guys saw the Paula Deen clip where she talked about what a hard time the post-Civil-War was for her ancestor, having had 19 slaves before and now none. So sad....

Of course. What woman wouldn't want to be surrounded by 19 black men who will obey every command given?

Originally posted by Bardock42
And the black friend thing...yikes.

I saw nothing wrong, there. Even the "black backdrop" joke she made.

Making a joke about someone's physical appearance (but not necessarily in a negative way) is generally what friends do. There was nothing cruel about it. Seems normal, bro.

Originally posted by Lestov16
But if they weren't all black, I'm pretty sure Zimmerman would have said the same thing. His statement didn't have any racist tendencies in it. It's mere coincidence.

And I am sure Zimmerman would have said the same thing regardless of the robberies because he was moderately racist. 🙂

Originally posted by Lestov16
Of course. What woman wouldn't want to be surrounded by 19 black men who will obey every command given?

😆

You can not prove this.

Looks like the whip wasn't just for Kunta Kinte's back....

Originally posted by Lestov16
You can not prove this.

Looks like the whip wasn't just for Kunta Kinte's back....

And you cannot prove what you said, either. I just happen to be thoroughly convinced that Zimmerman is moderately racist due to the racist things his father and brother have said. 🙂

Also, the audio expert used in this case said the following of the screaming for help:

During his pre-trial testimony, Nakasone testified that there wasn't enough clear sound to determine whether Zimmerman or Martin was screaming on the best 911 sample, an assertion he repeated Monday.

"It's not fit for the purpose of voice comparison," Nakasone said.Nakasone also said guessing a person's age by voice is "complicated" in general, and it was impossible to determine with the 911 sample he heard.

The FBI expert said that it's easier for a person with a familiarity of a voice to identify it than someone who has never heard it previously. That is especially true if the recording is of a subject screaming and the person trying to identify the voice has heard the subject under similarly stressful circumstances previously, Nakasone said.

But under cross-examination by defense attorney Don West, Nakasone said there was a risk of increased listener bias if people trying to identify a voice are listening to a sample in a group, as Martin's parents did, rather than individually.

"There might be a risk of bias included in the end results," Nakasone said.

Nakasone's pretrial testimony, along with other defense experts, helped keep two prosecution audio experts from testifying. One prosecution expert ruled out that it was Zimmerman screaming on the 911 call and the other thought it was the teen.

Judge Debra Nelson ruled that the methods used by the experts aren't reliable.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/01/george-zimmerman-trial-sanford-police-officer_n_3529289.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

Edit -

Another audio recording of Martin was reviewed and another expert said it cannot be readily concluded but the audio from that cellphone video makes the duressed voice in the 911 call more likely to be Zimmerman...which directly contradicts the other two 'experts' clamming the duressed voice was Martin.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/07/trayvon-martin-voice-audio-abc_n_3403994.html

overzealous wannabe cop that got in over his head. got attacked due to mutual fear. now a mega trial. dude shouldn't burn for this.
EVERYONE LOSES IN THIS ONE. Even tho Trayvon lost his life, Zimmerman shouldn't lose his future. Grey area..............................

Originally posted by Raisen
overzealous wannabe cop that got in over his head. got attacked due to mutual fear. now a mega trial. dude shouldn't burn for this.
EVERYONE LOSES IN THIS ONE. Even tho Trayvon lost his life, Zimmerman shouldn't lose his future. Grey area..............................

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I can't say I'm surprised a guy who is arguing that he shot a person in self defense who describe the person he shot as acting in a suspicious way. I feel like I'm back in the NSA thread.

He described him this way to the dispatcher before there was ever a confrontation

Originally posted by dadudemon
The fact that he racially profiled Martin and then said "they always get away" made me think he was moderately racist. Nothing will convince me otherwise. 😐

I took "they" to mean the men robbing in his area. Doesn't really strike me as racist i guess

Originally posted by dadudemon
And you cannot prove what you said, either. I just happen to be thoroughly convinced that Zimmerman is moderately racist due to the racist things his father and brother have said. 🙂

Also, the audio expert used in this case said the following of the screaming for help:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/01/george-zimmerman-trial-sanford-police-officer_n_3529289.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

Edit -

Another audio recording of Martin was reviewed and another expert said it cannot be readily concluded but the audio from that cellphone video makes the duressed voice in the 911 call more likely to be Zimmerman...which directly contradicts the other two 'experts' clamming the duressed voice was Martin.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/07/trayvon-martin-voice-audio-abc_n_3403994.html

Yeah this is weird and i wish they could agree on the voice but as of now i'm inclined to believe it was Zimmerman screaming for help solely based on the prosecution's witness that described Zimmerman as being the "man on the bottom calling for help".

Originally posted by Bardock42
He should lose a chunk of his future, even if he didn't actively force the confrontation (and he probably did). A kid is dead because of his actions (foolish or malicious), and he needs to be punished to understand that he was in the wrong (and ensure that he doesn't do it again) and to send a message to other people like him, that there are consequences for hurting someone, even in the pursuit of wanting to be Batman.

You would rob a boy of his dream of being Batman, you savage.

Batman doesn't use guns or kill.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Batman doesn't use guns or kill.

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/0/0f/Final_Crisis_Vol_1_6_Batman_shoots_Darkseid.jpg

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/0/0f/Final_Crisis_Vol_1_6_Batman_shoots_Darkseid.jpg

Darkseid means all rules are off!

Bad Karma man!

silly whirly

Really not looking good for the prosecution imo. Their witnesses helped the defense quite a bit

Originally posted by juggerman
Their witnesses helped the defense quite a bit

alright, I'll bite

in the first 5/6 days of the trial, which witnesses do you think supported which position of the defense?

If you really want to impress, you could divide between which witnesses supported the defense's argument against murder 2 versus those who supported the evidence against manslaughter. I assume, of course, you are taking the position of Zimmerman's innocence of all charges, yes?