CISless Surfer vs HP Doomsday

Originally posted by Blight
All he did was stick his fist out to a charging Sentry. No where does that indicate speed. He see's someone is coming, he wants to attack, he throws a punch. How does that match someone knowing Doomsday is coming, comments that they know he's going to be fast, and being caught off guard by the attack regardless of their preparedness?

Are you serious? You really think she means that the Justice League was depowered for absolutely no reason? She meant that it was a Less Powerful version in that the League didn't have Superman, it didn't have Wonder Woman, it didn't have the Classic Green Lantern, Etc.

Are you kidding?

Superman was there...a lot of the league was there. The crew was just weaker back then than there current selves. Everyone since then, even during the HP saga has received upgrades...hell, the last I've seen of Jonn, he was swimming in the sun whereas back then, it would have killed him. Then it has been referenced on multiple of occasions that Superman powers has grown.

Current Supes before the Reboot would solo the entire league back then without breaking a sweat. Wonder Woman would beat them, Orion, the list goes on. You should know this stuff blight.

By the way, Sentry was blitzing Hulk and Hulk countered it.

Originally posted by Juntai
Leave Carver alone, he's still trying to argue in circles to distract from the point; Doomsday is much faster than Hulk. He has yet to make a single valid point.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The thread starter indicated no CIS...

What do you think no CIS means?

Originally posted by Juntai
Not forgetting your powers due to induced stupidity doesn't mean you're going to go way out of character and do whatever the poster thinks. He's still going to fight in character.

Originally posted by Blight
I know people always make fun of him but I didn't realize the extent was this bad.

Originally posted by Juntai
Not forgetting your powers due to induced stupidity doesn't mean you're going to go way out of character and do whatever the poster thinks. He's still going to fight in character.

I repeat; the thread starter indicated no CIS...

Do you know what no CIS means?

Originally posted by Blight
I know people always make fun of him but I didn't realize the extent was this bad.

So you believe the JLA back then is = to the current JLA?

Originally posted by carver9
By the way, Sentry was blitzing Hulk and Hulk countered it.

Did he overwhelm Sentry with his sheer speed and make Sentry cry about it? And beyond that; Did he do the same thing to everyone else he encountered in the arc?

Can I see the scans of HP DD speed being mentioned please.

Originally posted by carver9
Delta, cant you tell when someone is ignoring you? I didn't read all of your post but I did see one thing. Just want to let you know that Lex commented on Deathstroke speed during their scuffle.

Also...Lex is usually armored when he is fighting Supes and Lex is usually on a destructive path. Why wouldn't Superman use his speed? The moral of the story is...street level characters usually performs better against threats than most...especially street levelers like Wolverine, Deathstroke, Batman, and the list goes on.

Now let me do what I should have done a long time ago and out you on ignore.

Holla.

Ah, I see, so you're ignoring me for no real reason. I noticed you were ignoring me, but I didn't know why. Now I see, you just want to be a douchebag. Not sure what your deal is, early on when I started here you asked why haven't I been banned yet, when I have no clue why I would be in the first place. If you somehow get this, what? Do you think I'm some other poster you don't like using an alternate account? I never did get why you thought I should be banned.

If by some miracle you prove not to be a douchebag and didn't hit Ignore on me and do read this, I'll respond to the rest of your argument then.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
can we start calling carver.. CARTER? Do I need to start a motion to do so?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Oh I'm not saying that at all...

I am saying that with creative use of his great matter/energy manip (combined with flight and the ability to move FTL), he could beat HP Doomsday without even having to directly attack him...

He could start transmuting objects in Doomsdays immediate vicinity into singularities and beat him that way...

Or he could trigger a fusion reaction between Doomsday and the foreign substances both on his person and inside of his body and utterly destroy him that way...

With creative use of his powers and the abscence of CIS, Surfer would be practically unbeatable by anyone less than a Skyfather or a Trans Tier with a similar powerset...

See, that's the thing. You're kinda using the No Limits Fallacy with Surfer. I'm not talking about going no CIS, I'm talking about saying he can do something without proving it. Yes, he can fly FTL, but fight? Not so much. Turning stuff around Doomsday into singularities? Doomsday can survive that. Triggering a fusion reaction? What exactly do you mean by this? Are you saying transmute stuff to cause a powerful nuclear explosion? Don't think that'll work.....

http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/?action=view&current=Hunter-Prey-03-34.jpg

http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/?action=view&current=Hunter-Prey-03-35.jpg

http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/?action=view&current=Hunter-Prey-03-36.jpg

.....since something equal to a million nuclear explosions didn't really hurt him.

Are you saying transform Doomsday himself? You'd have to prove Surfer could actually do it, and get around Doomsday's adaptation.

Basically, I think Surfer wins a majority in this scenario, but because he'll figure-out he'll need to BFR Doomsday. Not 'cuz I think Surfer can kill him or anything like that.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Can I see the scans of HP DD speed being mentioned please.

Only DOS have the mentioned speed fts against a weaker JLA...not HP.

Originally posted by carver9
By the way, Sentry was blitzing Hulk and Hulk countered it.

Originally posted by carver9
So you believe the JLA back then is = to the current JLA?

Originally posted by carver9
Superman was there...a lot of the league was there. The crew was just weaker back then than there current selves. Everyone since then, even during the HP saga has received upgrades...hell, the last I've seen of Jonn, he was swimming in the sun whereas back then, it would have killed him. Then it has been referenced on multiple of occasions that Superman powers has grown.

Current Supes before the Reboot would solo the entire league back then without breaking a sweat. Wonder Woman would beat them, Orion, the list goes on. You should know this stuff blight.

I'm not sure where all this BS you're spewing came from.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I repeat; the thread starter indicated no CIS...

Do you know what no CIS means?

HAVING NO CIS MEANS NO INDUCED STUPITY= AKA FORGETTING YOUR POWER

IT DOES NOT MEAN THEY WILL FIGHT COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER.

Do you get it when I write it for the third time and with caps?

Originally posted by Blight

I think there were less powerful members on the team than there were when Wonderwoman mentioned that. I also think Wonder Woman got her ass handed to her on that very page, nullifying much of her statement.

I can agree with this.

As for your first initial post about the Blitz...Maxima said a sentence before throwing her punch at Doomsday as well.

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Originally posted by Juntai
In the scan you posted she was mentioning that in Death of Superman he fought a different JLA lineup and Superman, which was Bloodwynd[Manhunter], Guy Gardner, Booster, etc, and that it wasn't 'the big 7'.

I'm not sure where all this BS you're spewing came from.

I thought I was going crazy!

Originally posted by carver9
I can agree with this.

As for your first initial post about the Blitz...Maxima said a sentence before throwing her punch at Doomsday as well.

😕

Ohhh man. You're testing my patience. Maxima got out a sentence while Superman was holding Doomsday back. Maxima was saying that she was going to be prepared if he did attack, then he attacked, and she wasn't fast enough to react....

Originally posted by carver9
Superman was there...a lot of the league was there. The crew was just weaker back then than there current selves. Everyone since then, even during the HP saga has received upgrades...hell, the last I've seen of Jonn, he was swimming in the sun whereas back then, it would have killed him. Then it has been referenced on multiple of occasions that Superman powers has grown.

Current Supes before the Reboot would solo the entire league back then without breaking a sweat. Wonder Woman would beat them, Orion, the list goes on. You should know this stuff blight.

Originally posted by Juntai
Not forgetting your powers due to induced stupidity doesn't mean you're going to go way out of character and do whatever the poster thinks. He's still going to fight in character.

😕

I thought the whole point of "Character-Induced Stupidity" was for them to not always do things they could because they were in-character. Are you thinking Plot-Induced Stupidity where, say, Flash were to just stand there while Joker shot him in the face?