Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said Hulk was immune to tear gas only that it isn't a weakness just like punches aren't a weakness of Superman's. It's that simple. Quit using ancient scans as your entire basis for Hulk since his power has exponentially grown since then.
So, you dodged the question, Quanchi. Why am I not surprised?
I'll repeat it: So, what is it, Quanchi? You concede that Hulk is indeed weak against tear gas, or are you arguing tear gas>nuclear explosion?
Originally posted by abhilegend
PIS and CIS are off. No weakness exploitation like red sun, kryptonite or magic. Who wins?
I think taking away magic exploitation is just saying "let's make Superman invulnerable to everything and see who wins".
Magic's not a weakness like Kryptonite. It's a power that hurts him as well as loads of other High Herald Characters. But no one makes Hulk or Surfer threads stating stips as "He can't be hurt by magic."
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I think taking away magic exploitation is just saying "let's make Superman invulnerable to everything and see who wins".Magic's not a weakness like Kryptonite. It's a power that hurts him as well as loads of other High Herald Characters. But no one makes Hulk or Surfer threads stating stips as "He can't be hurt by magic."
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk and surfer aren't specifically weak to magic. I just wanted to make a thread where not everyone tries to prove whether surfer would oneshot or twoshot superman with kryptonite like previous gazillion threads. Magic comes into weakness exploitation as well. Are you trying to tell me that these three can't hurt superman without magic or some weakness?
I would argue that Superman isn't either.
Though it is pre crisis...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk and surfer aren't specifically weak to magic. I just wanted to make a thread where not everyone tries to prove whether surfer would oneshot or twoshot superman with kryptonite like previous gazillion threads. Magic comes into weakness exploitation as well. Are you trying to tell me that these three can't hurt superman without magic or some weakness?
Im arguing Magic isn't a specific weakness to Superman. It hurts him, but it hurts loads of superheroes.
It's nothing like Kryptonite or Red sun radiation which other high heralds would just laugh off.
Because those things are weaknesses specific to Superman. They won't hurt many other people.
Also when you say take PIS and CIS off with pre-crisis Supes, your basically saying only take his higher end showings, but ignore his low showings. If you take away magic invulnerability on top of that, then yes your right, none of these 3 can hurt him.
No one short of Galactus could hurt THIS Superman with THESE stips. So Im not sure what your trying to prove with this thread.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Im arguing Magic isn't a specific weakness to Superman. It hurts him, but it hurts loads of superheroes.It's nothing like Kryptonite or Red sun radiation which other high heralds would just laugh off.
Because those things are weaknesses specific to Superman. They won't hurt many other people.
Also when you say take PIS and CIS off with pre-crisis Supes, your basically saying only take his higher end showings, but ignore his low showings. If you take away magic invulnerability on top of that, then yes your right, none of these 3 can hurt him.
No one short of Galactus could hurt THIS Superman with THESE stips. So Im not sure what your trying to prove with this thread.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Tell me about these low showings, which are so famous on internet.
So you think any other hero have an official weakness to magic? Name them.
What are you talking about? I'm not taking away these people's ability to hurt him. You think mjolnir can't hurt someone who has no specific weakness to magic? I didn't make him immune to magic. I'm not trying to prove anything, make a thread with weaknesses included and superman would still win.
Tell me was SA Superman more vulnerable to magical based attacks than Savage Hulk or Silver Surfer?
Magic hurts everyone, so how can you count that as a weakness specific to Superman?
It would be like me saying make Thor invulnerable to Physical blows..
Im not arguing with you leaving out K-Nite or Red Sun Rad.. They are specific weaknesses which attack the source of Supes powers.
But adding that to No Magic vulnerability plus no PIS/CIS as well and it seems like your just making a thread where Superman has no hope of losing.
If your trying to prove SA Supes is physically above these 3, you don't have to do that. Because we all know that already.
Originally posted by Delta1938I'm saying the Hulk is vastly superior to what he was thirty years ago. So I will say unless you have tear gas defeating Hulk in the past ten years or so when his power has grown exponentially then you have nothing. Your logic at its core fits the punches are a weakness of Superman's.
So, you dodged the question, Quanchi. Why am I not surprised?I'll repeat it: So, what is it, Quanchi? You concede that Hulk is indeed weak against tear gas, or are you arguing tear gas>nuclear explosion?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Tell me was SA Superman more vulnerable to magical based attacks than Savage Hulk or Silver Surfer?Magic hurts everyone, so how can you count that as a weakness specific to Superman?
It would be like me saying make Thor invulnerable to Physical blows..
Im not arguing with you leaving out K-Nite or Red Sun Rad.. They are specific weaknesses which attack the source of Supes powers.
But adding that to No Magic vulnerability plus no PIS/CIS as well and it seems like your just making a thread where Superman has no hope of losing.
If your trying to prove SA Supes is physically above these 3, you don't have to do that. Because we all know that already.
That isn't my point, can you tell me about any other character who has an official weakness to magic?
I don't see how that's relevant here. Has thor ever been helpless to punches to such a degree that even someone like aquaman fares better than him?
What? I already said that I'm not trying to prove anything.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, his powers were very weak against magic.That isn't my point, can you tell me about any other character who has an official weakness to magic?
I don't see how that's relevant here. Has thor ever been helpless to punches to such a degree that even someone like aquaman fares better than him?
What? I already said that I'm not trying to prove anything.
Did Aquaman fair better than SA Supes against magic?
Im saying even post-crisis Supes can be hurt by magic, so to take that vulnerbaility completely off him is actually enhancing the powers and ability of the character.
It's now how magic hurts him, it's how magic will affect him. Pre Crisis Superman had no special weakness to magic; he merely had no special resistance to it. That's all.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Did Aquaman fair better than SA Supes against magic?Im saying even post-crisis Supes can be hurt by magic, so to take that vulnerbaility completely off him is actually enhancing the powers and ability of the character.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm saying the Hulk is vastly superior to what he was thirty years ago. So I will say unless you have tear gas defeating Hulk in the past ten years or so when his power has grown exponentially then you have nothing. Your logic at its core fits the punches are a weakness of Superman's.
You realized you painted yourself into a corner, didn't you?
Answer the question. Is Hulk disproportionately vulnerable to gas, or is tear gas>nuclear explosion?
Which is it Quanchi? The fact that you refuse to answer a relatively simple question proves you're just grasping at straws.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Did Aquaman fair better than SA Supes against magic?Im saying even post-crisis Supes can be hurt by magic, so to take that vulnerbaility completely off him is actually enhancing the powers and ability of the character.
If tear gas can hamper Hulk then imagine Superman waking up with morning fresh breath and decides to let Hulk have it.
Originally posted by Delta1938
You realized you painted yourself into a corner, didn't you?Answer the question. Is Hulk disproportionately vulnerable to gas, or is tear gas>nuclear explosion?
Which is it Quanchi? The fact that you refuse to answer a relatively simple question proves you're just grasping at straws.
Just a question, a magic dagger can cut superman because it overrides his invulnerability. Will the same dagger have the same affect on hulk, SS or thor. I don't think so, this is why magic is used against superman in a vs forum, more so than other characters. Prolly why we put these stips on superman. Just mho.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Just a question, a magic dagger can cut superman because it overrides his invulnerability. Will the same dagger have the same affect on hulk, SS or thor. I don't think so, this is why magic is used against superman in a vs forum, more so than other characters. Prolly why we put these stips on superman. Just mho.
it would, because it would have to be a magic dagger designed to be especially able to penetrate things.
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