Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Shawn Michaels was the greatest in-ring performer of all time.In terms of all-around entertainer, probably the Rock.
Honestly, I respect your opinion and why you have it, but for me, the only thing that's come close to Hogan's greatness is Rock's superhero-esque "second wind" thing where after taking a beating he'd come back and lay the smackdown on pretty much everyone.
The only thing that's ever beaten that, for me, is Hulkamania.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's the same as me using punches or something to show Superman has a weakness to fists.
Fail, Quanchi. Did you even pay attention to those scans? NUMEROUS times Hulk has been rendered unconscious by gas attacks, or even reverted back to Bruce Banner. And we're talking about generic gas in most instances. We have an example of SPIDER-MAN lasting longer against gas than Hulk, and Hulk being downed, and transformed back to Banner, by some random cops throwing normal tear gas(well, tear gas isn't gas, but the writer probably didn't know that, and I digress). Sure, Spider-Man is more durable than a normal human, but the durability difference between Hulk and Spidey is far greater than between Spidey and a normal human. Yet, Pete handled it better. During the Anti-Vietnam riots, protestors had developed enough of a tolerance to tear gas that they could run into the cloud, grab the canisters and throw them back at the police. What's my point? You'll see it soon.
Now for Superman, the amount of force required to hurt him would be far, far greater than required to hurt a normal human being. Yet, Hulk is downed by something that normal humans can handle, even in limited amounts. Unless you're going to argue that Hulk is inferior to hippies?
Anyways, common, Run-Of-The-Mill gas attacks have significantly harmed Hulk, regularly incapacitating him. Amount of force required to harm Superman? I'd have to say that surpassing a nuke is an understatement. Your argument is actually rather illogical.
Hell, considering numerous examples I've seen for Superman, I'd say gas harms Hulk worse than Kryptonite harms Superman(at least Post-CRISIS, Pre-NEW 52). Unless you're gonna troll lowballs and non-canon showings.
So, in closing, you argue that Superman is vulnerable to physical force because he can be harmed with sufficient levels of it, if Hulk is vulnerable to gas. Can I hurt Superman by punching him under normal circumstances? No. Can I down Hulk by spraying him with a canister of tear gas?
Why, yes. Yes I can.
Originally posted by Delta1938So it's effective against the Hulk. It's also funny to see these ancient Hulk scans as some sort of proof despite Hulk obviously being a lot more powerful over recent years. This still means Hulk isn't immune and it works but it still isn't a weakness.
Fail, Quanchi. Did you even pay attention to those scans? NUMEROUS times Hulk has been rendered unconscious by gas attacks, or even reverted back to Bruce Banner. And we're talking about generic gas in most instances. We have an example of SPIDER-MAN lasting longer against gas than Hulk, and Hulk being downed, and transformed back to Banner, by some random cops throwing normal tear gas(well, tear gas isn't gas, but the writer probably didn't know that, and I digress). Sure, Spider-Man is more durable than a normal human, but the durability difference between Hulk and Spidey is far greater than between Spidey and a normal human. Yet, Pete handled it better. During the Anti-Vietnam riots, protestors had developed enough of a tolerance to tear gas that they could run into the cloud, grab the canisters and throw them back at the police. What's my point? You'll see it soon.
Hulk's power greatly varies due to his anger level and obviously where the writers have him pegged power wise. To even suggest this tactic would work on a current version of the Hulk is both an insult to my intelligence and my overall sensibilities. The logic at it's core is the same. If I posted scans of Hulk over 50 years ago we'd see he was far less powerful than he is by new earth's standards. Superman like the Hulk has steadily grown in power over the last forty years. Superman can be hurt by punches so by your logic it's a weakness. It's flat out wrong.
Now for Superman, the amount of force required to hurt him would be far, far greater than required to hurt a normal human being. Yet, Hulk is downed by something that normal humans can handle, even in limited amounts. Unless you're going to argue that Hulk is inferior to hippies?[/B]
Way back in the day, sure. I never argued he was completely immune to gas attacks either. The funny thing is you posting scans from his 40 plus year resume really doesn't have any bearing on today's over the top version of the Hulk.
Anyways, common, Run-Of-The-Mill gas attacks have significantly harmed Hulk, regularly incapacitating him. Amount of force required to harm Superman? I'd have to say that surpassing a nuke is an understatement. Your argument is actually rather illogical.[/B]
So if I use examples then it's lowballs but you're free to post examples way back when as your proof. K-nite is a weakness for Superman as dictated by dc. Gas isn't a weakness against the Hulk. Maybe in the past it's been effective but to argue it as a weakness it logically pushing it to the edges of being reasonable.
Hell, considering numerous examples I've seen for Superman, I'd say gas harms Hulk worse than Kryptonite harms Superman(at least Post-CRISIS, Pre-NEW 52). Unless you're gonna troll lowballs and non-canon showings.[/B]
Just like your case can be taken down to Hulk has been vulnerable to certain levels of gas in the past.
So, in closing, you argue that Superman is vulnerable to physical force because he can be harmed with sufficient levels of it, if Hulk is vulnerable to gas. Can I hurt Superman by punching him under normal circumstances? No. Can I down Hulk by spraying him with a canister of tear gas?Why, yes. Yes I can. [/B]
Should I waste people's time by posting punches really hurting Superman while running around saying he has a weakness to haymakers ? Think next time, kiddo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So it's effective against the Hulk. It's also funny to see these ancient Hulk scans as some sort of proof despite Hulk obviously being a lot more powerful over recent years. This still means Hulk isn't immune and it works but it still isn't a weakness.
Hulk's power greatly varies due to his anger level and obviously where the writers have him pegged power wise. To even suggest this tactic would work on a current version of the Hulk is both an insult to my intelligence and my overall sensibilities. The logic at it's core is the same. If I posted scans of Hulk over 50 years ago we'd see he was far less powerful than he is by new earth's standards. Superman like the Hulk has steadily grown in power over the last forty years. Superman can be hurt by punches so by your logic it's a weakness. It's flat out wrong.
Way back in the day, sure. I never argued he was completely immune to gas attacks either. The funny thing is you posting scans from his 40 plus year resume really doesn't have any bearing on today's over the top version of the Hulk.
So if I use examples then it's lowballs but you're free to post examples way back when as your proof. K-nite is a weakness for Superman as dictated by dc. Gas isn't a weakness against the Hulk. Maybe in the past it's been effective but to argue it as a weakness it logically pushing it to the edges of being reasonable.
Just like your case can be taken down to Hulk [B]has been vulnerable to certain levels of gas in the past.Should I waste people's time by posting punches really hurting Superman while running around saying he has a weakness to haymakers ? Think next time, kiddo. [/B]
You completely and UTTERLY fail to see the serious flaw in logic in your argument.
About the only good point you have is that Hulk's become more powerful over the years. It still doesn't counter MY point.
You're arguing that saying Hulk is weak against gas is like saying Superman's weak against being punched. Yet, it requires an insane amount of force to even harm Superman with physical force. If, with a rare exception of bad writing, Hulk were only harmed by some "super gas" that also effected others of comparable durability, then you'd have a point. But Hulk has been taken-down numerous times in the past by common, even generic gas attacks. This is disproportionately weak compared to his level of durability.
I actually haven't seen any examples of him taking gas attacks in recent years(heard it happened during WORLD WAR HULK, either I don't remember that example or it happened in a tie-in I didn't read) so I don't know how he's handled them now. But to compare him being incapacitated or even turned back to Banner by NORMAL tear/nerve/sleep/ect gas to Superman being hit with enough force to actually hurt him? Doesn't work.
As for the me talking about lowballing Superman on Kryptonite examples, that was preparing ahead of time in case someone I had in mind started trolling.
Originally posted by Delta1938It's the same logic you are using. Superman has become more powerful throughout the years so the amount of force from a punch has spiked exponentially from say the 60's to say what it takes to hurt Superman. The Hulk's powers have grown as well so the amount of gas needed to affect him has grown if it at all works. I don't even think it would affect the Hulk anymore but never said he's immune to gas.
You completely and UTTERLY fail to see the serious flaw in logic in your argument.About the only good point you have is that Hulk's become more powerful over the years. It still doesn't counter MY point.
Hulk's grown in power just as Superman has throughout the years. My logic stands unflinching while yours makes exceptions ie. a double standard.
You're arguing that saying Hulk is weak against gas is like saying Superman's weak against being punched. Yet, it requires an insane amount of force to even harm Superman with physical force. If, with a rare exception of bad writing, Hulk were only harmed by some "super gas" that also effected others of comparable durability, then you'd have a point. But Hulk has been taken-down numerous times in the past by common, even generic gas attacks. This is disproportionately weak compared to his level of durability.[/B]
I am applying your logic to both and by your logic Superman has a weakness to punches. You want to have your cake and eat it too. The Hulk is one bad ass nowadays so your ancient scans don't apply to the Hulk of today. Sorry. I wish you the best. 😉
I actually haven't seen any examples of him taking gas attacks in recent years(heard it happened during WORLD WAR HULK, either I don't remember that example or it happened in a tie-in I didn't read) so I don't know how he's handled them now. But to compare him being incapacitated or even turned back to Banner by NORMAL tear/nerve/sleep/ect gas to Superman being hit with enough force to actually hurt him? Doesn't work.As for the me talking about lowballing Superman on Kryptonite examples, that was preparing ahead of time in case someone I had in mind started trolling. [/B]
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's the same logic you are using. Superman has become more powerful throughout the years so the amount of force from a punch has spiked exponentially from say the 60's to say what it takes to hurt Superman. The Hulk's powers have grown as well so the amount of gas needed to affect him has grown if it at all works. I don't even think it would affect the Hulk anymore but never said he's immune to gas.
Hulk's grown in power just as Superman has throughout the years. My logic stands unflinching while yours makes exceptions ie. a double standard.
I am applying your logic to both and by your logic Superman has a weakness to punches. You want to have your cake and eat it too. The Hulk is one bad ass nowadays so your ancient scans don't apply to the Hulk of today. Sorry. I wish you the best. 😉
No, nah, nope. Your logic is flawed. Yes, both have become more powerful over time. But even the Byrne-era Superman required at least a nuke literally in the face to KO him. Hulk has been downed by regular tear gas. How are you not comprehending this?
Even if Hulk's resistance has increased, and I'd like to see an actual example, it doesn't mean he's still not disproportionately weaker to it.
Answer this, have people been able to endure tear gas long enough to throw the canister back at the police? Yes, or no?
Originally posted by Delta1938Both Huklk and Superman have grown far beyond what level of power affected them forty years ago as their standard showing imo.
No, nah, nope. Your logic is flawed. Yes, both have become more powerful over time. But even the Byrne-era Superman required at least a nuke literally in the face to KO him. Hulk has been downed by regular tear gas. How are you not comprehending this?Even if Hulk's resistance has increased, and I'd like to see an actual example, it doesn't mean he's still not disproportionately weaker to it.
Answer this, have people been able to endure tear gas long enough to throw the canister back at the police? Yes, or no?
I can't put in my giant Hulk disk as my disk drive is broke. My pc crashed and I just have stuff from this new era along with whatever is from my old hard drive. I don't believe the Hulk stuff is there.
If you are seriously arguing tear gas would have stopped WW Hulk or current Hulk you're kinda loopy though. Hulk has tanked nukes as well so saying tear gas works but let's forget how nukes haven't in the past 15 years is wrong.
😆 😆 The pnly one guy that can physically beat PC Superman to a pulp is PC Mongul.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Supes, although hulk got stronger and started to vibrate superman with his punches untill supes started blocking. Hulk is the only one with the potential to be a physical threat to superman here.
Originally posted by biensalsa
40 years ago hulk tanked antimatter, still did not changed the fact that gas bring him down. IMO
It is not just that he has gotten more powerful Hulk has the ability to adapt to his environment back in the day Hulk could not breath in space now his body is capable of adapting to let him do that just like he could not breath under water and he body adapted to let him do that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Both Huklk and Superman have grown far beyond what level of power affected them forty years ago as their standard showing imo.I can't put in my giant Hulk disk as my disk drive is broke. My pc crashed and I just have stuff from this new era along with whatever is from my old hard drive. I don't believe the Hulk stuff is there.
If you are seriously arguing tear gas would have stopped WW Hulk or current Hulk you're kinda loopy though. Hulk has tanked nukes as well so saying tear gas works but let's forget how nukes haven't in the past 15 years is wrong.
You still fail to see the point. And in fact, your argument shall be easily countered.
Now, I'm not arguing tear gas would've stopped WWH. I know Hulk's grown more powerful, and acknowledge he could've become more resistant to gas. Doesn't mean he's not disproportionately vulnerable to it.
You bring-up Hulk has tanked nukes. You know what? I had once been shown a scan of Hulk taking what appeared to be 4 nukes at once, from around the same era as being taken down by tear gas.
So, what is it, Quanchi? You concede that Hulk is indeed weak against tear gas, or are you arguing tear gas>nuclear explosion?
Or are you going to dodge this question?
Originally posted by Delta1938I never said Hulk was immune to tear gas only that it isn't a weakness just like punches aren't a weakness of Superman's. It's that simple. Quit using ancient scans as your entire basis for Hulk since his power has exponentially grown since then.
You still fail to see the point. And in fact, your argument shall be easily countered.Now, I'm not arguing tear gas would've stopped WWH. I know Hulk's grown more powerful, and acknowledge he could've become more resistant to gas. Doesn't mean he's not disproportionately vulnerable to it.
You bring-up Hulk has tanked nukes. You know what? I had once been shown a scan of Hulk taking what appeared to be 4 nukes at once, from around the same era as being taken down by tear gas.
So, what is it, Quanchi? You concede that Hulk is indeed weak against tear gas, or are you arguing tear gas>nuclear explosion?
Or are you going to dodge this question?
