Originally posted by Diesldude
Just a question, a magic dagger can cut superman because it overrides his invulnerability. Will the same dagger have the same affect on hulk, SS or thor. I don't think so, this is why magic is used against superman in a vs forum, more so than other characters. Prolly why we put these stips on superman. Just mho.
It would depend on the enchantment, actually. I've seen at least one example of a mystic blade not harming Superman. The argument that it overrides his invulnerability just 'cuz it's magick is poor. That would mean that punches from mystical beings would hurt him disproportionately, yet he's fought Wonder Woman, Etrigan, Black Adam, Captain Marvel and more and shown to be no worse off against them than Lobo, Kalibak, Orion and others. It would also mean he'd be hurt more from mystical energy attacks than conventional energy attacks. For example, during the Byrne-era when he could be hurt by the force of a nuclear explosion, there were two examples of him taking nuke-equivalent mystical force and showing to be no worse than nukes or non-mystical nuke-equivalents.
By the way, I know at least Surfer has been cut by an enchanted dagger, although there might have another factor.
Originally posted by carver9
Proof that gas doesn't work on the latest version of Hulk.http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/318/thunderbolts1a7cq.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/866/thunderbolts1b1wj.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/65/thunderbolts1c9xv.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/6167/thunderbolts1d8ag.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/5439/thunderbolts1e1dt.jpg
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/8531/thunderbolts16ny.jpgThunderbolt #34
Actually it's clear the gas is having an effect. Otherwise, why would they be trying to keep Hulk from directly pounding on the force bubble, and why would Hawkeye want him to breath more in?
Originally posted by carver9
Proof that gas doesn't work on the latest version of Hulk.http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/318/thunderbolts1a7cq.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/866/thunderbolts1b1wj.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/65/thunderbolts1c9xv.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/6167/thunderbolts1d8ag.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/5439/thunderbolts1e1dt.jpg
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/8531/thunderbolts16ny.jpgThunderbolt #34
Last scan states Hulk visible WHAT?
Originally posted by Delta1938
That would mean that punches from mystical beings would hurt him disproportionately, yet he's fought Wonder Woman, Etrigan, Black Adam, Captain Marvel and more and shown to be no worse off against them than Lobo, Kalibak, Orion and others. It would also mean he'd be hurt more from mystical energy attacks than conventional energy attacks.
Captain Marvel's punches hurt Superman because of his similarly tiered strength as he's portrayed to be an equal/peer to Superman. When he amps them with magical lightning, it deals more damage.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He broke a magic bubble which was strangling superman IIRC. How's that enhancing, I didn't amp him.
By saying Magic can not hurt him in this fight, you've essentially amped him.
There's not many beings that magic can't hurt.
I think whoever said tear gassing hurts Savage Hulk probably made the most appropriate analogy. It's not like tear gas was his weakness, he just wasn't invulnerable to it.
The magic vulnerability would just be a lack of complete versatility on Supes Invulnerability.
Someone with Powerful Magical based attacks (like Captain Marvel or Thor) have the versatility in their attacks to take advantage of that.
It's like Thor being able to absorb Supes Heat Vision with Mjolnir, whilst Captain Marvel can't do that. It doesn't mean Heat Vision is Cap's weakness, just that he does not have the same versatility in defense that Thor has.
Originally posted by carver9
It didn't take him out though and the gas was circled around his head...he even breathed some in.
I thought Your argument was:
Originally posted by carver9
Proof that gas doesn't work on the latest version of Hulk.
It seems that it does work indeed, how do I know?
Because it states on panel that Hulk seems affected?! 🙄
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
By saying Magic can not hurt him in this fight, you've essentially amped him.There's not many beings that magic can't hurt.
I think whoever said tear gassing hurts Savage Hulk probably made the most appropriate analogy. It's not like tear gas was his weakness, he just wasn't invulnerable to it.
The magic vulnerability would just be a lack of complete versatility on Supes Invulnerability.
Someone with Powerful Magical based attacks (like Captain Marvel or Thor) have the versatility in their attacks to take advantage of that.
It's like Thor being able to absorb Supes Heat Vision with Mjolnir, whilst Captain Marvel can't do that. It doesn't mean Heat Vision is Cap's weakness, just that he does not have the same versatility in defense that Thor has.
The magic thing will be allowed as the OP says "No weakness exploitation" magic is not a weakness but a vulnerability, maybe it was a missunderstanding. I guess, who knows.
In any case, Thor uses magic in any form.
Thor punches PC Superman in the nose, his nose tickles, PC Superman sneezes and is game over as We know how powerful PC Superman sneezes with magic. 🙂
Originally posted by biensalsa
The magic thing will be allowed as the OP says "No weakness exploitation" magic is not a weakness but a vulnerability, maybe it was a missunderstanding. I guess, who knows.
Originally posted by abhilegend
PIS and CIS are off. No weakness exploitation like red sun, kryptonite[b] or magic . Who wins? [/B]
Originally posted by carver9That was napalm to burn oxygen. Not gas. These would be better examples of Hulk not being put down by gas and fighting/resisting it recently:
Proof that gas doesn't work on the latest version of Hulk.http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/318/thunderbolts1a7cq.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/866/thunderbolts1b1wj.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/65/thunderbolts1c9xv.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/6167/thunderbolts1d8ag.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/5439/thunderbolts1e1dt.jpg
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/8531/thunderbolts16ny.jpgThunderbolt #34
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Durability/SavageHulkChemical04FriendlyNeighborhoodSpiderman2.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Durability/SavageHulkChemical05AgentsofAtlas8.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Durability/WWHChemical01Ironmanv420.jpg
EDIT: I have no idea why that first link is broken. Filename must be too long...
Originally posted by carver9
It didn't take him out though and the gas was circled around his head...he even breathed some in.
Are you trying to say the gas had NO effect on Hulk, or it didn't take him down? You're making an unclear statement.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Captain Marvel's punches hurt Superman because of his similarly tiered strength as he's portrayed to be an equal/peer to Superman. When he amps them with magical lightning, it deals more damage.
As far as I'm aware, the strength it's self gets boosted, but I don't think you understood what I meant. Someone tried to argue that a mystic dagger cuts Superman because the magick by-passes his invulnerability. If that were the case, then he'd be hurt far, far more by punches from the mystical beings I mentioned than someone of comparable strength like Lobo or Orion. If the mystical properties by-passed his invulnerability, then we'd have Superman dead long ago as, going by the "by-pass invulnerability claim" he'd be hit with that force like a normal human would be hit with that force.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
By saying Magic can not hurt him in this fight, you've essentially amped him.There's not many beings that magic can't hurt.
I could be wrong, but I THINK what the poster had in mind is that people think magick is an automatic loss to Superman, or it weakens him just from being in it's presence. And "magick vulnerability off" meant it has no greater effect on him than others, not that it can't effect him at all. At least, that's the impression I got.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That was napalm to burn oxygen. Not gas.
What are you talking about? There was gas involved, it wasn't until later that napalm was used.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I could be wrong, but I THINK what the poster had in mind is that people think magick is an automatic loss to Superman, or it weakens him just from being in it's presence. And "magick vulnerability off" meant it has no greater effect on him than others, not that it can't effect him at all. At least, that's the impression I got.
Well the way he stated in the OP was no weakness exploitation including magic.
But If that is indeed what he meant it would be very difficlut to guess how much it would hurt him.
Does it hurt him as much as it would hurt a normal person, as much as it would hurt Spiderman, as much as it would hurt The Hulk, Silver Surfer?
If we make his resistance in line with say Captain Marvel's who has specific resistance to magic then that would essentially be amping Supes.
The Ebony blade and the Sword of Peleus which is quasi magic can cut Thor and decapitate Hulk's head with a swipe.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Just a question, a magic dagger can cut superman because it overrides his invulnerability. Will the same dagger have the same affect on hulk, SS or thor. I don't think so, this is why magic is used against superman in a vs forum, more so than other characters. Prolly why we put these stips on superman. Just mho.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That was napalm to burn oxygen. Not gas. These would be better examples of Hulk not being put down by gas and fighting/resisting it recently:http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Durability/SavageHulkChemical04FriendlyNeighborhoodSpiderman2.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Durability/SavageHulkChemical05AgentsofAtlas8.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Durability/WWHChemical01Ironmanv420.jpgEDIT: I have no idea why that first link is broken. Filename must be too long...
I was going to post the second scan involving WWH but I was unsure on what happened. What about this? Would you category this around the same as the gas incidents. This was designed to take him/WWH out.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkresistance3.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkresistance4.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkresistance5.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
It didn't take him out though and the gas was circled around his head...he even breathed some in.
Originally posted by biensalsa
I thought Your argument was:It seems that it does work indeed, how do I know?
Because it states on panel that Hulk seems affected?! 🙄
And You forgot the rest of the fight 😗
Originally posted by biensalsa
And You forgot the rest of the fight 😗
Nice strength ft for the Hulk. That's all I saw.
Originally posted by carver9😬 way to skip some context there buddy. Amadeus cho had to piss him off more than ever for him to survive that. He saved hulk by getting him angry or hulk would have died.
I was going to post the second scan involving WWH but I was unsure on what happened. What about this? Would you category this around the same as the gas incidents. This was designed to take him/WWH out.http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkresistance3.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkresistance4.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkresistance5.jpg
