Originally posted by socool8520
I'm guessing you didn't read the post a little further down where I was referring to how he can port chakra based attacks with just a regular seal/barrier. You know, like he did with the bijuu ball. He removed it from right in front of him to somewhere else. No demon seal involved.
That doesn't seem relevant to Susanoo. Amaterasu maybe.
Originally posted by ichigo12
It ain't easy to make Susano'o reappear, using Susano'o is like your last chance in a battle, and if Itachi loses it, he would be very tired and maybe even die by himself.
What's that based on? He used it while on his death bead after expending an enormous amount of chakra. And when it started to fade, he forced it to keep going. Since he should be in a healthy body for this, he should be fine.
Originally posted by DamborgsonThey are both chakra based attacks/constructs. The results should be the same.
That doesn't seem relevant to Susanoo. Amaterasu maybe.
Originally posted by Damborgson
What's that based on? He used it while on his death bead after expending an enormous amount of chakra. And when it started to fade, he forced it to keep going. Since he should be in a healthy body for this, he should be fine.
Why should he have a healthy body for this? Itachi being sick and having relatively low chakra is a core part of his character. It's the way he was written. We know early on he could barely manage Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu without being fatigued. Even in his fight with Sasuke, he only managed three big techs iirc. Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu, and Susano'o.
Originally posted by socool8520
They are both chakra based attacks/constructs. The results should be the same.Why should he have a healthy body for this? Itachi being sick and having relatively low chakra is a core part of his character. It's the way he was written. We know early on he could barely manage Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu without being fatigued. Even in his fight with Sasuke, he only managed three big techs iirc. Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu, and Susano'o.
Except the Bijuu ball is a blast. It was a projectile hurtling towards the opening in time and space that Minato created where he then teleported it outside the village. Unless Minato can prove he can just forcibly suck chakra constructs away from someone...then no real reason he should be able to do it.
You want him near death? Guess that's the only way Minato would have a shot at him. Except he was hacking blood against Sasuke. Like he'd double over and start spitting his guts out. It's not a part of his character, just something that happened to him. The fatigue he felt from those techs against Sasuke aren't comparable to when he used Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu in Part 1. He still had strength left in him. He was on his death bead against Sasuke, why would he be on his death bead on a neutral battlefield forum fight?
Originally posted by socool8520
No, Minato can port chakra with just a regular seal. What are you talking about? He was able to port away a bijuu ball by making a regular seal in the air. No demon seal.Itachi is sick. He has been since he was introduced as a character. I just assume we use the character as they are in the manga for vs forums, but if that's not the case, then my bad.
I don't know what BFR is...sorry. But say, Itachi swings at him with susano'o, minato puts up seal and susano'o is gone. Or the sword ports behind Itachi and seals his susano'o. Something like that. I mean Jiraiya was able to seal away amaterasu, so Minato doing something like that Itachi doesn't seem farfetched to me at all.
You're talking about Minato teleporting attacks that come into contact with the Space-Time barrier he sets up.
Sealing chakra is what he does when he uses the Dead Demon seal or the Eight Trigrams sealing method to seal Kurama's chakra. 2 different abilities.
We assume they're operating at full capacity, unless stated otherwise. It was stated that they're at full power in the OP.
Battle-field Removal. Where a combatant wins by forcing the other combatant to leave the defined battle-field, provided said combatant cannot return in time. Think Smash Bros if you've played that.
Why would Susano'o 'be gone'? If Minato puts up the barrier, and Itachi (with Susano'o active) runs into but cannot escape it in time, then he'll be BFR'd, not Susano'o. Of course, given how Minato has to make a bunch of seals and be in front of the location he wishes to create said barrier at, it's highly unlikely he'll employ the barrier to port Itachi. Porting Amaterasu or a Fire tech is far more likely.
Okay, I see what you're saying with the Sword of Totsuka being ported, but only the blade portion would be ported then in that case, not the source of the sword, which is that jar.
And Minato could only make it appear behind Itachi if one of his kunai were behind Itachi. Not that it would appear behind Itachi anyway, considering the source of the blade (the jar) wouldn't be present, and the blade doesn't seem to be self-sustaining like Sasuke's arrows.
Now say he fought Sasuke. He could totally port Sasuke's Susano'o arrows behind Sasuke if he had a kunai there.
Jiraiya sealed away Amaterasu in a scroll and it seemed to take a bit of time. Hardly the sort of thing Minato would do in the middle of a battle when Amaterasu is flying towards him. He'd port it away or dodge it outright as opposed to sealing it.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You're talking about Minato teleporting attacks that come into contact with the Space-Time barrier he sets up.
Sealing chakra is what he does when he uses the Dead Demon seal or the Eight Trigrams sealing method to seal Kurama's chakra. 2 different abilities.
OK, I see the distinction
We assume they're operating at full capacity, unless stated otherwise. It was stated that they're at full power in the OP. [/B]
That's the thing. Itachi's full power so to speak is him with his illness. If you remove it, then he is not Itachi anymore, and we have no real idea what "full power" Itachi is. I'm being fair since I don't consider Minato with Bijuu chakra to be full power Minato.
Battle-field Removal. Where a combatant wins by forcing the other combatant to leave the defined battle-field, provided said combatant cannot return in time. Think Smash Bros if you've played that.Why would Susano'o 'be gone'? If Minato puts up the barrier, and Itachi (with Susano'o active) runs into but cannot escape it in time, then he'll be BFR'd, not Susano'o. Of course, given how Minato has to make a bunch of seals and be in front of the location he wishes to create said barrier at, it's highly unlikely he'll employ the barrier to port Itachi. Porting Amaterasu or a Fire tech is far more likely. [/B]
Oh, okay. Thanks
If Itachi's susano'o moves into the barrier it gets ported to wherever Minato wants it go, just like the bijuu ball.
Okay, I see what you're saying with the Sword of Totsuka being ported, but only the blade portion would be ported then in that case, not the source of the sword, which is that jar.
And Minato could only make it appear behind Itachi if one of his kunai were behind Itachi. Not that it would appear behind Itachi anyway, considering the source of the blade (the jar) wouldn't be present, and the blade doesn't seem to be self-sustaining like Sasuke's arrows.
Now say he fought Sasuke. He could totally port Sasuke's Susano'o arrows behind Sasuke if he had a kunai there. [/B]
Sure it would port behind him. minato can port things wherever he wants. It never stated that Minato had a kunai in the ocean when he ported the Juubi's beast ball there, unless I missed something. the same with Kurama's beast ball. I thought that the sword and the jar were independent of susano'o or else why would Oro think he could obtain it?
Jiraiya sealed away Amaterasu in a scroll and it seemed to take a bit of time. Hardly the sort of thing Minato would do in the middle of a battle when Amaterasu is flying towards him. He'd port it away or dodge it outright as opposed to sealing it. [/B]
I just assume Minato could do something similar just by touching and putting a seal on it like he does with other techs he uses since that is his style.
Originally posted by Damborgson
If he could perform the jutsu I'm sure it'd disrupt a crow genjutsu or one of the lesser genjutsu's Itachi could perform. But he wouldn't be able to move so...
You can move in a Genjutsu, except Tsukoyomi.
This fight is simply who get who first. If Minato gets caught in Tsukuyomi, he loses, but if Itachi gets tagged, he loses.
of course minato win itachi say that he would loose agains jiraja and jiraja is weaker than minato and itachi even with kisame he was not sure that they both can take jiraja down, and also itachi was not sure that he can bet tobi ,and minato did it for short! minato is one of th strongest 3 say it,jiraja say it raikage say it i think that minato wins easy
Originally posted by ichigo12
So is the Sword of Totsuka and the Yata Mirror independent? If yes, Minato can teleport them away from Itachi. Itachi would still have protection, but Minato isn't in danger anymore.
I would assume they were independent. Itachi had to find them in order to equip them to his susan'o. Oro was even made about Itachi finding it before him iirc.
Originally posted by Dardani
of course minato win itachi say that he would loose agains jiraja and jiraja is weaker than minato and itachi even with kisame he was not sure that they both can take jiraja down, and also itachi was not sure that he can bet tobi ,and minato did it for short! minato is one of th strongest 3 say it,jiraja say it raikage say it i think that minato wins easy
As much as I love Jiraiya, I'm not sure that this is accurate. I know some translations states that Itachi said Jiraiya could take both of them, but unless Jiraiya was hiding something, I don't think he has any answer for what Itachi brings to the table.
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Okay this is my theory. Please read til the end if you have started as I will explain everything. If Minato would feel like Itachi is overpowering him and is close to the win he would (if we take Minato's consciousness into consideration) he would want to seal him off with him because he would think he is a threat to the ninja world and he would obviously think that no one else could beat him. If Itachi were to finish off Minato well he would most probably be out of chakra and would be extremely close to death due to his medical condition. If this fight would of happened when both were in their prime, well Minato wouldn't have Kyuubi mode so I think its stupid to say he is stronger because of that. Just think about what we know about both characters, yes Minato is exrtemely fast due to his teleportation technique but what would let him get inside the Susano'o, a normal Rasengan won't break it we all know that. Minato would also know of the Mangekyou Sharingan so he would be clever enough not to look into his eyes. That being said, the only weakness Minato could have is the amaterasu if Itachi uses it well (what I mean is, Itachi would get to discover his kunai teleportation technqiue and would try to burn them and if Minato were to teleport again (due to a Susano'o attack or Katon or whatever) he would just cast Amaterasu on the last remaining. Now we all know Minato and he's always got a card up his sleeve (some could say he would teleport to the seal he put onto Kushina to get away, but that would just be cowardness in my opinion..). Both are extremely gifted ninjas and you can't tell who would win because you saw one use his techniques agaisnt an other opponent in the episodes. If Minato were to be able to get a win it would be by him getting to counter the defense of Susano'o and probably applying a seal on Itachi to finish him off. The way I would see Itachi winning, would be pin-pointing all of Minato's seal's (except Kushina's) and using a jutsu such as a Katon or Yasaka Magatama or such to get him to teleport, then strike with Susano'o's sealing sword and if he teleports (I did say Itachi would know where all the seals were) he would just wait that precise second he would teleport to get him with Amatersu. But for a duel do go for that long both would probably be near death in the end.. Both are geniuses and that is why it is so hard to compare. Itachi also has really fast speed and reflexes so that is why its hard. They both are alike in some point but don't use the same justu. My opinion is that Itachi would win because he was gifted with a better hereditary gift, thus being the Sharingan leading to the Mangekyou and Susano'o and its perks. Yes Minato will teleport out of his attacks but when will he attack? The reason this is so complicated is because no one will get to assume that their favorite character will loose their focus for that one milisecond and get hit because the first to get hit or run out of chakra will win. That is why I think Itachi has a greater chance of winning (I am not saying he would win each time if they were to fight multiple times) but he better chances than Minato who wasn't awarded a Kekkei Genkai such as Itachi's. I am ready to listen to anything anyone has to say on my theory and I won't hate, its my opinion, take it or leave but I want to know what you think about it.