Originally posted by abhilegend
Is this SA mangog?http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog30.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog31.jpg
Color me un-impressed.
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Mistaking Silver Age with Modern Age?
You are unworthy of these realms, you're unworthy of your title, you are unworthy! I cast you out!
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it doesn't. One was a physical fight and the other was a magical fight which has no bear on this fight. Had odin actually engaged mangog in a physical fight where he was busting galaxies, you'd have a point? Again what's best physical feat for mangog? It exists in all time and space, across all realities.
Wait!Are you saying Physical>Magic?
The point I made was Odin is raw Magical Power.Odin busting Galaxies because of Magic shows he has Raw Magical Power.Odin needing the wells to Rob SA Mangog of his Power Source shows that his raw magical power wasn't enough to do the job.And the fact that he died afterwards shows how much raw magical power is needed to Rob SA Mangog of his power source.And when SA Mangog was robbed of said power source, he started weakening and shrinking Physically until he disappeared after Thor wailed on him.It just shows you that it takes more than Physical Force to beat SA Mangog.
I already gave my assessment that team DC wins via BFR.Stalemate if this fight was SA Mangog and Kuurth(powered by Cytorrak).
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, I can cite some feats now and look for actual scans later.When Loki invaded modern day Earth, he managed to cast a spell on Thor that made him go bad and attack other heroes such as the Fantastic Four (in which he almost killed the Thing). After coming to his senses, he beat Loki, and Odin agreed to reverse the damage done and erase everyone's mind on Earth in doing so.
There was another instance where he took the subconscious mind of humanity and moved them to an alternate dimension.
Of course, the origin of how Thor came to Earth could be considered a telepathic feat for Odin as he removed Thor's memories and gave him the memories of a certain Donald Blake, which were in turn, based off of Keith Kincaid.
And just recently, Odin displayed telepathy in a psionic battle against Galactus.
Thanks. Find scans yet? But I'm a little unclear on this one.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
There was another instance where he took the subconscious mind of humanity and moved them to an alternate dimension.
What actually happened there?
Originally posted by Igniz
😂 Talk about h1 logic there.The answer is no.That Mangog is Thanos's Mangog.Which was far from the level of power SA Mangog displayed on his 1st and 2nd rampage.Though I will admit he was a threat to Thor.But SA Mangog was a threat to big bad Odin.
So, why exactly is modern Mangog less powerful than Silver Age? Did that thing Odin did you talk about later effect him permanently, or did he just become less powerful with no explanation?
Originally posted by Igniz
Sorry.Didn't mean to low blow.And SA Mangog would probably do what Validus did as well.Odin died in the 2nd rampage by robbing SA Mangog of his power source.Do you believe the entire LOSH is = to Odin(who was stopping time and punking Skyfather levels such as Surtur).
So what did SA Mangog actually show, strength-wise? Someone, I think it was Jake, said that the Marvel side doesn't really have the strength the DC side has.
Originally posted by abhilegend
This is all good and fine but how would they beat captain marvel? This guy was harnessing essentialy the power of big bang itself (sorta).
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/?action=view¤t=WorldsFinest257-54.jpg
"Atomic Punch?" PC Captain Marvel channeled Dan Henderson?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHHX0YboWTM
Originally posted by Igniz
And henceforth I said stalemate if the Juggernaut in the picture was Kuurth with the power of Cytorrak and SA Mangog.The best the DC side could do is BFR.But I don't know if that is even possible.It took 3 Asgardians that included Thor to BFR current Mangog.So I'm guessing it would take more to BFR SA Mangog.The Worthies according to Modok's scans stated that the Worthies have powers similar to Thor when he scanned Thing(Angrir).And Kuurth before he was excomminicated by Cyttorak would have been amped to ridiculous levels.He probably possess teleportation.WBH would probably annoy one of the members in DC's side.But that's the only thing he could probably do.
You DO realize that PC Superboy had towed an entire galaxy under his own power, right? And that PC Mon-El was actually even stronger/more durable(I think), right? Well, PC Captain Marvel should be about as powerful as PC Superman, and I mentioned what he did as Superboy. I do know PC Captain Marvel was more powerful than Earth-2 Superman, who could do this.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/?action=view¤t=superman58_pg46.jpg
And Validus was so physically powerful he was unfazed by PC Mon-El and Superboy's blows, and you saw abhi's scans. I believe Omega was even more powerful than Validus. I'm thinking even in your argument, they're going to lose. Anybody they can't KO, they can BFR.
Originally posted by Delta1938
You DO realize that PC Superboy had towed an entire galaxy under his own power, right? And that PC Mon-El was actually even stronger/more durable(I think), right? Well, PC Captain Marvel should be about as powerful as PC Superman, and I mentioned what he did as Superboy. I do know PC Captain Marvel was more powerful than Earth-2 Superman, who could do this.http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/?action=view¤t=superman58_pg46.jpg
And Validus was so physically powerful he was unfazed by PC Mon-El and Superboy's blows, and you saw abhi's scans. I believe Omega was even more powerful than Validus. I'm thinking even in your argument, they're going to lose. Anybody they can't KO, they can BFR.
Physical strength doesn't always prevail against Magical Nature.I remember PC Superman fighting an Abominable Snowman.Every time he punched the Abominable Snowman, Superman's fist freeazes on contact.This is were his towing a Galaxy strength feat became useless due to the Magical Nature of the Abominable Snowman.And SA Mangog's power source is Magical in nature.There was even talk that SA Mangog could be a minor abstract created by hate.SA Mangog already said it himself.He becomes Stronger and more Powerful from the blows he takes.As for the difference in power between SA Mangog and Modern Mangog.The Mangog in that arc was following orders from a Thanosi.And we all know Odin is >> to Thanos.Hence I can't imagine SA Mangog taking orders from Thanos or a Thanosi.And SA Mangog did what Thanos wasn't able to do to Odin.
Again I gave an assessment that DC side win through BFR.
Originally posted by IgnizTo be fair your using an example of a character with a very particular weakness against magical effects. Marvel has no such issue.
Physical strength doesn't always prevail against Magical Nature.I remember PC Superman fighting an Abominable Snowman.Every time he punched the Abominable Snowman, Superman's fist freeazes on contact.This is were his towing a Galaxy strength feat became useless due to the Magical Nature of the Abominable Snowman.And SA Mangog's power source is Magical in nature.There was even talk that SA Mangog could be a minor abstract created by hate.SA Mangog already said it himself.He becomes Stronger and more Powerful from the blows he takes.As for the difference in power between SA Mangog and Modern Mangog.The Mangog in that arc was following orders from a Thanosi.And we all know Odin is >> to Thanos.Hence I can't imagine SA Mangog taking orders from Thanos or a Thanosi.And SA Mangog did what Thanos wasn't able to do to Odin.Again I gave an assessment that DC side win through BFR.
Originally posted by Igniz
Physical strength doesn't always prevail against Magical Nature.I remember PC Superman fighting an Abominable Snowman.Every time he punched the Abominable Snowman, Superman's fist freeazes on contact.This is were his towing a Galaxy strength feat became useless due to the Magical Nature of the Abominable Snowman.
This would be a valid argument if A: You can prove that Superman was trying to BFR that mystical Yeti, and B: Captain Marvel wasn't powered by magick thus likely making the Yeti argument irrelevant. Also, it likely wouldn't apply to either Validus or Omega.
Originally posted by Igniz
And SA Mangog's power source is Magical in nature.There was even talk that SA Mangog could be a minor abstract created by hate.SA Mangog already said it himself.He becomes Stronger and more Powerful from the blows he takes.
So, why exactly would this prevent him from being BFRed by physical force? Did his magick actually prevent this from happening? And it's been pointed-out before, Omega was fueled by the hatred of the entire UNIVERSE.
Originally posted by Igniz
As for the difference in power between SA Mangog and Modern Mangog.The Mangog in that arc was following orders from a Thanosi.And we all know Odin is >> to Thanos.Hence I can't imagine SA Mangog taking orders from Thanos or a Thanosi.And SA Mangog did what Thanos wasn't able to do to Odin.
No, my question wasn't what's the difference between SA and Modern Mangog. My question is WHY is there a difference. Was there an actual storyline that officially depowered Mangog, or did he just end-up as less powerful without explanation?
Originally posted by Igniz
Again I gave an assessment that DC side win through BFR.
But your arguments against them simply BFRing him via physical force don't hold water unless you can address and counter the points I made above.
