Most powerful things/entities in the Marvel Omniverse

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Franklin is one of the characters that fascinate me most in marvel. Makes me wish marvel would shake things up and do something like have 616 marvel start aging year by year(in real time). It would be a bold move and classic heroes would start getting too old but new heroes would step up. And we could see the real Franklin grow up into more of a beast than he already is. I hope this is something they consider if they ever think about shaking up the house like DC did with new 52. I think it could be an interesting way to get a ton of new stories.

Anyone heard of an idea like this before in comics? What do you guys think? 😗

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Originally posted by golem370
What about Nth Man?

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/mysteriu.htm

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup, that was 616 Eternity so it's a valid showing for the Infinites.

I imagine if they wanted to crush him, instead of forcing him into the Dimension of Manifestations. they could have.

If we discount retconned characters (since there's not point in mentioning them), IMHO it's :
TOAA
tHotU
Scathan
Protege (alive but imprisoned within the LT)
LT
Classic Infinity Gauntlet
The Infinites (don't know how they compare to the IG so playing it safe and placing them below it since it has more showings)
The Four Big Abstracts (Eternity/Infinity/Death/Oblivion), Chaos King

After this it doesn't even matter.

You mean the Infinites hand was larger than Eternity's M-Body.....
Since Eternity doesn't actually look like that since he is the universe itself. While manifesting in the 616 they dwarfed Eternity's M-Body and then again in the Dimension of Manifestations.

Originally posted by cpd12589
You mean the Infinites hand was larger than Eternity's M-Body.....
Since Eternity doesn't actually look like that since he is the universe itself. While manifesting in the 616 they dwarfed Eternity's M-Body and then again in the Dimension of Manifestations.

Brings up many questions.

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Yeah I definitely place Eternity and other abstracts like Death, Infinity and Oblivion above the Infinites. I mean the Infinites are no joke but not above Eternity. If you actually read that comic it just says that Eternity's M-Body began grappling with one of the Infinites hands and then they went to the Dimension of Manifestations where Thor and many other Earth heroes explained their importance in the Multiverse. Saying that the Infinite could've crushed Eternity with its hand is such a huge leap from what actually happened. Other than just "grappling" with Eternity's M-Body the Infinites didn't even fight Eternity. Their real conflict was with Thor and company. Which they communicated with the Infinites through Eternity. Also if Eternity is ever in any real danger then Captain Universe comes into play.

Doctor Strange regards Eternity as the most powerful being in the Omniverse other than the Living Tribunal(and of course The One Above All).

1. The One Above All
2. Pre Recon Beyonder
3. The Heart of the Universe(Heart of the Infinite)
4. Living Tribunal
5. Nemesis the Infinity Being
6. Infinity Gaunlet
7. Eternity and Infinity merged together
8. Full Powered Galactus with the Ultimate Nullifier
9. Abraxas/Eternity/Infinity/Full Powered Galactus/Death/Oblivion/Phoenix Force(the force itself not the avatars)
10. Infinites/The Seven Friendless/Zom/Sise-neg/Protege/Mikaboshi(Chaos King)
11. Cosmic Cube Beings and many other powerful entities could take this spot and so on

Originally posted by cpd12589
You mean the Infinites hand was larger than Eternity's M-Body.....
Since Eternity doesn't actually look like that since he is the universe itself. While manifesting in the 616 they dwarfed Eternity's M-Body and then again in the Dimension of Manifestations.

But the M-body is the representation of the Abstract and have access to the Abstract's power. The Infinites were shown to be > Eternity.

Originally posted by zopzop
But the M-body is the representation of the Abstract and have access to the Abstract's power. The Infinites were shown to be > Eternity.

Yeah but Eternity nor did the Infinites use any powers in the comic. All that happened was one of the Infinites grappled with Eternity's M-Body then went to the Dimension of Manifestations where Earth heroes communicated with the Infinites through Eternity.

Originally posted by cpd12589
Yeah but Eternity nor did the Infinites use any powers in the comic. All that happened was one of the Infinites grappled with Eternity's M-Body then went to the Dimension of Manifestations where Earth heroes communicated with the Infinites through Eternity.

Yes and the very fact that Eternity and the Avengers basically had to beg the Infinites to not go through with their plan tells us Infinites > Eternity. Otherwise he'dve put his foot down and beat their ass.

Originally posted by zopzop
But the M-body is the representation of the Abstract and have access to the Abstract's power. The Infinites were shown to be > Eternity.

And, obviously, Eternity's true body, (the 616 universe), is larger than the Infinites were shown to be.

Unless, you are of the opinion that what was viewed on panel, in a quantifiable size scale, was just a small-scale view of something that was happening on a much huger stage. 😄

Maybe what we saw, grappling with Enternity's m-body, was the Infinite's version of an m-body, reflecting their true scale and nature, which, in reality, actually DOES dwarf the 616 universe. 🙄

Don't get me going...

The way the comic words it is not anything like begging. It says the Avengers convinced the Infinites of the importance of their lives. Then one of the Infinites gave its life to reform the planet R-76 into a paradise. Either way Eternity was not even speaking to the Infinites once in the Dimension of Manifestations. Also Eternity's life force is much more than just the planet R-76, paradise or not.

Eternity did not feel threatened anyway and if he were in any real danger Captain Universe comes into play like I said.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes and the very fact that Eternity and the Avengers basically had to [b]beg the Infinites to not go through with their plan tells us Infinites > Eternity. Otherwise he'dve put his foot down and beat their ass. [/B]

Possibly, the begging was also in prevention of ANY conflict. To avoid conflict, even if Eternity could have one.

It could be argued that one of them only had enough power to resurrect a planet.

But, I'm just throwing possibilities out there.

And, how do we know that Captain Universe is really a "Captain" anyway? Maybe it's just a lie, to get chicks!

It could be like the way some characters always say they are "holding back". 🙄

Or, "the best there is at what they do...". 😛

Originally posted by cpd12589
The way the comic words it is not anything like begging. It says the Avengers convinced the Infinites of the importance of their lives. Then one of the Infinites gave its life to reform the planet R-76 into a paradise. Either way Eternity was not even speaking to the Infinites once in the Dimension of Manifestations. Also Eternity's life force is much more than just the planet R-76, paradise or not.

Eternity did not feel threatened anyway and if he were in any real danger Captain Universe comes into play like I said.

Trust me, that was begging and they dwarfed Eternity (not just his M-body) :
We must reach out to Eternity, the "cosmic all" :

Eternity struggles to stop the Infinite's hand and finds himself overpowered and dragged into the Dimension of Manifestations. He demands to know who they think they are messing with his reality :

They state they are GREATER than any single reality and tell him stfu, then the Avengers beg them to reconsider their actions by speaking through Eternity. Toward the end, they made up their minds and again FORCE Eternity back into 616 reality. Manhandling him like toy:

Yeah I agree with Horrificus. I believe that any conflict between the Infinites and Eternity would have presented unacceptable loses. And that's why Eternity helped the Avengers in saving themselves.

But the bottom line is that no powers were shown and based on what happened Eternity still seems superior to the Infinites. Or at least the Infinites have nothing backing them of being as powerful or more powerful than Eternity. All that is shown is they are powerful cosmic beings that are very large.

Originally posted by cpd12589
Yeah I agree with Horrificus. I believe that any conflict between the Infinites and Eternity would have presented unacceptable loses. And that's why Eternity helped the Avengers in saving themselves.

But the bottom line is that no powers were shown and based on what happened Eternity still seems superior to the Infinites. Or at least the Infinites have nothing backing them of being as powerful or more powerful than Eternity. All that is shown is they are powerful cosmic beings that are very large.

That manhandled Eternity and were only stopped by guilt tripping them.

The Infinites say they are greater than any single reality. But you do realize that Eternity is not just one reality right? Remember when Dormammu beat Eternity and merged with him.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuRemadesTheMultiverseInstead1.jpg

Eternity is the Multiverse. That's why when people say "616 Eternity" or "Multi-Eternity" it really doesn't make sense since they are the same thing.

Originally posted by cpd12589
The Infinites say they are greater than any single reality. But you do realize that Eternity is not just one reality right? Remember when Dormammu beat Eternity and merged with him.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuRemadesTheMultiverseInstead1.jpg

What's your point? It was Eternity himself who said "Who are you that threatens my reality" It was then that the Infinites responded by saying "We are greater than any single reality". So blame Eternity for not knowing he's not a single reality.

Eternity's universal/multiversal status is entirely writer-dependent anyway. In a few cases he's been depicted as multiversal--but more times than not he's written as a universal entity.

Originally posted by zopzop
What's your point? It was Eternity himself who said "Who are you that threatens my reality" It was then that the Infinites responded by saying "We are greater than any single reality". So blame Eternity for not knowing he's not a single reality.

lol agreed.

@galan007: calling Eternity a universal being isn't wrong because the universe exists within him. But so does many other universes. Other characters calling Eternity "the universe" may just be that character unaware that he is in fact the multiverse. Even Eternity referring to himself as "the universe" isn't necessarily wrong either. Eternity may just be referring to what is currently at hand or being discussed.

Originally posted by Galan007
Eternity's universal/multiversal status is entirely writer-dependent anyway. In a few cases he's been depicted as multiversal--but more times than not he's written as a universal entity.

I kinda view the Multi-Eternity and Universal Eternity as the same entity but different in terms of power level.Universal Eternity(616 or any version) can be viewed as a small portion of Multiversal Eternity.Multi-Eternity is the entirety of every Universal Eternity.There are billions of Universes in the Marvel Multiverse.So one can say there are billions of Eternity.