Most powerful things/entities in the Marvel Omniverse

^ Some comics have stated that 616 Eternity encompasses an infinite number of universes (the multiverse.) Most other comics, however, have Eternity encompass the 616 universe alone. ie. some writers make him multiversal, some writers make him universal.

That's what I was talking about.

Except there really is just one Eternity. Just like there is just one Infinity, one Oblivion, one Death and one Living Tribunal.

@galan007: I understood what you were saying. But for it to make sense in continuity Eternity is the Multiverse. Because if there is more than one Eternity there would also be multiple Infinity's, Oblivions, and Deaths. Which really wouldn't make sense in the whole spec of things since it is stated there is only one Oblivion.

Originally posted by cpd12589
Except there really is just one Eternity. Just like there is just one Infinity, one Oblivion, one Death and one Living Tribunal.

Is that really true? There are a handful of uniquely multiversal beings and I've never seen Infinity, Death, Oblivion or even Eternity mentioned among them.

I know the LT, Immortus, and believe it or not Rachel Summers are unique in the multiverse meaning there's only one of them period.

I always saw "Multi-Eternity" as merely a congress of Eternity and his infinite multiversal counterparts.

Originally posted by cpd12589
Except there really is just one Eternity.

Several other times, Eternity himself has referred to a single universe as "his totality", etc. All of Starlin's work, for instance, uses 616 Eternity as a UNIVERSAL being.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Some comics have stated that 616 Eternity encompasses an infinite number of universes (the multiverse.) Most other comics, however, have Eternity encompass the 616 universe alone. ie. some writers make him multiversal, some writers make him universal.

That's what I was talking about.

Oh you mean that.FFAnnual2001 stated that Earth-616 is the Prime Reality.I've always viewed that the word "Prime" means first or most important.But in this case, it seems to be both.Other Realitys actually came from Earth-616.Age of Apocalypse comes into mind when Watcher stated that AOA diverged in Reality-295.Meaning AOA was once Earth-616.So you could say Earth-616 created Earth-295.You can also include the What If's as well.

^ Still not quite what I'm saying, but I think we're on the same page nonetheless. 😛

I always felt that Eternity/616 did encompass a large number of pocket dimensions, such as Asgard, Olympus, the realms of many demons, etc.

This always seemed a good explanation of why What if? stories and other comic storylines showed alternate reality "Dimensional Rulers" from outside the 616. Because other universes WERE other Eternities, along with their own pocket dimensions and sub-universes, etc.

But, each universe/Eternity was kind of a hub for one of these groupings. And, each grouping, part of the Multiverse. Each Multiverse, part of the Omniverse, etc.

Originally posted by zopzop
Is that really true? There are a handful of uniquely multiversal beings and I've never seen Infinity, Death, Oblivion or even Eternity mentioned among them.

I know the LT, Immortus, and believe it or not Rachel Summers are unique in the multiverse meaning there's only one of them period.

I always saw "Multi-Eternity" as merely a congress of Eternity and his infinite multiversal counterparts.

Well there has to be only one Oblivion since he predates the Multiverse like the Phoenix Force does.

@horrificus: many of the "Dimensional Rulers" lie outside the multiverse in the omniverse. So they are outside of Eternity. Such as Shuma-Gorath in the Chaos Dimension or Dormammu in the Dark Dimension.

Originally posted by cpd12589
Well there has to be only one Oblivion since he predates the Multiverse like the Phoenix Force does.

Was it ever stated on panel that those two beings predate the creation of the multiverse? I'm pretty sure they both came into existence when the multiverse was created.

Originally posted by zopzop
Was it ever stated on panel that those two beings predate the creation of the multiverse? I'm pretty sure they both came into existence when the multiverse was created.

Actually I'm not completely sure about the Phoenix Force. Just that the Phoenix Force predates the Big Bang. But Oblivion claims to predate the multiverse and says he'll exist after it is gone.

Also kinda off topic. The conversations are much better on this website than on ComicVine. You guys are much more rational, open minded and easier to talk to.

Originally posted by cpd12589
Actually I'm not completely sure about the Phoenix Force. Just that the Phoenix Force predates the Big Bang. But Oblivion claims to predate the multiverse and says he'll exist after it is gone.

This seemed to imply he was created when the universe came into being (along with Eternity/Death/Infinity) :

Originally posted by zopzop
This seemed to imply he was created when the universe came into being (along with Eternity/Death/Infinity) :

??? It just says that if Maelstrom succeeded then he would've recreated Oblivion.

http://marvel.com/universe/Oblivion

Originally posted by cpd12589
Well there has to be only one Oblivion since he predates the Multiverse like the Phoenix Force does.

@horrificus: many of the "Dimensional Rulers" lie outside the multiverse in the omniverse. So they are outside of Eternity. Such as Shuma-Gorath in the Chaos Dimension or Dormammu in the Dark Dimension.

Originally posted by zopzop
Was it ever stated on panel that those two beings predate the creation of the multiverse? I'm pretty sure they both came into existence when the multiverse was created.

and the chaos king predates galactus' birth which makes no sense

and who knows how old the absolutes are

i have always wondered how old the celestials are

Originally posted by zopzop
This seemed to imply he was created when the universe came into being (along with Eternity/Death/Infinity) :

Originally posted by guy222
and the chaos king predates galactus' birth which makes no sense

and who knows how old the absolutes are

i have always wondered how old the celestials are

If they are, they could be incredibly old. Which would explain why they feel they have seniority in the pecking order of things.

the story about the absolutes is nice

over a trillion years old

some say they became celestials but who knows because they have never appeared again

The One Above All
Heart of the Universe
Pre Beyonder
Pre Molecule Man
Living Tribunal
Captain Britian w/Excalibur and Amulet of power/Merilyn/Sis-gen/Infinity Being/Eddfice Rex
Mad Jim Jasper/ HOM Scarlet Witch/ Insane Genis
Meggan -Absorbing the powers of Beyonders
Evil Molecule Man
Multi Eternity
Infinities/The Makers
Infintiy Guanlet
Ultimate Nullifier
Abraxas/Chaos King
Eternity/Infinity/Death/Oblivion/FP Galactus/7 friendlys
Galactus/Celestials/Chaos and Order/Love and Hate/Stranger/In-Betweener/Nebula(Kronus)
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Adamantium.

Molecule Man/Shaper of Worlds/Kubik/Cosmos
Atum the God-eater/ Demogorge/Set/Chthon/Gaea /Rune King Thor
Odin/Zeus/Vishnu/King Thor/Zuras/SA Mangog/Asgard Destroyer/Dormammu/Umar/Cyttorak/Surturu/other and hell lord & Skyfathers

Tyrant/Mangog/Kurse/Thanos/High Evolutionary/Magus/Lord Marv-ell/ OF Thor/Void-Sentry/ B&T Thor/

Thor/Silver Surfer/Beta Ray Bill/Gladiator/Sentry/ Adam Warlock/ Blue Marvel/ Hyperion 712/Sersi/ Meggan/Black Bolt/Hulk/Wonder Man/Classic Dr Strange