Originally posted by OneDumbG0 She manifested a visualization of a universe in her hands and the
phoenix flaring within that visualization was also a visualization.
We know a universe-sized phoenix didn't flare up and muck up that universe.
And nobody should seriously consider accepting that one was a
visualization while the other isn't... just because.
And the "telekinetic control of all those atoms" is a reference to
the atoms that made up Sublime.
Not the universe's atoms.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0 Which is why it makes no sense for any Phoenixes to
comfort/praise Jean for a feat she wasn't even accomplishing.
We've gone over this before and you've never remedied this incongruence of comment -> action.
That's fine.
And the only clear telekinetic feat at an atomic level that occurred
was extracting Sublime completely from Beast.
No. It was a comment in the past tense:
"Telekinetic control of all those atoms at once isn't as easy as it
sounds in training not even for a White Phoenix of the Crown."
And sounding it out in conversation aptly reveals that.
Example: Eli Manning just threw for 400 yds in a single game,
his brother comments,
"Passing for all those yards in a single game isn't as easy as it
sounds in training not even for a Manning."
That comment makes perfect sense in context.
Switch the order:
Eli's brother, Peyton, comments to Eli,
"Passing for all those yards in a single game isn't as easy as it
sounds in training not even for a Manning."
Manning goes on to pass for 400 yards in a game (and then does it
-- without even knowing what he's doing). Peyton had no context
for making that comment unsolicited before the feat actually occurred.
The latter is your interpretation and the English language does not lend itself to that.
Grant Morrison's writing may be dense and layered,
but he isn't daft. It's past tense. Clearly.
And she just accomplished a telekinetic feat at the atomic level by
extracting Sublime. Furthermore, we know bottom-line that
half of what appears in her hands is a symbolic visualization. There
is every reason to believe that the rest of it is also a symbolic
visualization (unless you want PotWC to have a completely needless feat).
These are just the two most glaring reasons why your interpretation is incorrect.
You're never going to get over that.
👆
To add to that ...
The Force betting blown into billions of pieces isn't a fluke or pis.
It happened again when the Shiar ripped it back to reality by force
and consequently shattered it again.
An Alien Ship impaled the Force, drained it and nearly killed it.
6 heroes (5 from the Ultraverse and Rogue) battered and tired,
stalemated and then drove back the Force into a portal displacing it across space-time.
btw. This isn't an avatar we're talking about, this is the actual Phoenix Force.
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The Force is powerful, no doubt, Universal when it's at its best,
but its durability is paltry to say the least.
Also,
Jean never held any Timeline in her hands,
that was Sublime's atoms she was controlling,
not the visualization of reality 15104 in her hands.
She did however alter that HCT-Reality by time traveling to the past,
and changing Scotts's mind about staying with the X-Men.
This in-turn assured Sublime would never rise in this possible alternate future.
Anyway, Jean amputated the future of reality 15104
by removing Sublime's atoms from reality and transferring said atoms into the WHR.
"telekinetic control of all those atoms isn't as easy as it sounds, even for a WPotC"
Scott created Reality 15104 (HCT) via a decision. (leaving the X-Men)
Scott altered Reality 15104 when he changed his mind (via Jean mind rape)
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She did alter that possible alternate future actually,
but it was in-directly as I explained. (via the Scott mind rape)
Yea, it didn't make sense to me for a good while, I believe I was wrong then,
even though I disputed the exaggeration of the feat,
I still thought she actually did have an actual Universe in her hands,
but then I brought in facts as to why it was not and could not have been 616.
Nowadays, I understand that it was never an actual Universe to begin with, (ODG shares credit)
that it was simply a visualization of a damaged Universe (reality 15104)
and while it was dis-infected of Sublime by then, (future amputation)
the mess left behind was still there, X-Men were dead, and there was chaos,
so in order for Jean to prevent that future (15104) from even possibly happening,
she reached into 616 to the moment where Scott made his decision to leave the X-men,
which is what initially diverged Reality 15104 to begin with,
and so she made him change his mind about leaving,
this in turn, nullified 15104, since Scott never made the decision to create it.
Remember, all alternate possible future diverge/derive from 616,
and every character from Bishop to Guardians of the Galaxy that
altered their futures did it by traveling back to 616 and changing something.
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