Originally posted by Galan007That's what happens when you just look at pictures and scans and don't actually read the comics.
I thought the instance was clear.Some of Imperiex's blast hit Supes--that's why he was 'burning'. However, Darkseid transported Superman away from said blast, just before he was killed. All of this was explicitly stated:
Where did Darkseid teleport Supes to? Right next to earth:
Why would he do that? Because Apokolips was right next to earth at the time:
If Superman would have been teleported into the sun (which wasn't even alluded to, btw), he would have been AMPED.... But he clearly wasn't. Why the hell blatant facts like this are argued with blows my mind.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I find myself agreeing with your positions a lot on this forum, but here I think you're wrong. Superman's durability is so far beyond Thor's it's really silly to argue otherwise. Do you really think Superman would get cut up by Wolverine like Thor was? Yeah, Superman was cut up by Doomsday, as some others have stated, but to compare that to WOLVERINE....that's preposterous. As far as this thread goes, I would say the Dark Avengers and U-Foes would NOT be able to KO Superman with that blast. And yeah, it's a good point that piercing durability wouldn't matter much in a fight between Superman and Thor, but the fact that thor can be pierced easier, can be taken as evidence that Superman's overall durability is better. Thor's been one-shot A LOT lately. Diablo, Amadeus Cho, etc.Here's how we can break this down:
Superman, weakened, survived an explosion equal to 50 supernovas.
Thor, died from one NOVA.
Head to head:
Superman beat Thor. (and yes, it was canon)
Piercing: We already covered this in this thread. Superman is far more impressive in this category.
High end showings: Superman has more, and more impressive. BTW: Saying Thor has survived attacks from Odin? Does anyone think Odin was trying to kill Thor? Doubtful.
Low end showings: Many of Superman's have extenuating circumstances (not all, admittedly), but Thor has more without extenuating circumstances.
Magic: Thor wins here. But even here, not by as much as some people think.
Consistency: Superman has more REALLY high end showings over a longer period of time. Compared to Thor, there's no context here.
This post is just terrible. Also, Wolverine should be able to cut Supes.
Originally posted by ExistereThey both store solar energy and I don't have the rest of the arc on my pc anymore to re-leaf through it.
Because Superman's made of different stuff than Doomsday and burns under different conditions.It's not a lot to base your sun-theory on.
Originally posted by -Pr-I just read the scans posted. It's been years since I read the arc. I don't have the totality of the arc on this pc. Seems he was transported away from the blast which explains why he survived and Doomsday did not.
Not really. If Superman was burning because of the sun, it would be hurting him, which basically pisses all over your assertion that he was somehow boosted by his own power source. You're breaking your own logic in your desperate attempt to make Superman look bad.😬
Superman doesn't burn in the sun, ergo, the sun isn't what set him on fire.
What point are you actually trying to make here?
Originally posted by Delta1938It seems Superman was saved by the same blast/attack which would have killed Superman as well had he not been saved. Didn't you originally try posting this as proof of Superman tanking the same attack Doomsday withstood ? I think the scans also proved you forgot Superman didn't withstand the brunt of the blast either.
How does it make sense that Doomsday would be hurt, let alone reduced to merely a skeleton, by his bacteria being expunged? You already said you don't think Doomsday is powered by bacteria, so don't go trying to say that.
Originally posted by Delta1938The un is an extension of his power. You pulled a "delta" earlier when you said Superman tanked a blast from Imperiex Prime when he was saved from getting hit by the same blast which killed Doomsday.
Oh so Galactus using an artifact instead of his own natural power makes him more powerful? Gotcha, another Quan. Oh by the way, you've proven you have no problem with being a hypocrite so often I'm just calling it a "Quan."
No double standard.
So, in other words, you've got nothing but confirmation you're using a double standard? Second Quan you pulled in a row.I still disagree.[/B]
It doesn't mean you are right either.
You can disagree all you want. It doesn't mean you're right.[/B]
I am not looking through your entire photobucket or clicking on the links. You can leave pages out and really take something out of context like the example you gave of Superman who was saved by Imperiex by Darkseid. That's leaving out context drawing out a false comparison.The issue number's in the link..... ACTION COMICS #770 since you appear to need everything spelled-out for you.[/B]
I actually don't swing that way unlike you I don't spend my time putting together scrap books of Hulk scans. Your attempts at comedy do not pass go.
Actually, I did not. Cheering you would mean I was actually encouraging you. What I was doing was mocking you about your double standards,not encouraging you. And I put no disturbing image in your mind. YOU are the one who thought of me with the skirt and pom poms. But hey, if you swing that way, well I'm not going to say there's nothing wrong with that, because I completely disagree. But your choice, just keep me out of your fantasies, please.[/B]
I attract a lot of attention. I am used to it. It's the internet, bro. This is just comic book debating so please don't take yourself that seriously. I get the sense you're one of "those" people though.
Some people have certainly laughed at the jokes I've made. If you don't like mine, either you've got a different sense of humor, or you don't like it because it's humorously emphasizing that you're a hypocrite. Which you are. [/B]
Originally posted by carver9
Correction to this...Superman almost died from Imperiex attack. Darkseid saved him. Not a good example imo but the rest are on point (need to reread them to make sure).
Considering he survived a similar blast that killed Doomsday, it is impressive. I never argued he would've survived it indefinitely.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The un is an extension of his power.
If it is, that kinda contradicts that Galactus was afraid of it being used against him. Similar to your argument that Superman was being burned by the Sun to "prove" he was blasted into the Sun. Also, it doesn't change the fact that you're still using Character X not using his/her/it's full power against Superman to dismiss the feat, but ignoring that Character Y didn't use full power attacks against Thor.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You pulled a "delta" earlier when you said Superman tanked a blast from Imperiex Prime when he was saved from getting hit by the same blast which killed Doomsday.
Now where did I ever say that Superman tanked the blast? Superman survived a similar sized blast for what appeared to be a similar duration as Doomsday and survived. That's impressive. Not surviving it indefinitely is irrelevant, especially because I never said he tanked it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No double standard.
Yes, it is a double standard. Superman surviving Imperiex Prime's blast isn't impressive because Imperiex Prime wasn't using his full power, yet Thor surviving Odin's attack is impressive, even though Odin didn't use Galaxy-Busting Force to attack. That's the entire argument you've been making, it's a text book example of a double standard.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't mean you are right either.
Oh, but I am right. Normally I don't like using the "Appeal To The Majority" argument, but the fact is that nobody has agreed with you that Superman was blasted into the Sun, and for a reason. That's not what happened. Not only are they disagreeing with you, but some have provided scans to show that you're wrong. This looks like a case where you're EMBARRASSINGLY wrong and refuse to admit it, 'cuz you can't possibly fathom ever being wrong. Much like expunging bacteria on Doomsday. You notice, nobody agrees with you there on taking it literally, either.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not looking through your entire photobucket or clicking on the links. You can leave pages out and really take something out of context--
I didn't post anything out of context. If I make the scans myself, I include the full context. It's one thing to argue me misinterpreting something, but I wouldn't post something out of context intentionally unless I'm making a point. And when I do that, I make it CLEAR I'm making a point. I had the full fight between Superman and Emperor Joker there.
And by your argument, why should I trust any of your scans? You've already proven multiple times that at best for you, you're misinterpreting what happened. And you stick to it even when you've CLEARLY been proven wrong, which implies flat-out dishonesty on your part.
Originally posted by quanchi112
--like the example you gave of Superman who was saved by Imperiex by Darkseid. That's leaving out context drawing out a false comparison.
Except, I didn't leave-out any context. I pointed-out, Superman took the blast of a similar size for what appeared to be a similar duration of what Doomsday took. You saying I said Superman tanked the blast when I didn't say it doesn't mean I'm leaving-out context or drawing a false comparison. I could always just say you're a liar and making-up me saying he tanked it to bolster your argument against me, but you wouldn't like that, would you? Much like I don't like being accused of purposely posting things out of context.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I actually don't swing that way unlike you I don't spend my time putting together scrap books of Hulk scans. Your attempts at comedy do not pass go.
Making "scrap books of Hulk scans" makes me homosexual? I guess you ARE in the closest and the desperation of hiding it makes you throw logic out the window worse than usual.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I attract a lot of attention. I am used to it. It's the internet, bro. This is just comic book debating so please don't take yourself that seriously. I get the sense you're one of "those" people though.
You asked if anyone considers my jokes funny. AND you asked for a serious answer. I gave a serious answer. And how does it being the Internet and "just comic book debating" mean you're not a hypocrite? Maybe you aren't offline, but you've clearly been using double standards left and right here.
