Superman vs Thor

Started by carver919 pages

Originally posted by Delta1938
Considering he survived a similar blast that killed Doomsday, it is impressive. I never argued he would've survived it indefinitely.

If it is, that kinda contradicts that Galactus was afraid of it being used against him. Similar to your argument that Superman was being burned by the Sun to "prove" he was blasted into the Sun. Also, it doesn't change the fact that you're still using Character X not using his/her/it's full power against Superman to dismiss the feat, but ignoring that Character Y didn't use full power attacks against Thor.

Now where did I ever say that Superman tanked the blast? Superman survived a similar sized blast for what appeared to be a similar duration as Doomsday and survived. That's impressive. Not surviving it indefinitely is irrelevant, especially because I never said he tanked it.

Yes, it is a double standard. Superman surviving Imperiex Prime's blast isn't impressive because Imperiex Prime wasn't using his full power, yet Thor surviving Odin's attack is impressive, even though Odin didn't use Galaxy-Busting Force to attack. That's the entire argument you've been making, it's a text book example of a double standard.

Oh, but I am right. Normally I don't like using the "Appeal To The Majority" argument, but the fact is that nobody has agreed with you that Superman was blasted into the Sun, and for a reason. That's not what happened. Not only are they disagreeing with you, but some have provided scans to show that you're wrong. This looks like a case where you're EMBARRASSINGLY wrong and refuse to admit it, 'cuz you can't possibly fathom ever being wrong. Much like expunging bacteria on Doomsday. You notice, nobody agrees with you there on taking it literally, either.

I didn't post anything out of context. If I make the scans myself, I include the full context. It's one thing to argue me misinterpreting something, but I wouldn't post something out of context intentionally unless I'm making a point. And when I do that, I make it CLEAR I'm making a point. I had the full fight between Superman and Emperor Joker there.

And by your argument, why should I trust any of your scans? You've already proven multiple times that at best for you, you're misinterpreting what happened. And you stick to it even when you've CLEARLY been proven wrong, which implies flat-out dishonesty on your part.

Except, I didn't leave-out any context. I pointed-out, Superman took the blast of a similar size for what appeared to be a similar duration of what Doomsday took. You saying I said Superman tanked the blast when I didn't say it doesn't mean I'm leaving-out context or drawing a false comparison. I could always just say you're a liar and making-up me saying he tanked it to bolster your argument against me, but you wouldn't like that, would you? Much like I don't like being accused of purposely posting things out of context.

Making "scrap books of Hulk scans" makes me homosexual? I guess you ARE in the closest and the desperation of hiding it makes you throw logic out the window worse than usual.

You asked if anyone considers my jokes funny. AND you asked for a serious answer. I gave a serious answer. And how does it being the Internet and "just comic book debating" mean you're not a hypocrite? Maybe you aren't offline, but you've clearly been using double standards left and right here.

But an argument could be made that "looking at Thor fts against Abstracts similar to Imperiex, Thor probably could have survived the attack without any outside interference. Hell, looking at Thor fts, not only would he have probably survived it, he probably would have had enough energy and power to do a counter attack. Again, that's looking at Thor showings against similar beings (he has even damaged beings in Imperiex tier).

Originally posted by carver9
They were not amped but it isn't a bad showing for Thor either. First, he was still standing after the attack and was pissed. Second, the people that blasted him are hellava powerful. Vector alone has fts that puts him in low to mid trans.

Really?I thought the Dark Avengers and U-foes were amped.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsVoid03.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
But an argument could be made that "looking at Thor fts against Abstracts similar to Imperiex, Thor probably could have survived the attack without any outside interference. Hell, looking at Thor fts, not only would he have probably survived it, he probably would have had enough energy and power to do a counter attack. Again, that's looking at Thor showings against similar beings (he has even damaged beings in Imperiex tier).

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Originally posted by Igniz
Really?I thought the Dark Avengers and U-foes were amped.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsVoid03.jpg

They were amped Carver well ya its carver enough said

Originally posted by carver9
Thor probably could have survived the attack without any outside interference. Hell, looking at Thor fts, not only would he have probably survived it, he probably would have had enough energy and power to do a counter attack..

Originally posted by Juntai
Normally I would agree with you against carver but Thor has taken attacks by the Celestial Host. He actually did better against them then the Destroyer did weirdly enough 😛

I still give Superman the nod in Durability though.

Originally posted by Newjak
Normally I would agree with you against carver but Thor has taken attacks by the Celestial Host. He actually did better against them then the Destroyer did weirdly enough 😛

I still give Superman the nod in Durability though.

Imperiex's power is entropy, and wipes out galaxies. Suggesting Thor is not only going to be OK from an attack that insta-killed Doomsday, but is going to continue fighting doesn't seem rational to me. As Doomsday has higher durability, healing, adaptability, etc.

Originally posted by Juntai
Imperiex's power is entropy, and wipes out galaxies. Suggesting Thor is not only going to be OK from an attack that insta-killed Doomsday, but is going to continue fighting doesn't seem rational to me.
And the Destroyer was being powered by Multiple Skyfathers one of whom is a known multiple galaxy destroyer, yet Thor did manage to go on fighting after attacks that put that Destroyer down.

So it seems as rational to me as Superman surviving something that nuked Doomsday, who is generally portrayed as Superman's physical equal, or in some people's opinions better, in most regards.

Thor has also 'resisted/not got crushed by' the force of a Neutron Star, I've also seen Superman koed by one Supernova(I know not his best showing)

But the point being just because you don't think it would be rational for Thor to survive because Doomsday didn't means jack and squat. This is comics weird things happen all the time, and Thor is not a slouch is the point.

They'd probably have Thor just use Mjolnir to absorb/redirect/whatever the energies anyway with Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Newjak
And the Destroyer was being powered by Multiple Skyfathers one of whom is a known multiple galaxy destroyer, yet Thor did manage to go on fighting after attacks that put that Destroyer down.

So it seems as rational to me as Superman surviving something that nuked Doomsday, who is generally portrayed as Superman's physical equal, or in some people's opinions better, in most regards.

Thor has also 'resisted/not got crushed by' the force of a Neutron Star, I've also seen Superman koed by one Supernova(I know not his best showing)

But the point being just because you don't think it would be rational for Thor to survive because Doomsday didn't means jack and squat. This is comics weird things happen all the time, and Thor is not a slouch is the point.

Superman was saved from being wiped out there.
I never said Thor was a slouch, but any attack that will insta-kill Doomsday or Superman, I don't see him surviving and still having enough to actually fight and hurt Imperiex Prime afterwards. Believing that will require the idea that Thor is simply on a different level than Superman or Doomsday, which just isn't true.

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Originally posted by Juntai
Superman was saved from being wiped out there.
I never said Thor was a slouch, but any attack that will insta-kill Doomsday or Superman, I don't see him surviving and still having enough to actually fight and hurt Imperiex Prime afterwards. Believing that will require the idea that Thor is simply on a different level than Superman or Doomsday, which just isn't true.
I'm sorry I was under the impression you were trying to say Superman tanked the blast that killed Doomsday, if he got saved that's different.

I'm not trying to say Thor is higher in the food chain then Superman Durability wise. I've already given the nod to Superman in durability I just thought you were trying to use that as an example of trying to say Superman is leagues and leagues above Thor.

I was trying to say if Superman can survive it then Thor has a chance to. If Superman was going to die then so would Thor 😛

Originally posted by Newjak
I'm sorry I was under the impression you were trying to say Superman tanked the blast that killed Doomsday, if he got saved that's different.

I'm not trying to say Thor is higher in the food chain then Superman Durability wise. I've already given the nod to Superman in durability I just thought you were trying to use that as an example of trying to say Superman is leagues and leagues above Thor.

I was trying to say if Superman can survive it then Thor has a chance to. If Superman was going to die then so would Thor 😛

That's why I quoted where Carver suggested he could survive it without outside interference[being saved] and fight on, and put a no face.

Originally posted by Juntai
That's why I quoted where Carver suggested he could survive it without outside interference[being saved] and fight on, and put a no face.
Yeah I get that now 😛

Plus I tend to ignore carver's posts.

Also I thought I read somewhere where it looked like someone else was quoting that feat to prove Superman was leaps and bounds better than Thor.

But now we are on the same page and I will agree with you in that Thor will not survive a direct hit from something that would insta kill Superman.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah I get that now 😛

Plus I tend to ignore carver's posts.

Also I thought I read somewhere where it looked like someone else was quoting that feat to prove Superman was leaps and bounds better than Thor.

But now we are on the same page and I will agree with you.

Well, I think he got partially hit, and it still rocked him, but was saved from the same fate as Doomsday.

He's on ignore, but I've been having fun with him lately, so I've been reading some of his posts. Same with Quan.

Originally posted by Newjak

Thor has also 'resisted/not got crushed by' the force of a Neutron Star, I've also seen Superman koed by one Supernova(I know not his best showing)

🤓 Pardon me, but this has to be corrected:

Thor has also 'resisted/not got crushed by' Thor resists the gravimetric pull AKIN to "that of a neutron star" and busts out, I've also seen Superman koed by one SUPERnova at 1st planet range (I know not his best showing)

That's it.

Originally posted by Juntai
Well, I think he got partially hit, and it still rocked him, but was saved from the same fate as Doomsday.

He's on ignore, but I've been having fun with him lately, so I've been reading some of his posts. Same with Quan.

Cool, I hope you keep your sanity then

Originally posted by biensalsa
🤓 Pardon me, but this has to be corrected:

Thor has also 'resisted/not got crushed by' Thor resists the gravimetric pull AKIN to "that of a neutron star" and busts out, I've also seen Superman koed by one SUPERnova at 1st planet range (I know not his best showing)

That's it.

Oh I'm so sorry that changes those two ridiculous feats so much and makes them so out of balance with each other 😛

Originally posted by Newjak
Cool, I hope you keep your sanity then

Oh I'm so sorry that changes those two ridiculous feats so much and makes them so out of balance with each other 😛

😊

Originally posted by Delta1938
Considering he survived a similar blast that killed Doomsday, it is impressive. I never argued he would've survived it indefinitely.
You cited it minus the context. I assume you forgot and needed to releaf through the issue like myself. I just didn't have the continuation which explained what happened in detail.


If it is, that kinda contradicts that Galactus was afraid of it being used against him. Similar to your argument that Superman was being burned by the Sun to "prove" he was blasted into the Sun. Also, it doesn't change the fact that you're still using Character X not using his/her/it's full power against Superman to dismiss the feat, but ignoring that Character Y didn't use full power attacks against Thor.
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It can be used against him but is his tech. You yourself weren't aware what had occurred next just like I said. You falsely compared to it to the same blast Doomsday died from. Superman was saved from the brunt of it. Dd wasn't. The only reason Superman survived was due to Darkseid's interference. Pretty cut and dry.


Now where did I ever say that Superman tanked the blast? Superman survived a similar sized blast for what appeared to be a similar duration as Doomsday and survived. That's impressive. Not surviving it indefinitely is irrelevant, especially because I never said he tanked it.[/B]
You either left out the context purposely which is dishonest or because you forgot about the details. I hope it's the latter. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt here.


Yes, it is a double standard. Superman surviving Imperiex Prime's blast isn't impressive because Imperiex Prime wasn't using his full power, yet Thor surviving Odin's attack is impressive, even though Odin didn't use Galaxy-Busting Force to attack. That's the entire argument you've been making, it's a text book example of a double standard.[/B]
It is different because Thor wasn't teleported away by someone else to protect himself from Odin's fury. Superman was. Apples to oranges, teargas. Context is a sonofabitch.


Oh, but I am right. Normally I don't like using the "Appeal To The Majority" argument, but the fact is that nobody has agreed with you that Superman was blasted into the Sun, and for a reason. That's not what happened. Not only are they disagreeing with you, but some have provided scans to show that you're wrong. This looks like a case where you're EMBARRASSINGLY wrong and refuse to admit it, 'cuz you can't possibly fathom ever being wrong. Much like expunging bacteria on Doomsday. You notice, nobody agrees with you there on taking it literally, either.[/B]
I already admitted I didn't have the next issue on my pc. But in the same vein leaving out Superman was saved by an attack from Imperiex Prime before he was hit by the brunt of it isn't the same thing then what happened to Doomsday.


I didn't post anything out of context. If I make the scans myself, I include the full context. It's one thing to argue me misinterpreting something, but I wouldn't post something out of context intentionally unless I'm making a point. And when I do that, I make it CLEAR I'm making a point. I had the full fight between Superman and Emperor Joker there.[/B]
I'd rather have the issue in front of me considering you just falsely painted Superman survived an Imperiex Prime attack when he was saved on panel by someone else. That's the only reason he survived the attack. Who knows what other goodies I will leaf through the EJ arc.

And by your argument, why should I trust any of your scans? You've already proven multiple times that at best for you, you're misinterpreting what happened. And you stick to it even when you've CLEARLY been proven wrong, which implies flat-out dishonesty on your part.[/B]
I admitted I didn't have the continuing issue on my pc. If I had I wouldn't have claimed what I claimed. You can pretend I didn't admit this upon revisiting the scans and scream to the heavens above if it makes you feel better. The context takes away from the feat because he needed help to survive. The instances I used with Thor is him just surviving the attacks without any assistance from anyone else.


Except, I didn't leave-out any context. I pointed-out, Superman took the blast of a similar size for what appeared to be a similar duration of what Doomsday took. You saying I said Superman tanked the blast when I didn't say it doesn't mean I'm leaving-out context or drawing a false comparison. I could always just say you're a liar and making-up me saying he tanked it to bolster your argument against me, but you wouldn't like that, would you? Much like I don't like being accused of purposely posting things out of context.[/B]
It's comparing an apple to an orange. You don't get to cite him surviving Imperiex Prime without saying he was saved by Darkseid. That doesn't mean he just survived on his own. Thor survived on his own against Odin's attacks. That's why I used them as examples.


Making "scrap books of Hulk scans" makes me homosexual? I guess you ARE in the closest and the desperation of hiding it makes you throw logic out the window worse than usual.[/B]
When did I say a homo ?


You asked if anyone considers my jokes funny. AND you asked for a serious answer. I gave a serious answer. And how does it being the Internet and "just comic book debating" mean you're not a hypocrite? Maybe you aren't offline, but you've clearly been using double standards left and right here. [/B]
I wasn't being serious I was being sarcastic. Just take a break and come back tomorrow after you have had a chance to cool down.

Originally posted by Juntai

He's on ignore, but I've been having fun with him lately, so I've been reading some of his posts. Same with Quan.
This from the guy who thinks you can tank a crowbar to the face if you're having a bad day. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112

This from the guy who thinks you can tank a crowbar to the face if you're having a bad day. 😂
I never said that, you made that wild comparison. However, I already backed up my statement and gave clear-cut examples regarding Superman's mood change and his ability and durability, under circumstance versus his normal levels.

Your whole stance was terrible and you were proven wrong over and over again in the thread until a mod had to stop your trolling.

Now run along and quit trying to incite me just because you know I'm reading some of your posts.