Originally posted by dmills
^^^ See, now I was all prepared to make a long response with scans etc but then I read your comments above and it looks like you're doing it again. If the gist of the discussion is going to be me posting scans up against a lot of highfalutin statements about Doom than we're done here as far as I'm concerned.If you care to continue the discussion then I ask that you start with the scans that I posted on page 4 of this thread. What I posted was pretty much standard Nova tactics in battle. Shields, blasting, high speed maneuvers etc. When pinned down he tends to go eye blast or full body grav pulse. That's how he'd likely approach Doom at the outset.
On second thought. Lord knows that I don't generally like to run right to the speed card. However due to the way that this debate is being framed, ie people saying things like Doom would just simply take the worldmind, I feel obliged to use that card. Fight starts at .5 km. Rider could close that distance in an eye blink...
The speed of a standard Nova centurion.
http://db.tt/WNkLLL6g
http://db.tt/0hmUe7D7
http://db.tt/0HhjNEKmMoving faster then another super speedster could register...
http://db.tt/5HQAEvCp
http://db.tt/tPWBq3g0Random speed feats
http://db.tt/jBfXYBdF
http://db.tt/F4WzoVg6
http://db.tt/qAixjLZChttp://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1323376196117-picsay.jpg
To drive the point home even further. An extreme example but phuck it, I'm annoyed now. Here he snatches the Ka stone and flies to within proximity of the sun and back in the time it takes the Sphinx to utter No. Noooo!
http://db.tt/iUCHSUO7
http://db.tt/8gTSrWppSo those are a few examples of the speed he brings to the table. In turn I ask to see ON PANEL evidence that Doom would be able to react or counter it. Then we can proceed.
Originally posted by dmillsThanks for the scans. Don't be annoyed. I am not the type to just take for granted that "Doom takes the Worldmind", etc. I am very "scan-oriented". If I wanted to prove that Doom could take the Worldmind, I would come up with some on-panel feats to back it up.
^^^ See, now I was all prepared to make a long response with scans etc but then I read your comments above and it looks like you're doing it again. If the gist of the discussion is going to be me posting scans up against a lot of highfalutin statements about Doom than we're done here as far as I'm concerned.If you care to continue the discussion then I ask that you start with the scans that I posted on page 4 of this thread. What I posted was pretty much standard Nova tactics in battle. Shields, blasting, high speed maneuvers etc. When pinned down he tends to go eye blast or full body grav pulse. That's how he'd likely approach Doom at the outset.
On second thought. Lord knows that I don't generally like to run right to the speed card. However due to the way that this debate is being framed, ie people saying things like Doom would just simply take the worldmind, I feel obliged to use that card. Fight starts at .5 km. Rider could close that distance in an eye blink...
The speed of a standard Nova centurion.
http://db.tt/WNkLLL6g
http://db.tt/0hmUe7D7
http://db.tt/0HhjNEKmMoving faster then another super speedster could register...
http://db.tt/5HQAEvCp
http://db.tt/tPWBq3g0Random speed feats
http://db.tt/jBfXYBdF
http://db.tt/F4WzoVg6
http://db.tt/qAixjLZChttp://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1323376196117-picsay.jpg
To drive the point home even further. An extreme example but phuck it, I'm annoyed now. Here he snatches the Ka stone and flies to within proximity of the sun and back in the time it takes the Sphinx to utter No. Noooo!
http://db.tt/iUCHSUO7
http://db.tt/8gTSrWppSo those are a few examples of the speed he brings to the table. In turn I ask to see ON PANEL evidence that Doom would be able to react or counter it. Then we can proceed.
The personality-based statements I made are just the foundation for why I think Doom would win. The reason behind the feats he has. Not the feats themselves.
Thanks again for posting the scans and your statements. I'm going to check them out now.
Get back to you.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Thanks for the scans. Don't be annoyed. I am not the type to just take for granted that "Doom takes the Worldmind", etc. I am very "scan-oriented". If I wanted to prove that Doom could take the Worldmind, I would come up with some on-panel feats to back it up.The personality-based statements I made are just the foundation for why I think Doom would win. The reason behind the feats he has. Not the feats themselves.
Thanks again for posting the scans and your statements. I'm going to check them out now.
Get back to you.
Apologies for my chippyness. It was 3am my my time when I posted lol.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Good post, but that sphinx scene is a little hard to place as how fast nova was going. We see sphinx shouting no two times, first when nova snatches the stones and the second where he see them being tossed in the sun.
The Sphinx's mouth, hand gestures, Nova coming back saying yes as he smashes him to pieces etc all show one fluid sequence. It was clearly meant as a speed depiction imo.
Originally posted by dmills
Brother I'm a lot of things, but a mathematician ain't one of em 😂I think Cosmic Comet (he's pretty good at that stuff) had it at a few times faster then light or some such.
Rest assured in the next superman vs nova thread, carver is going to argue that nova would blitz superman.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I think a couple of lightspeed is fine. Not bad for someone like nova.uhuhRest assured in the next superman vs nova thread, carver is going to argue that nova would blitz superman.
Carver and I have an understanding. He is not allowed under any circumstances to rep Nova. Ever.
What's funny though is that Carver actually votes against Nova in a lot of threads. Unless of course, its against a DC character. Who'da thunk it 😱
Originally posted by dmills
Carver and I have an understanding. He is not allowed under any circumstances to rep Nova. Ever.
Just watch it, carver starts repping nova and the whole forum would know what kind of beast "Dick ryder" truly is.nahuh
What's funny though is that Carver actually votes against Nova in a lot of threads. Unless of course, its against a DC character. Who'da thunk it 😱
Originally posted by dmills
Brother I'm a lot of things, but a mathematician ain't one of em 😂I think Cosmic Comet (he's pretty good at that stuff) had it at a few times faster then light or some such.
I felt compelled to look up the exact PM response, and I had a lot to sort through.
dur
I said:
It's tough man. We have no way of knowing how far away from the sun he's supposed to be. As small as he is compared to the sun, I feel it would look a lot bigger in that panel if he was meant to be really close to it (or at least he would look a lot smaller in the panel). I mean, imagine if instead of richard being in that panel with the sun, there is a planet taking up the same space that he did. You know what I mean? One wouldn't think the distance is all that close if that were the case. Hmm...I'm going to go ahead and say that he at least traveled the same distance the moon is from the earth when he finally threw it. From Richard saying "I'll take that..." all the way to him saying "heave ho" took about 9 seconds for me to read. So lets say it took him 9 seconds to go from where he was, to the distance of the moon. Average distance from earth to moon is 238,857 miles. Lightspeed is about 186,282 miles per second. So it would take light about 1.3 seconds to travel that distance. So Richard was going ~14.4% of lightspeed. there. But on the way back it seemed he was going a fair bit faster as it would've taken him maybe 2 seconds at most--using Sphinx's longwinded 'NOOOOO', and Richard saying 'yes!' as the timeframe. So like ~65% of lightspeed on the way back. Actually, since I'm saying he only went as far as the moon's distance, the most impressive thing here is how fast the Ka stone flew when he threw it. It takes light 8 minutes and some change to go travel the distance between the sun and earth. between the sun and moon we'd only have to shave off 1.3 seconds from that. So lets just say it takes light a flat 8 minutes to travel from the sun to the moon. Richard threw it into the sun in the time frame it took for Sphinx to say NOOOO. So lets say a full second. 1 second vs 8 minutes or 480 seconds. That means the stone was traveling at 480 times the speed of light. That gives us an idea of his arm speed as well. An MLB pitcher can throw a baseball at up to 100 mph, and when he's pitching, his finger tips actually would be moving at 100 mph relative to the ground at the point of release. His arm itself would be moving slower, but I imagine it would still be moving a fair percentage of the baseball's speed. The average person can throw a punch at 20 mph. 20% of that baseball's speed (i imagine as conditioned as an mlb player is going to be, they can probably throw a punch at least a bit faster than 20 mph too). So whatever, lets just say richard can throw a punch at 10 to 20% of the speed he threw the Ka stone at. Meaning still dozens of times faster than lightspeed. Everyone already knows Richard can fly really fukking fast, so this actually worked out better for you; The closer he is to the earth, the better the speed of the throw, and indirectly his arm speed, has to be.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
I felt compelled to look up the exact PM response, and I had a lot to sort through.dur
I said:
But I think we settled on halfway to the sun. I also think that we shouldn't incorporate the speedster's dialouge because his mental processes are vastly accelerated. The sphinx's perspective would be the key focal point imo. Also just from a logical stand point it wouldn't make sense for the sphinx to literally stand there for 9 seconds shouting no in the same pose.
Originally posted by dmills
But I think we settled on halfway to the sun. I also think that we shouldn't incorporate the speedster's dialouge because his mental processes are vastly accelerated. The sphinx's perspective would be the key focal point imo. Also just from a logical stand point it wouldn't make sense for the sphinx to literally stand there for 9 seconds shouting no in the same pose.
We are forced to incorporate that, in order to get a quantifiable minimum.
