Originally posted by abhilegend
That's essentialy what all doom fanboys think. I mean c'mon, its funny for awhile but gets really old, really fast.
And to some degree, they're not without merit, but sheesh.
There are very good reasons to think Doom would win here and Rider certainly isn't the biggest gun that he's come across. Far from it in fact. But styles make fights, as is the case here imo.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I remember an old CBR thread where the OP stipulated no magic, someone came in and said Doom uses magic to win, and after being reminded of the OP, he said something like:"Fool! Doom pays no heed to petty OP restrictions!"
Lmao! That's in all likelihood what Doom himself would say lol.
Originally posted by dmills
And to some degree, they're not without merit, but sheesh.There are very good reasons to think Doom would win here and Rider certainly isn't the biggest gun that he's come across. Far from it in fact. But styles make fights, as is the case here imo.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You are serious? Liek srsly?
It's why I keep asking.
"Doom wins because he's Doom" isn't some character exclusive remark. Not when you have Hulk, Superman, Wolverine, and Batman floating around there.
As far as this thread goes, explanation for why Doom would win and put up a very tough fight for Nova at the very least have already been explained upon.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's why I keep asking."Doom wins because he's Doom" isn't some character exclusive remark. Not when you have Hulk, Superman, Wolverine, and Batman floating around there.
As far as this thread goes, explanation for why Doom would win and put up a very tough fight for Nova at the very least have already been explained upon.
Originally posted by dmills
Touche.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, I genuinely think that you do a lot of good to nova on this forum. You are among very few people who I think are fair to almost every character. It doesn't hurt that you're a lot funnier than these other douches on KMC. Keep it up buddy. Oh and if you want, I can send you link of my mediafire comics folder. You would enjoy it.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I haven't seen you troll like guys like carver and quanchi do. I think you're doing just fine so far.
Man, I just try to respect the characters and their respective histories. Be respectful of the other posters, try to inject a bit of levity every now and then lol. Most importantly, stay out of it if I don't really know a character.
I think back to when I first got here I used to be the only idiot arguing for Nova in a thread lol. I nearly got ran out of here until Ninjak spoke up for me lol!
Originally posted by dmills
And to some degree, they're not without merit, but sheesh.There are very good reasons to think Doom would win here and Rider certainly isn't the biggest gun that he's come across. Far from it in fact. But styles make fights, as is the case here imo.
I'm saying that Doom is a villain (in the eyes of most characters), and is in constant conflict with top-tiers.
Constant conflict with top-tiers.
And, this is by choice, due to his goals.
He is paranoid, brilliant, obsessive.
So, he has proven that he can deal with enemies with Nova's skill-set.
And, because he is insane, combative and incredibly paranoid, it would be wrong to consider that he is unequipped, or unprepared for conflict with somebody with Nova's skill-set at any moment.
Remember, he doesn't even have "powers", the way others do.
Being crazy and always being prepared is his only power. If he doesn't have THAT at all times, he would never survive.
Because he is: (See top of post)- In Constant Conflict with Top-Tiers.
But, I want to be fair.
-Can you tell me the ways that you believe Nova can harm Doom?
-What assets Nova has over Doom?
-How Nova can survive some of Doom's most powerful attacks?
-Any examples of attacks or strategies that Doom would not be prepared for?
-Examples of Nova's most devastating attacks?
I will be completely honest. If the evidence is there, I will have no problem saying Nova wins this.
Originally posted by Horrificus
I'm not a fanboy, and I'm not using the "because he is Doom" argument.I'm saying that Doom is a villain (in the eyes of most characters), and is in constant conflict with top-tiers.
[b]Constant conflict with top-tiers.
And, this is by choice, due to his goals.
He is paranoid, brilliant, obsessive.So, he has proven that he can deal with enemies with Nova's skill-set.
And, because he is insane, combative and incredibly paranoid, it would be wrong to consider that he is unequipped, or unprepared for conflict with somebody with Nova's skill-set at any moment.
Remember, he doesn't even have "powers", the way others do.
Being crazy and always being prepared is his only power. If he doesn't have THAT at all times, he would never survive.
Because he is: (See top of post)- In Constant Conflict with Top-Tiers.
But, I want to be fair.
-Can you tell me the ways that you believe Nova can harm Doom?
-What assets Nova has over Doom?
-How Nova can survive some of Doom's most powerful attacks?
-Any examples of attacks or strategies that Doom would not be prepared for?
-Examples of Nova's most devastating attacks?I will be completely honest. If the evidence is there, I will have no problem saying Nova wins this. [/B]
I touched upon a bit of it on the last page with scans of a few things. But I'll bookmark this page and give you a thorough response tomorrow. Gotta get some shut eye now. Have a good night all. Or good day for some of you.
Originally posted by jalek moyeCorrect.
I think being one of the greatest sorcerers on Earth counts as a power
But, the point I was trying to make is that his mind and motivations r the reasons he is always ready for the skill-set that Nova has.
This has a lot to do with the meaning behind Doom fans using explanations such as, "because, he is Doom".
It is the same thing as saying, "because he is a cruel, crazy, paranoid, angry, brooding, honorable, intelligent, indomitable guy".
... with one of the biggest, juiciest brains in the MU. And, of course, incredible, magic-infused technology.
A "titan" with small-man's complex.
^^^ See, now I was all prepared to make a long response with scans etc but then I read your comments above and it looks like you're doing it again. If the gist of the discussion is going to be me posting scans up against a lot of highfalutin statements about Doom than we're done here as far as I'm concerned.
If you care to continue the discussion then I ask that you start with the scans that I posted on page 4 of this thread. What I posted was pretty much standard Nova tactics in battle. Shields, blasting, high speed maneuvers etc. When pinned down he tends to go eye blast or full body grav pulse. That's how he'd likely approach Doom at the outset.
On second thought. Lord knows that I don't generally like to run right to the speed card. However due to the way that this debate is being framed, ie people saying things like Doom would just simply take the worldmind, I feel obliged to use that card. Fight starts at .5 km. Rider could close that distance in an eye blink...
The speed of a standard Nova centurion.
http://db.tt/WNkLLL6g
http://db.tt/0hmUe7D7
http://db.tt/0HhjNEKm
Moving faster then another super speedster could register...
http://db.tt/5HQAEvCp
http://db.tt/tPWBq3g0
Random speed feats
http://db.tt/jBfXYBdF
http://db.tt/F4WzoVg6
http://db.tt/qAixjLZC
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1323376196117-picsay.jpg
To drive the point home even further. An extreme example but phuck it, I'm annoyed now. Here he snatches the Ka stone and flies to within proximity of the sun and back in the time it takes the Sphinx to utter No. Noooo!
http://db.tt/iUCHSUO7
http://db.tt/8gTSrWpp
So those are a few examples of the speed he brings to the table. In turn I ask to see ON PANEL evidence that Doom would be able to react or counter it. Then we can proceed.
