While it's hard to ignore the feats of DC team which is obviously extensive and impressive list of feats.
There is a reason Odin is the cream of crop in his weight class. He isn't just some high powered being who get's involved every once and while and does something good. He also has an extremely extensive and impressive list of abilities because he gets down and dirty a lot.
He has high end telepathy, the ability to effect time, the ability to be in multiple places, herald busting attacks, magical abilities that border on him being able to do just about anything he wants at this hierarchy of power.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Yeah I realize that. Picking characters from the team in OP, how many of them would it take to beat Thanos, do you think? I think SYI, Superman and Orion together could do the job.
lol. No.
This Trans to low skyfather steamrolled a team of heralds.
This team isn't beating Odin at all.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
lol. No.This Trans to low skyfather steamrolled a team of heralds.
This team isn't beating Odin at all.
Not to much time to debate today, well most days I don't have enough time anyway, but...
What do you mean by "steamrolled"? as far as I'm aware those heralds were not at peak and the trans low skyfather was actually syphoning power out of those heralds, so the heralds were not at peak, on top of that Morg was not even helping out and Tyrant was also getting help from his minions.
So is that the definition of "steamrolling"? Just asking because if it is, I need to update my dictionary
Re: Odin vs DC Team
Originally posted by keiththegreat
Marvel Odinvs
Firestorm
Martian Manhunter
Maxima
Orion
Captain Atom
Hal Jordan
Superman
Sodam Yat Ion
Steel
The Flash
Power Girl
Super Girl (Current)
Hawk Man with Claw of Horus
Hawk girlall get one shotted minus superman, hal jordan,flash and sodom yat. This team last a very shot time then dies. This team has no chance.
No BFR
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Wasn't it declared by both companies as the first official crossover upon it's release?
Marvel and DC already had a crossover called Marvel Vs DC/DC Vs Marvel.Busiek apparently missed one fact about 616 Galactus.Why didn't Abraxas showed up when Galactus was killed?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Here is the grandmaster bio from official handbook of marvel universehttp://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/grandmasterbio.jpg
You can use BIOs all you want.But they aren't always reliable.Fear Itself Spotlight doesn't even mention the JLA/Avengers Crossover.History Of The Marvel Universe(Narrated by the Watcher) didn't mention JLA/Avengers as well.But Bloackbusters of the Marvel Universe referenced Marvel Vs DC and All-Access but not JLA/Avengers.Does that mean Marvel Vs DC and All-Access is canonical with the Marvel Universe and not JLA/Avengers?
Originally posted by Igniz
Marvel and DC already had a crossover called Marvel Vs DC/DC Vs Marvel.Busiek apparently missed one fact about 616 Galactus.Why didn't Abraxas showed up when Galactus was killed?You can use BIOs all you want.But they aren't always reliable.Fear Itself Spotlight doesn't even mention the JLA/Avengers Crossover.History Of The Marvel Universe(Narrated by the Watcher) didn't mention JLA/Avengers as well.But Bloackbusters of the Marvel Universe referenced Marvel Vs DC and All-Access but not JLA/Avengers.Does that mean Marvel Vs DC and All-Access is canonical with the Marvel Universe and not JLA/Avengers?
This is the biggest BS Marvelites always bring to the table, with all due respect.
This so called "unreliable mistake" on the OHOTMU was made FIVE times
In the Galactus entry
Grandmaster entry
UN entry
Cosmic cube entry
and somewhere else.
Please stop using this as an excuse, is just silly.
I would not use the crossover as evidence but please stop making excuses.
Originally posted by biensalsa
This is the biggest BS Marvelites always bring to the table, with all due respect.This so called "unreliable mistake" on the OHOTMU was made FIVE times
In the Galactus entry
Grandmaster entry
UN entry
Cosmic cube entry
and somewhere else.Please stop using this as an excuse, is just silly.
I would not use the crossover as evidence but please stop making excuses.
😂
Slow down there.1st off, read who Abraxas is.2nd, I reference the comic that was released today by Marvel vs the old info Comics or OHOTMU you call it.And yes Fear Itself Spotlight(2011) doesn't make mention of the JLA/Avengers.History Of The Marvel Universe(2012) doesn't mention it as well.Yet Blockbusters of the Marvel Universe(2011) references Marvel Vs DC and All-Access but not JLA/Avengers.Things can get retconned in comics anyways.So take it easy there.
Originally posted by Igniz
😂Slow down there.1st off, read who Abraxas is.2nd, I reference the comic that was released today by Marvel vs the old info Comics or OHOTMU you call it.And yes Fear Itself Spotlight(2011) doesn't make mention of the JLA/Avengers.History Of The Marvel Universe(2012) doesn't mention it as well.Yet Blockbusters of the Marvel Universe(2011) references Marvel Vs DC and All-Access but not JLA/Avengers.Things can get retconned in comics anyways.So take it easy there.
I don't need to read who is Abraxas, but seriously, that constant whining of the OHOTMU is not reliable is kind of getting old.
Case in point ^
They make mistakes? yes they do, but a few mistake compared to the amount of information that is right, is kind of childish to complain about not being reliable when MOST of it's information is right.
Originally posted by biensalsa
I don't need to read who is Abraxas, but seriously, that constant whining of the OHOTMU is not reliable is kind of getting old.Case in point ^
They make mistakes? yes they do, but a few mistake compared to the amount of information that is right, is kind of childish to complain about not being reliable when MOST of it's information is right.
So you're going to ignore the current comic books that no longer reference the JLA/Avengers crossover for the sake of those OHOTMUs?Not everything in comics are always the same.Somethings in comics even get retconned.And the current ones I read today are either Marvel no longer recognizing the JLA/Avengers crossover as being canon or the crossover got retconned(In Marvel's side that is).And even if you push through with the crossover being canonical, the rules in this forum is clear."NO CROSSOVERS".
Originally posted by Igniz
So you're going to ignore the current comic books that no longer reference the JLA/Avengers crossover for the sake of those OHOTMUs?Not everything in comics are always the same.Somethings in comics even get retconned.And the current ones I read today are either Marvel no longer recognizing the JLA/Avengers crossover as being canon or the crossover got retconned(In Marvel's side that is).And even if you push through with the crossover being canonical, the rules in this forum is clear."NO CROSSOVERS".
I agree, canon comics change over time.
But lets see if what you are saying is true, will you accept the canonical value of the JLA/Avengers the first week it was published?
I'm not talking today, I'm talking the first week after it was published.
Will you?
Originally posted by biensalsa
I agree, canon comics change over time.But lets see if what you are saying is true, will you accept the canonical value of the JLA/Avengers the first week it was published?
I'm not talking today, I'm talking the first week after it was published.
Will you?
Back in the day I did accept it as canonical when Marvel was making OHOTMUs of the Marvel characters involved.But certain comics like Fear Itself Spotlight and History Of The Marvel Universe no longer even mentions the JLA/Avengers crossover.The weird part is Blockbusters of the Marvel Universe mentions Marvel Vs DC and All-Access but not the JLA/Avengers crossover.Why is JLA/Avengers no longer mentioned in current issues in Marvel?
I've read through this entire thread to get a better perspective on this fight, and I still have yet to be convinced that this team wins this. First of all I sat there reading people saying that the entire team was composed of elite High Heralds when a couple of them are only mid to High Metas.
Second of all I read about the the canon vs non canon references to JLA/Avengers, which left me thinking that whether it was canon or not, a battle between Superman and Thor would likely end the same way that it did, and no matter who was the last man standing, that guy would be awfully spent after the match up.
This leads me to many conclusions. The first one that comes to mind, is Thor being trapped within a force block that Thanos placed him in, while Odin merely flexed, and freed himself from it. I could see Superman and any of the others on the field being trapped just like Thor was, and unable to move. This pretty much shows the power gap between Odin and the more powerful members of this particular team on the most basic physical level. Adding his wide array of powers to the mix, and you would have the team imprisoned by eldritch magic force spheres, capable of easily holding Beta Ray Bill prisoners. As Hawkman, and Hawk Woman with their Nth metal weapons... I'm sure that no one believes that this duo would last against Odin for more than a few brief moments?
Odin has also played mind games with Galactus, who more or less ignored Charles Xavier, and Magneto's attempts to contact him during the Secret Wars. So while it is true, we can not just go by title and proclaim any guy with the Sky Father title the winner without proof of feats, Odin actually has the feats to show that he can actually break any and all of the characters on the field in a number of ways.
