Even if we assume that JLA/Avengers is canon for both companies and not just DC and disregard the KMC ruling, it's painfully obvious that JLA/Avengers Krona isn't on the same level as the less formidable War of the Green Lanterns Krona. So using that Krona beating Galactus as some kind of proof is faulty.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's what she said. *zing*Yeah, but going by the feats of Odin (the ones shown in comics), he actually...y'know...one-shots heralds. And he does it without exerting much effort or while weakened or some other circumstance that prevents him from going all out, in which case, he'd outright obliterate herald level beings. 😐
Or they could be high end feats. Thor was once able to endure a barrage of blasts from multiple Celestials. Do I think that's the norm for Thor? Hell no, that's insane and it was clearly designed to be an epic heroic moment. That's what I'm getting at here. You can't pick out a handful to a dozen of good feats compare them to the overwhelming majority of feats under a character's history and just decide that everything else besides those high end feats was "jobbing" or "PIS". That doesn't even make a lick of sense. It's just as bad as trying to lowball a character by citing gas stations exploding or being mugged by Mexicans or falling down stairs or being shot and KOd with a sniper round; its just as inaccurate a portrayal of a character's overall formidability and capabilities albeit on the other far side of the spectrum.
Krona beating down Galactus? JLA/Avengers Krona =/= Krona from War of the Green Lanterns. That's common sense. And no, you can't arbitrarily decide that Hal can kill whomever just because of his willpower, which by its very nature, fluctuates depending on the situation at hand. No one's trying to lowball Hal here, so don't act like it.
Odin doesn't get an autowin because he's a skyfather. He wins because he's more powerful than anyone here and quite a few people here are virtually useless here against him. And that's based on feats and portrayals.
What gets me here is this.
Who here is Trans or Low Skyfather for one? And for another, where in the world do you get that Odin gets the win here because of his status and not his feats? Because I, alongside several others, have outright stated and cited his actual feats done on panel? And how is this line of thought "standard procedure"? Do you think there's some kind of pro-skyfather/anti-herald movement on KMC?
... when you used Bruceys strap on to please her? *zingbackatya*
And you know, going by feats some of the listed "high heralds" tank blasts from higher beings then Odin. We can continue this circular "debate" till one gets tired or till I can go home (I'm at work right now).
If you have so many high end feats under your belt, I would say it isn't far off to let you tank some blasts from some old guy like Odin...
So we have to find an average and this is where we disagree, actually. In your opinion Odins average is oneshooting high heralds and the average of the high heralds is getting oneshooted by Skyfathers, while mine is Odins average not one shooting the high heralds with better feats, and the average of the high heralds to tank one or more Skyfather blasts. I don't say that a mere high herald can beat a Skyfather, don't get me wrong, except Superman cough, but a Skyfather has limits too and it should be possible for a decent number of high heralds to overwhelm a Skyfather as a team. Standard comic scenario btw. Team of powerful heroes takes down an much more powerful opponent, they wouldn't be able to take one on one.
Semantics. Krona would kick Odins ass. And I don't decide who he can kill, I'm just not seeing him as a mere high herald or cannon fodder.
He is more powerful then them, individually but as a team? I disagree.
By your previous definition, every high herald who has repeatedly faced Skyfathers in battle and/or has more skyfather or trans feats under his beld. No I don't think there is a conspiration sneer I just noticed that you have to put a Skyfather against a team from a lower tier or even a single being but special stips and the people won't even think about it but declare the Skyfather the winner. Works with abstracts too btw.
Originally posted by Igniz
I know its official for DC.But what makes you think its official for Marvel 😕 ?
Wasn't it declared by both companies as the first official crossover upon it's release?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah,totally.I'm supporting you bro.
huhu
Good, then let's stomp this Marvel-Zombie superdur
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
... when you used Bruceys strap on to please her? *zingbackatya*And you know, going by feats some of the listed "high heralds" tank blasts from higher beings then Odin. We can continue this circular "debate" till one gets tired or till I can go home (I'm at work right now).
If you have so many high end feats under your belt, I would say it isn't far off to let you tank some blasts from some old guy like Odin...
So we have to find an average and this is where we disagree, actually. In your opinion Odins average is oneshooting high heralds and the average of the high heralds is getting oneshooted by Skyfathers, while mine is Odins average not one shooting the high heralds with better feats, and the average of the high heralds to tank one or more Skyfather blasts. I don't say that a mere high herald can beat a Skyfather, don't get me wrong, except Superman cough, but a Skyfather has limits too and it should be possible for a decent number of high heralds to overwhelm a Skyfather as a team. Standard comic scenario btw. Team of powerful heroes takes down an much more powerful opponent, they wouldn't be able to take one on one.Semantics. Krona would kick Odins ass. And I don't decide who he can kill, I'm just not seeing him as a mere high herald or cannon fodder.
He is more powerful then them, individually but as a team? I disagree.
By your previous definition, every high herald who has repeatedly faced Skyfathers in battle and/or has more skyfather or trans feats under his beld. No I don't think there is a conspiration sneer I just noticed that you have to put a Skyfather against a team from a lower tier or even a single being but special stips and the people won't even think about it but declare the Skyfather the winner. Works with abstracts too btw.
Ghey.
Yes, I know some of them have feats of enduring blasts from Odin's caliber or above. But none of them consistantly display that ability to get into prolonged fights with people like Odin and win. That's the whole point here. And if you can't see why grasping the seldom instances of such occurrences and painting characters in a light that they simply are not regularly portrayed at to justify them winning is FUBAR style debating, I don't know what to tell you. It would be the same as me arguing that Odin regularly shakes the multiverse in battle or destroys galaxies when he doesn't.
Odin's average is either one shotting high heralds or otherwise not having a hard time beating them down to prove a point, occasionally while weakened or holding back. He's done since since his inception with examples including Thor, Silver Surfer, an amped Annihilus, Loki, Absorbing Man, Gladiator, Karnilla, Ulik, etc. His average includes fighting people well above herald class and winning or stalemating against them such as Surtur, Ymir, Dark Gods, Thanos, Seth, The Enchanters, etc. His high end feats include destroying entire planets easily, being able to create pocket universes, shattering galaxies as a side effect of his battles, shaking the multiverse, transporting an entire population to an alternate dimension, planetary scale mindwiping, etc. I don't know, maybe you haven't read a lot of comics with Odin in it, but that's why people are giving him the win here. On the average, he's well above a high herald and to the point that throwing multiple high heralds at him won't do much good outside of prompting him to possibly act more aggressive. And at his "best", he's approaching Elder God and above level power. Inverted ninja law doesn't fly in a forum battle where PIS is removed. And yes, Superman would get beaten by Odin, too.
Two different Kronas you're mentioning here, buddy. You mentioned Krona beating up Galactus, which iyo was more impressive than Odin's headbutt. That Krona, from JLA/Avengers, is a completely different incarnation than the Krona that was in War of the Green Lanterns (the one that Hal merced). That's like arguing that because Savage Hulk got the better of Thor in a fight he'd do just as good against Rune King Thor. Completely different incarnations of the character. So bringing up Krona to begin with is a moot point on your behalf. Hal is a high herald, though, albeit one with good high end feats....like virtually every other high herald. Doesn't mean Odin won't one shot him or beat the shit out of him.
Not really, not when Odin can literally dispatch most of the time without putting forth much effort, as based on feats and not Odin's most spectacular ones, either.
No, having high end feats outside of their typical weight class doesn't make them a Low Skyfather or Trans being. Those are just high end feats. On the average people like Thor, Hal, Norrin, Orion, Superman...they aren't on the same level as Odin. That's based off of feats, general portrayal, and common sense. People are saying Odin wins not because of his title, but because of his accomplishments and feats ie. what he's done in comics. If this was Zeus or something, you might have a point, but Odin's resume speaks for itself. I don't see what's so radical about the idea of Odin steamrolling most of this time when his feats suggest that he does.
Here is the grandmaster bio from official handbook of marvel universe
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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You should support ME against this Marvel-Asgardian bootlicker...sneer
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm supporting you bro.
huhu
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Good, then let's stomp this Marvel-Zombie superdur
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, stomp this DC hater.durfist
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Burn that witch!!! Viva la DC Revolution!!!giljotiini
How quaint. You both have much to learn.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ghey.Yes, I know some of them have feats of enduring blasts from Odin's caliber or above. But none of them consistantly display that ability to get into prolonged fights with people like Odin and win. That's the whole point here. And if you can't see why grasping the seldom instances of such occurrences and painting characters in a light that they simply are not regularly portrayed at to justify them winning is FUBAR style debating, I don't know what to tell you. It would be the same as me arguing that Odin regularly shakes the multiverse in battle or destroys galaxies when he doesn't.
Odin's average is either one shotting high heralds or otherwise not having a hard time beating them down to prove a point, occasionally while weakened or holding back. He's done since since his inception with examples including Thor, Silver Surfer, an amped Annihilus, Loki, Absorbing Man, Gladiator, Karnilla, Ulik, etc. His average includes fighting people well above herald class and winning or stalemating against them such as Surtur, Ymir, Dark Gods, Thanos, Seth, The Enchanters, etc. His high end feats include destroying entire planets easily, being able to create pocket universes, shattering galaxies as a side effect of his battles, shaking the multiverse, transporting an entire population to an alternate dimension, planetary scale mindwiping, etc. I don't know, maybe you haven't read a lot of comics with Odin in it, but that's why people are giving him the win here. On the average, he's well above a high herald and to the point that throwing multiple high heralds at him won't do much good outside of prompting him to possibly act more aggressive. And at his "best", he's approaching Elder God and above level power. Inverted ninja law doesn't fly in a forum battle where PIS is removed. And yes, Superman would get beaten by Odin, too.
Two different Kronas you're mentioning here, buddy. You mentioned Krona beating up Galactus, which iyo was more impressive than Odin's headbutt. That Krona, from JLA/Avengers, is a completely different incarnation than the Krona that was in War of the Green Lanterns (the one that Hal merced). That's like arguing that because Savage Hulk got the better of Thor in a fight he'd do just as good against Rune King Thor. Completely different incarnations of the character. So bringing up Krona to begin with is a moot point on your behalf. Hal is a high herald, though, albeit one with good high end feats....like virtually every other high herald. Doesn't mean Odin won't one shot him or beat the shit out of him.
Not really, not when Odin can literally dispatch most of the time without putting forth much effort, as based on feats and not Odin's most spectacular ones, either.
No, having high end feats outside of their typical weight class doesn't make them a Low Skyfather or Trans being. Those are just high end feats. On the average people like Thor, Hal, Norrin, Orion, Superman...they aren't on the same level as Odin. That's based off of feats, general portrayal, and common sense. People are saying Odin wins not because of his title, but because of his accomplishments and feats ie. what he's done in comics. If this was Zeus or something, you might have a point, but Odin's resume speaks for itself. I don't see what's so radical about the idea of Odin steamrolling most of this time when his feats suggest that he does.
I don't condemn you.
Here we go again, here we go go go....
So he won't be oneshooting them because they can take some blasts. Ok fine, we agree. I never said they win a one on one, but what you forget, he will fight them all at once, as a team. It isn't that hard to grasp.
Odin has his high feats and so do the high heralds. Considering both, you come to a differen't conclusion but it's not a fact. I know it's hard to accept but a wall of text won't help 😐.
Your Thor/Hulk is so wrong btw. Krona changed over time, that's correct and no one is arguing this. You didn't get the joke but still. Krona > Odin, if you like it or not. Odin would beat Hal but he won't one shoot him, really.
Your opinion, and you are entitled to it.
However, they have a lot of those high end feats, and by your argumentation it would place them higher on the food chain. You are contradicting yourself now. Zeus is Odins equal, not by feats but by common sense. Now you are trying to strawman me... So in your opinion the team would beat Zeus but not Odin? Based on feats or common sense? You think based on feats Superman would beat Odin then?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ghey.Yes, I know some of them have feats of enduring blasts from Odin's caliber or above. But none of them consistantly display that ability to get into prolonged fights with people like Odin and win. That's the whole point here. And if you can't see why grasping the seldom instances of such occurrences and painting characters in a light that they simply are not regularly portrayed at to justify them winning is FUBAR style debating, I don't know what to tell you. It would be the same as me arguing that Odin regularly shakes the multiverse in battle or destroys galaxies when he doesn't.
Odin's average is either one shotting high heralds or otherwise not having a hard time beating them down to prove a point, occasionally while weakened or holding back. He's done since since his inception with examples including Thor, Silver Surfer, an amped Annihilus, Loki, Absorbing Man, Gladiator, Karnilla, Ulik, etc. His average includes fighting people well above herald class and winning or stalemating against them such as Surtur, Ymir, Dark Gods, Thanos, Seth, The Enchanters, etc. His high end feats include destroying entire planets easily, being able to create pocket universes, shattering galaxies as a side effect of his battles, shaking the multiverse, transporting an entire population to an alternate dimension, planetary scale mindwiping, etc. I don't know, maybe you haven't read a lot of comics with Odin in it, but that's why people are giving him the win here. On the average, he's well above a high herald and to the point that throwing multiple high heralds at him won't do much good outside of prompting him to possibly act more aggressive. And at his "best", he's approaching Elder God and above level power. Inverted ninja law doesn't fly in a forum battle where PIS is removed. And yes, Superman would get beaten by Odin, too.
Two different Kronas you're mentioning here, buddy. You mentioned Krona beating up Galactus, which iyo was more impressive than Odin's headbutt. That Krona, from JLA/Avengers, is a completely different incarnation than the Krona that was in War of the Green Lanterns (the one that Hal merced). That's like arguing that because Savage Hulk got the better of Thor in a fight he'd do just as good against Rune King Thor. Completely different incarnations of the character. So bringing up Krona to begin with is a moot point on your behalf. Hal is a high herald, though, albeit one with good high end feats....like virtually every other high herald. Doesn't mean Odin won't one shot him or beat the shit out of him.
Not really, not when Odin can literally dispatch most of the time without putting forth much effort, as based on feats and not Odin's most spectacular ones, either.
No, having high end feats outside of their typical weight class doesn't make them a Low Skyfather or Trans being. Those are just high end feats. On the average people like Thor, Hal, Norrin, Orion, Superman...they aren't on the same level as Odin. That's based off of feats, general portrayal, and common sense. People are saying Odin wins not because of his title, but because of his accomplishments and feats ie. what he's done in comics. If this was Zeus or something, you might have a point, but Odin's resume speaks for itself. I don't see what's so radical about the idea of Odin steamrolling most of this time when his feats suggest that he does.
Zeus would merk them as well.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I don't condemn you.Here we go again, here we go go go....
So he won't be oneshooting them because they can take some blasts. Ok fine, we agree. I never said they win a one on one, but what you forget, he will fight them all at once, as a team. It isn't that hard to grasp.Odin has his high feats and so do the high heralds. Considering both, you come to a differen't conclusion but it's not a fact. I know it's hard to accept but a wall of text won't help 😐.
Your Thor/Hulk is so wrong btw. Krona changed over time, that's correct and no one is arguing this. You didn't get the joke but still. Krona > Odin, if you like it or not. Odin would beat Hal but he won't one shoot him, really.
Your opinion, and you are entitled to it.
However, they have a lot of those high end feats, and by your argumentation it would place them higher on the food chain. You are contradicting yourself now. Zeus is Odins equal, not by feats but by common sense. Now you are trying to strawman me... So in your opinion the team would beat Zeus but not Odin? Based on feats or common sense? You think based on feats Superman would beat Odin then?
Yeah, he'll be one shotting a lot of them. A few of them might be able to take more than one blast through their natural defense or more than that if they muster up an actual defense. His average feats place him >>> heralds. His high end feats place him >>> high end heralds. That's not really anything to debate about, not when it's a consistent portrayal of how Odin stands in the grand scheme of things. He's not just slightly more formidable than a high herald. It's be a very significant margin, and that's without him going all out. That is a fact.
Not really. You interchanged two forms of Krona as a means to justify him being > Odin, which is faulty. JLA/Avengers Krona beating Galactus doesn't mean that War of the Lanterns Krona would do the same. And it doesn't mean Krona would have an easy time handling Odin based off of what he did, either. I got your Odin headbutt joke the first time you typed it, but arguing in favor of what Krona did in the crossover and trying to apply to what may as well be a completely different character doesn't make sense. So my example of Thor/Hulk is right on the money. Based on feats, yeah, Odin would one shot Hal Jordan conventionally.
Zeus is Odin's equal due to status, the very same "skyfather" status you claim gives Odin his victory here unfairly. By feats, Odin is easily superior to Zeus. That's my point here. Zeus has impressive feats, but not on the level of Odin. If you subscribe to the idea that they must be equal in every sense of the word and think that Odin beats the team, then logically, you think Zeus does too. I don't find Zeus to be equal to Odin when it comes to actual proof and on panel evidence, which is what I'm using to support Odin here, not just "he wins because he's a Skyfather and Skyfathers are higher up on the food chain than heralds". Based on feats as a whole, no, Superman wouldn't beat Odin. Odin would beat the crap out of him, though.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, he'll be one shotting a lot of them. A few of them might be able to take more than one blast through their natural defense or more than that if they muster up an actual defense. His average feats place him >>> heralds. His high end feats place him >>> high end heralds. That's not really anything to debate about, not when it's a consistent portrayal of how Odin stands in the grand scheme of things. He's not just slightly more formidable than a high herald. It's be a very significant margin, and that's without him going all out. That is a fact.Not really. You interchanged two forms of Krona as a means to justify him being > Odin, which is faulty. JLA/Avengers Krona beating Galactus doesn't mean that War of the Lanterns Krona would do the same. And it doesn't mean Krona would have an easy time handling Odin based off of what he did, either. I got your Odin headbutt joke the first time you typed it, but arguing in favor of what Krona did in the crossover and trying to apply to what may as well be a completely different character doesn't make sense. So my example of Thor/Hulk is right on the money. Based on feats, yeah, Odin would one shot Hal Jordan conventionally.
Zeus is Odin's equal due to status, the very same "skyfather" status you claim gives Odin his victory here unfairly. By feats, Odin is easily superior to Zeus. That's my point here. Zeus has impressive feats, but not on the level of Odin. If you subscribe to the idea that they must be equal in every sense of the word and think that Odin beats the team, then logically, you think Zeus does too. I don't find Zeus to be equal to Odin when it comes to actual proof and on panel evidence, which is what I'm using to support Odin here, not just "he wins because he's a Skyfather and Skyfathers are higher up on the food chain than heralds". Based on feats as a whole, no, Superman wouldn't beat Odin. Odin would beat the crap out of him, though.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You think JLA/Avengers krona would struggle with odin?
I sure as hell didn't say that and you know it.
What I have issue with is the "Hal Jordan killed War of the Lanterns Krona so he could kill Odin who failed to KO Galactus with a headbutt while JLA/Avengers Krona beat Galactus" line of logic. Two completely different portrayals of Krona and as such, not interchangeable.
No one sane would argue that JLA/Avengers Krona would be given a hard time by Odin, much less beaten by him.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I sure as hell didn't say that and you know it.What I have issue with is the "Hal Jordan killed War of the Lanterns Krona so he could kill Odin who failed to KO Galactus with a headbutt while JLA/Avengers Krona beat Galactus" line of logic. Two completely different portrayals of Krona and as such, not interchangeable.
No one sane would argue that JLA/Avengers Krona would be given a hard time by Odin, much less beaten by him.
