@Igniz
I know JLA/Avengers was canon according to DC because they referenced the "cosmic egg" in their issues.
But doesn't this scan also prove that JLA/Avengers was cannon for Marvel too? I could have sworn I even saw this mentioned in Galactus' handbook entry :
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/56665/1889226-25ih1_super.jpg
Gotten from here :
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/the-celestials-vs-the-old-gods/620838/?page=5
They have more scans too.
Originally posted by Igniz
Marvel and DC already had a crossover called Marvel Vs DC/DC Vs Marvel.Busiek apparently missed one fact about 616 Galactus.Why didn't Abraxas showed up when Galactus was killed?You can use BIOs all you want.But they aren't always reliable.Fear Itself Spotlight doesn't even mention the JLA/Avengers Crossover.History Of The Marvel Universe(Narrated by the Watcher) didn't mention JLA/Avengers as well.But Bloackbusters of the Marvel Universe referenced Marvel Vs DC and All-Access but not JLA/Avengers.Does that mean Marvel Vs DC and All-Access is canonical with the Marvel Universe and not JLA/Avengers?
Originally posted by Igniz
Back in the day I did accept it as canonical when Marvel was making OHOTMUs of the Marvel characters involved.But certain comics like Fear Itself Spotlight and History Of The Marvel Universe no longer even mentions the JLA/Avengers crossover.The weird part is Blockbusters of the Marvel Universe mentions Marvel Vs DC and All-Access but not the JLA/Avengers crossover.Why is JLA/Avengers no longer mentioned in current issues in Marvel?
Originally posted by zopzop
@IgnizI know JLA/Avengers was canon according to DC because they referenced the "cosmic egg" in their issues.
But doesn't this scan also prove that JLA/Avengers was cannon for Marvel too? I could have sworn I even saw this mentioned in Galactus' handbook entry :
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/56665/1889226-25ih1_super.jpgGotten from here :
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/the-celestials-vs-the-old-gods/620838/?page=5They have more scans too.
That scan is from years before JLA/Avengers came out, so how exactly would it prove that JLA/Avengers is canon for marvel?
Originally posted by Stoic
So while it is true, we can not just go by title and proclaim any guy with the Sky Father title the winner without proof of feats, Odin actually has the feats to show that he can actually break any and all of the characters on the field in a number of ways.
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True.Odin is one of the prominent skyfather characters who actually battled skyfather level beings like Surtur(w/ or w/o Twilight),Ymir,Seth(while being weakened) to name a few.I can't remember a time Odin lossed to a herald level being.
@abhilegend I'm saying that using info in the past like the OHOTMUs that references JLA/Avengers is now being overshadowed by current infos of today like FIS,HOTMU and BOTMU(now referencing Marvel Vs DC and All-Access).The comics I mentioned are now making me believe JLA/Avengers isn't canon for Marvel anymore.Or like you said, it was no longer relevant like crossovers in forum debates.
Originally posted by Igniz
👆True.Odin is one of the prominent skyfather characters who actually battled skyfather level beings like Surtur(w/ or w/o Twilight),Ymir,Seth(while being weakened) to name a few.I can't remember a time Odin lossed to a herald level being.
@abhilegend I'm saying that using info in the past like the OHOTMUs that references JLA/Avengers is now being overshadowed by current infos of today like FIS,HOTMU and BOTMU(now referencing Marvel Vs DC and All-Access).The comics I mentioned are now making me believe JLA/Avengers isn't canon for Marvel anymore.Or like you said, it was no longer relevant like crossovers in forum debates.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It was never relevant in forum discussion but just not mentioned in today's bios doesn't mean the older ones are no longer in effect. Unless there is a confirmation that the information provided in those older bios are indeed non-canon, its not sufficient proof to declare them as non canon.
Okay 😕 ?
Lets stop discussing this crossovers since were getting off topic anyways.This thread is about Odin Vs DC team anyways.And for me, Odin has sufficient showings stating he can beat this team.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, he'll be one shotting a lot of them. A few of them might be able to take more than one blast through their natural defense or more than that if they muster up an actual defense. His average feats place him >>> heralds. His high end feats place him >>> high end heralds. That's not really anything to debate about, not when it's a consistent portrayal of how Odin stands in the grand scheme of things. He's not just slightly more formidable than a high herald. It's be a very significant margin, and that's without him going all out. That is a fact.Not really. You interchanged two forms of Krona as a means to justify him being > Odin, which is faulty. JLA/Avengers Krona beating Galactus doesn't mean that War of the Lanterns Krona would do the same. And it doesn't mean Krona would have an easy time handling Odin based off of what he did, either. I got your Odin headbutt joke the first time you typed it, but arguing in favor of what Krona did in the crossover and trying to apply to what may as well be a completely different character doesn't make sense. So my example of Thor/Hulk is right on the money. Based on feats, yeah, Odin would one shot Hal Jordan conventionally.
Zeus is Odin's equal due to status, the very same "skyfather" status you claim gives Odin his victory here unfairly. By feats, Odin is easily superior to Zeus. That's my point here. Zeus has impressive feats, but not on the level of Odin. If you subscribe to the idea that they must be equal in every sense of the word and think that Odin beats the team, then logically, you think Zeus does too. I don't find Zeus to be equal to Odin when it comes to actual proof and on panel evidence, which is what I'm using to support Odin here, not just "he wins because he's a Skyfather and Skyfathers are higher up on the food chain than heralds". Based on feats as a whole, no, Superman wouldn't beat Odin. Odin would beat the crap out of him, though.
They are a team, they won't stand there motionless, they will work together, it won't be as easy, they faced worse and prevailed. I'm not giving into this blind Odin wanking, sry. And Supermans role is far greater in the grand scheme of things btw. That's actually a fact.
I said that Krona kicked G's ass while Odin headbutted himself out^^. And that Krona would have an easy time with Odin. There is nothing to argue about, so your example wasn't very good. In your opinion, in mine Hal's shields would tank some blasts.
You missed something buddy, I don't think Odfin can beat them, if I would then yes Zeus could beat them too. ^^
So you think this team would beat Zeus then? And based on feats, you think Superman could take Zeus alone?
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
They are a team, they won't stand there motionless, they will work together, it won't be as easy, they faced worse and prevailed. I'm not giving into this blind Odin wanking, sry. And Supermans role is far greater in the grand scheme of things btw. That's actually a fact.I said that Krona kicked G's ass while Odin headbutted himself out^^. And that Krona would have an easy time with Odin. There is nothing to argue about, so your example wasn't very good. In your opinion, in mine Hal's shields would tank some blasts.
You missed something buddy, I don't think Odfin can beat them, if I would then yes Zeus could beat them too. ^^
So you think this team would beat Zeus then? And based on feats, you think Superman could take Zeus alone?
So "Odin Wanking" = citing Odin's feats and capabilities? Are you even aware of what he's done and what he's capable of? No one is making any of this shit up, much less being "blind" about it. The fact is that he's consistently portrayed as being > heralds and while weakened or holding back. How you can argue that if you're informed of what Odin can do and who he is is beyond me. Superman being important doesn't mean he beats Odin, be serious. baka
Again, Krona from JLA/Avengers =/= Krona from War of the Green Lanterns. They're not comparable. At all. Krona from JLA/Avengers would decimate Odin and this team. So using that Krona who was absurdly powerful as some kind of point makes no sense. Hal's shields would be taxed within moments by Odin, provided he had the time to muster up a defense.
Yes, you've made it abundantly clear you think Odin not only loses this, but is "destroyed" by the team, which is pretty absurd. Zeus isn't Odin, certainly not by feats. And no, I don't see Superman beating Zeus alone under normal circumstances.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So "Odin Wanking" = citing Odin's feats and capabilities? Are you even aware of what he's done and what he's capable of? No one is making any of this shit up, much less being "blind" about it. The fact is that he's consistently portrayed as being > heralds and while weakened or holding back. How you can argue that if you're informed of what Odin can do and who he is is beyond me. Superman being important doesn't mean he beats Odin, be serious. bakaAgain, Krona from JLA/Avengers =/= Krona from War of the Green Lanterns. They're not comparable. At all. Krona from JLA/Avengers would decimate Odin and this team. So using that Krona who was absurdly powerful as some kind of point makes no sense. Hal's shields would be taxed within moments by Odin, provided he had the time to muster up a defense.
Yes, you've made it abundantly clear you think Odin not only loses this, but is "destroyed" by the team, which is pretty absurd. Zeus isn't Odin, certainly not by feats. And no, I don't see Superman beating Zeus alone under normal circumstances.
While ignoring those of the other "Herlads"...
It's kind of funny. Odin destroys "Herlads" and you don't differ between those "Heralds" (based on their feats) but when you compare Skyfathers then Zeus is below Odin by... feats. As Odins enemies all Herlads are alike, but Skyfathers are different... I think I get your point now.
You started about how important Odin is, my reply was there to mock Odins so called importance by comparing it to someone who is by far more important 😉.
We agree to some part, fine. It wasn't supposed to, but it did some good. ^^ He would and I don't say he would win, but Odin would need some time^^.
So Zeus loses to this Herald team, the same way as an other Skyfather (with fewer feats) would lose. Odin however wins against those no-name Heralds.
Ok I think we are done. 😐
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
While ignoring those of the other "Herlads"...
It's kind of funny. Odin destroys "Herlads" and you don't differ between those "Heralds" (based on their feats) but when you compare Skyfathers then Zeus is below Odin by... feats. As Odins enemies all Herlads are alike, but Skyfathers are different... I think I get your point now.
You started about how important Odin is, my reply was there to mock Odin so called importance by comparing it to someone who is by far more important 😉.We agree to some part, fine. It wasn't supposed to, but it did some good. ^^ He would and I don't say he would win, but Odin would need some time^^.
So Zeus loses to this Herald team, the same way as an other Skyfather (with fewer feats) would lose. Odin however wins against those no-name Heralds.
Ok I think we are done. 😐
I don't differ between heralds because like it or not, Thor and Silver Surfer are comparable and in the very same league as people such as Superman and Green Lantern. And there's also the fact that Odin mercs people above heralds such as Thanos, Surtur, the Dark Gods, Enchanters, etc. Zeus doesn't have as many feats as Odin, but is still portrayed as a peer and the feats he does have also portray him as being significantly above heralds.
Status/importance in the universe =/= power and formidability.
The problem here is that I'm fully aware of what the team can do, both on the consistent and average level and at high end levels. I also know what Odin can do for both.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't differ between heralds because like it or not, Thor and Silver Surfer are comparable and in the very same league as people such as Superman and Green Lantern. And there's also the fact that Odin mercs people above heralds such as Thanos, Surtur, the Dark Gods, Enchanters, etc. Zeus doesn't have as many feats as Odin, but is still portrayed as a peer and the feats he does have also portray him as being significantly above heralds.Status/importance in the universe =/= power and formidability.
The problem here is that I'm fully aware of what the team can do, both on the consistent and average level and at high end levels. I also know what Odin can do for both.
So 7 Thors and 7 SS would do shit to Odin in your opinion? Ok.
Thanos stalemated Odin... just kidding. 😄
Zeus is Odins equal imho. Yours differ.
I was mocking you.... forget it... 😐
It's your problem, really. Your opinion, and let's not pretend it's more then this, differs from mine, as said, we are done 😉. At least we agree that this team would beat Zeus.^^
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So 7 Thors and 7 SS would do shit to Odin in your opinion? Ok.
Thanos stalemated Odin... just kidding. 😄
Zeus is Odins equal imho. Yours differ.I was mocking you.... forget it... 😐
It's your problem, really. Your opinion, and let's not pretend it's more then this, differs from mine, as said, we are done 😉. At least we agree that this team would beat Zeus.^^
7 Thors would be worse than 7 Surfers. Odin just takes away the collective Mjolnirs and beats the shit out of them. And if one Surfer was effortlessly one shot by an Odin who wasn't really trying to hurt him, what would six more accomplish?
Please, don't bring up that "Thanos stalemated Odin" crap up. Even in jest, it's too much.
They're equals as far as statements and how they respect each other go, sure. But on panel feats portray Odin as being superior. And even while Odin is, imo, superior to Zeus at the end of the day, Zeus is still well above heralds as well and I wouldn't imagine that he'd be taxed by this team.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
They are a team, they won't stand there motionless, they will work together, it won't be as easy, they faced worse and prevailed. I'm not giving into this blind Odin wanking, sry. And Supermans role is far greater in the grand scheme of things btw. That's actually a fact.I said that Krona kicked G's ass while Odin headbutted himself out^^. And that Krona would have an easy time with Odin. There is nothing to argue about, so your example wasn't very good. In your opinion, in mine Hal's shields would tank some blasts.
And then Sinestro comes by and kicks Hal's ass. 🙄
So how did Hal do after beating Krona? Which other above skyfather did he steamroll over next? Or did some punk herald level villain give him a fight?
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
And then Sinestro comes by and kicks Hal's ass. 🙄So how did Hal do after beating Krona? Which other above skyfather did he steamroll over next? Or did some punk herald level villain give him a fight?
