Originally posted by Odekahn
1. We can't say for sure but I would assume it's how it affects him on average. And no matter, it would be enough to weaken him. I think Hal would put up a good fight without it, add it in and I think he'd make quick work of Superman. I believe that Hal can do anything that Kyle would be able to do, he could create a Superman made of kryptonite to fight along side him in the same way Kyle created an entire Justice League. Hal could fire a kryptonite gatlin gun at Superman. The possibilities are endless.2. Who says it has to be GREEN kryptonite? Sure it may be green in color, but its effect could be that of red or whatever color.
3. What's Flash doing in your scenario?? I'm pretty sure He's not going to just be standing around...
1. Hal COULD do that, but you're also assuming he's shielding the team from MMH's telepathy. That's gonna be taking up a lot of energy and willpower. And like I said, Superman has a good record of smashing through GL constructs. Also, keep in mind, Superman knows what Hal can do. Right when the bell rings he might decide to blitz him right off the bat before any shields go up, or Hal can do anything. And yeah, the Flash is there, but he has to contend with two speedsters at once, and keep in mind MMH is probably telepathically coordinating their efforts. He could get right into Flash's mind.
2. True.
3. The Flash is clearly faster than Superman, but like I said, he can't deal with Superman and J'onn at once.
The ring is much more versatile than simply creating green constructs. For example, you said Superman might blitz him before he can create a shield - but it creates instant shields even before the user is aware of it. John had to send his ring light years away when he was about to kill himself - simply because if it had been in the vicinity it would have created a shield to protect him. GL's (outside of cannon fodder) get a "second life" power up basically. The ring can also be told to auto-fire on beings going faster than say Mach 1 so that the user doesn't have to focus on that. This can all be done without verbally telling the ring anything. And these are just simple commands that the user can give the ring - it can do much more complicated things such as teleport, time stop, molecular re-arrangement, create real individuals with real powers (Kyle created real beings with the Speed-Force, a Daxamite, etc), change their own DNA to grant them internal powers, etc.
Basically, if I had a GL ring and you had Superman's powers and we were both operating at the same level as Superman or Hal in terms of how to use the power - I can guarantee you that you won't win.
With that said, I still back Flash/GL due to GL's versatility and Flash's almost unstoppable bag of tricks. Outside of Justice League books (where they have to pander to the S-Shield and Batkick) these guys are much more powerful. Speed steal (Flash) + time stop (Hal) means no one is doing anything to them.
Oh and 😖hifty:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/f2e10a70.jpg
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Except that scan is the beginning of Hal describing his plan which is then actually performed by the "good side of Hal imprinted on the ring" Marty/Thom.So yes. He can. Also, the rest of the scans:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/1f32a478.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/1f32a478.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/db444e7b.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/0c899a70.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/fc994039.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/e311da70.jpg
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
1. Hal COULD do that, but you're also assuming he's shielding the team from MMH's telepathy. That's gonna be taking up a lot of energy and willpower. And like I said, Superman has a good record of smashing through GL constructs. Also, keep in mind, Superman knows what Hal can do. Right when the bell rings he might decide to blitz him right off the bat before any shields go up, or Hal can do anything. And yeah, the Flash is there, but he has to contend with two speedsters at once, and keep in mind MMH is probably telepathically coordinating their efforts. He could get right into Flash's mind.2. True.
3. The Flash is clearly faster than Superman, but like I said, he can't deal with Superman and J'onn at once.
We don't know how much willpower it will take if any to shield from TP attacks. We don't know that the ring doesn't do it on it's own (I'm actually pretty confident that's how it works). Now it would take some if he were to try to shield Flash as well, but we don't even know that he would need to. MM might have a heck of a time trying to get into Flash's mind. And speedblitzing Hal is out because:
1. Superman moves faster than thought, but the ring can shield Hal in time. The ring has become even more sophisticalted and advanced computer like as of late.
2. Flash can lend Hal speed if need be and... possibly steal speed from team 1? (not sure on that part)
3. Flash could stand in the way if all else fails.
And Hal isn't just going to be standing there while Supes pounds away on his shields. He's going to attack, quickly and decisively. All he needs is an opening and he can take down Superman. A kryptonite bullet did a number on Superman, so again I get the image of what a gatlin gun filled with kryptonite bullets would do to him. Is MM still terrified of fire? How about a green flame special served right as the bell rings?
There's just so many ways that Team 2 can win. They have the offence and the defense to boot.
Originally posted by Odekahn
1. We can't say for sure but I would assume it's how it affects him on average. And no matter, it would be enough to weaken him. I think Hal would put up a good fight without it, add it in and I think he'd make quick work of Superman. I believe that Hal can do anything that Kyle would be able to do, he could create a Superman made of kryptonite to fight along side him in the same way Kyle created an entire Justice League. Hal could fire a kryptonite gatlin gun at Superman. The possibilities are endless.2. Who says it has to be GREEN kryptonite? Sure it may be green in color, but its effect could be that of red or whatever color.
3. What's Flash doing in your scenario?? I'm pretty sure He's not going to just be standing around...
Originally posted by Blair Wind
The ring is much more versatile than simply creating green constructs. For example, you said Superman might blitz him before he can create a shield - but it creates instant shields even before the user is aware of it. John had to send his ring light years away when he was about to kill himself - simply because if it had been in the vicinity it would have created a shield to protect him. GL's (outside of cannon fodder) get a "second life" power up basically. The ring can also be told to auto-fire on beings going faster than say Mach 1 so that the user doesn't have to focus on that. This can all be done without verbally telling the ring anything. And these are just simple commands that the user can give the ring - it can do much more complicated things such as teleport, time stop, molecular re-arrangement, create real individuals with real powers (Kyle created real beings with the Speed-Force, a Daxamite, etc), change their own DNA to grant them internal powers, etc.Basically, if I had a GL ring and you had Superman's powers and we were both operating at the same level as Superman or Hal in terms of how to use the power - I can guarantee you that you won't win.
With that said, I still back Flash/GL due to GL's versatility and Flash's almost unstoppable bag of tricks. Outside of Justice League books (where they have to pander to the S-Shield and Batkick) these guys are much more powerful. Speed steal (Flash) + time stop (Hal) means no one is doing anything to them.
Oh and 😖hifty:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/f2e10a70.jpg
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Don't know, man.Galactic level force punches and heat touches and making black holes trump that. And speed kills and all that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
There are at least some explanations no matter how foolish they sound are there for those foolish claims. There is nothing from superman that surprises me anymore. But lightspeed thor is just hilarious.
Not sure how lightspeed Thor is more hilarious or ludicrous than Flash punching with the force of thousand of galaxies in attoseconds. Lightspeed Thor would still be a high herald. Flash would be an abstract character the likes of which would spite thousand of high herald characters at once.
Originally posted by Q99
Supergirl's a weak link. WW needs a better dance partner.Team 1 or 2. It depends on how creative Flash and GL get. The fact that it's Hal and Wally hurts a little- they don't have the experience that other GL/Flash pairings do. They're likely to fight like two solos.
I'll go with team 1.
Agreed.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not sure how lightspeed Thor is more hilarious or ludicrous than Flash punching with the force of thousand of galaxies in attoseconds. Lightspeed Thor would still be a high herald. Flash would be an abstract character the likes of which would spite thousand of high herald characters at once.
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/superman147a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/superman147b.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegend
GLs can't produce kryptonite post crisis. Unlike pre crisis they don't produce the actual matter, just the hard light simulation of the said matter. Of course kyle created synthetic kryptonite once, but that one instance can be attributed to PIS.
And the hard light simulation has the same effect on Superman. It equals the same thing. And I just wanted to post this, lol.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I never saw a post that said such. As for superman, this is an example of what kind of insane shit he pulls off. This is non canon but stillhttp://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/superman147a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/superman147b.jpg
I've seen plenty, more than lightspeed Thor.
And those are cool feats, but forum Flash shits on that.
Originally posted by Odekahn
And the hard light simulation has the same effect on Superman. It equals the same thing. And I just wanted to post this, lol.
