Originally posted by abhilegend
Heat vision affects matter on a molecular level too, that makes superman a matter-manipulator?When? 8 years is a long time to affect some comic character's overall performance. If we go by that route can we use T-vo here?
Yes, just on a very small scale. A scale much smaller than that of a Green Lantern.
T-vo is different, in that writers have actively said they aren't touching it anymore. You can still use it, but nobody will really take you seriously.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He remembers his legion adventures exactly as they happened before crisis.
It makes those individual instances canon, not his entire pre-crisis library.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes, just on a very small scale. A scale much smaller than that of a Green Lantern.T-vo is different, in that writers have actively said they aren't touching it anymore. You can still use it, but nobody will really take you seriously.
It makes those individual instances canon, not his entire pre-crisis library.
That doesn't makes it non-canon. You want an interview with geoff johns confirming that gls can't matter manipulate anymore as if 8 years of writing doesn't makes it abundantly clear?
The same rule should be applied to gls too. If hal remembers making kryptonite post crisis then sure he can. But just saying he made it pre crisis wouldn't cut here.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope unless you want me to use superman heating entire planet.That doesn't makes it non-canon. You want an interview with geoff johns confirming that gls can't matter manipulate anymore as if 8 years of writing doesn't makes it abundantly clear?
The same rule should be applied to gls too. If hal remembers making kryptonite post crisis then sure he can. But just saying he made it pre crisis wouldn't cut here.
Yes, as heating an entire planet still doesn't compare to actively using coordinated, precise matter manipulation.
So you want to seperate Lanterns in to post crisis, and post crisis Johns eras? I can't see that happening, tbh.
and Johns has had Lanterns use matter manipulation, just not very often.
It's not the same thing. Lantern feats from pre crisis (some of them anyway) are still valid.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes, as heating an entire planet still doesn't compare to actively using coordinated, precise matter manipulation.So you want to seperate Lanterns in to post crisis, and post crisis Johns eras? I can't see that happening, tbh.
and Johns has had Lanterns use matter manipulation, just not very often.
It's not the same thing. Lantern feats from pre crisis (some of them anyway) are still valid.
Like what?
No, I just want to know what feats of matter manipulation gls have done post crisis.
Rly? When?
So are of superman, unless you want to say that the only part of DCP 26 where an alien creates kryptonite by hal's ring is canon and superman breaking hal's auto-shield like tissue paper in a punch is non canon to current day superman. It works in both ways.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Like what?No, I just want to know what feats of matter manipulation gls have done post crisis.
Rly? When?
So are of superman, unless you want to say that the only part of DCP 26 where an alien creates kryptonite by hal's ring is canon and superman breaking hal's auto-shield like tissue paper in a punch is non canon to current day superman. It works in both ways.
Like creating an atmosphere?
Post crisis, or during Johns' run? If you know, why are you asking?
When Hal saved cowgirl from the russians, he made an entire hospital room for her and stabilised her vital signs.
It's not the same, because Superman was heavily rebooted post crisis, so only the feats he directly references or that are referenced by the author count.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Like creating an atmosphere?Post crisis, or during Johns' run? If you know, why are you asking?
When Hal saved cowgirl from the russians, he made an entire hospital room for her and stabilised her vital signs.
It's not the same, because Superman was heavily rebooted post crisis, so only the feats he directly references or that are referenced by the author count.
I don't know honestly.
That was a construct IIRC.
Yeah and they rebooted him again after Infinite crisis making his entire legion history canon once again. Heck even mordru has acknowledged that superman as superboy and he have clashed many times before in LO3W. In adventure comics 12 it was shown that clark went many times to legion as superboy. I don't know how it can be more clear that his entire legion history was canon once again.
Originally posted by abhilegend
By who? Issue number or scans please.I don't know honestly.
That was a construct IIRC.
Yeah and they rebooted him again after Infinite crisis making his entire legion history canon once again. Heck even mordru has acknowledged that superman as superboy and he have clashed many times before in LO3W. In adventure comics 12 it was shown that clark went many times to legion as superboy. I don't know how it can be more clear that his entire legion history was canon once again.
It was in the John Byrne Superman days, I don't have a number to hand; lemme look.
It was a construct that was able to heal her. He even had a saline drip for her. To heal her/provide fluids would take matter manipulation, even on a small scale.
The adventures that are referenced, are canon, but still have to be consistent with his powers. Using some stupid high end feat just because it appeared in a Legion book doesn't really make sense.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It was in the John Byrne Superman days, I don't have a number to hand; lemme look.It was a construct that was able to heal her. He even had a saline drip for her. To heal her/provide fluids would take matter manipulation, even on a small scale.
The adventures that are referenced, are canon, but still have to be consistent with his powers. Using some stupid high end feat just because it appeared in a Legion book doesn't really make sense.
Ok.
That isn't very helpful for his case. Writers doesn't notice such facts.
It may not make the sense but that's irrelevant. It was blatantly shown and referenced that its canon and that's what matters. If you want to say he's vastly depowered than remember, he's at least stalemated and sometimes even defeated everyone that has a pre crisis connection like Pocket dimension superboy, Mon-El. Earth-2 superman etc.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok.That isn't very helpful for his case. Writers doesn't notice such facts.
It may not make the sense but that's irrelevant. It was blatantly shown and referenced that its canon and that's what matters. If you want to say he's vastly depowered than remember, he's at least stalemated and sometimes even defeated everyone that has a pre crisis connection like Pocket dimension superboy, Mon-El. Earth-2 superman etc.
Why not? You don't think someone who does as much research as Johns (his scripts are crazy detailed at times), would think of something like that?
I'm not saying it's not canon. Any referenced Legion adventures are canon to post crisis Superman. That isn't up for debate. What is, is the usefulness of some feats performed during that era.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Why not? You don't think someone who does as much research as Johns (his scripts are crazy detailed at times), would think of something like that?I'm not saying it's not canon. Any referenced Legion adventures are canon to post crisis Superman. That isn't up for debate. What is, is the usefulness of some feats performed during that era.
And why would be that?
Originally posted by abhilegend
If its shown as green then no it isn't matter manipulation. I would like to see the scan of it.And why would be that?
Being green doesn't mean it isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing. They've created green fire/water before, and it's done the job of actual fire or water. I don't have it on me; if someone could post it, i'd be grateful.
Unless you want to seperate Johns from other writers that have worked on Pre/Post Crisis Lanterns.
What do you mean why? Because certain things that pre-crisis Superman did are either ****ed-up stupid, or just out of his range. That's not a knock against Post Crisis Superman, rather a commentary on the retardedness of Pre Crisis.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Being green doesn't mean it isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing. They've created green fire/water before, and it's done the job of actual fire or water. I don't have it on me; if someone could post it, i'd be grateful.Unless you want to seperate Johns from other writers that have worked on Pre/Post Crisis Lanterns.
What do you mean why? Because certain things that pre-crisis Superman did are either ****ed-up stupid, or just out of his range. That's not a knock against Post Crisis Superman, rather a commentary on the retardedness of Pre Crisis.
Yeah, he is different than other writers who worked on gl before. He has actually referenced the depowerment of ring. Heck now they can't even teleport under ring's power.
Sixties' superman. After "Kryptonite nevermore" it was more consistent than post crisis superman IMO.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I would still like to see the scan btw. This is just to confirm what you are saying. No offense but you know that I only believe what I see. Just tell me the issue number and I would post it here.Yeah, he is different than other writers who worked on gl before. He has actually referenced the depowerment of ring. Heck now they can't even teleport under ring's power.
Sixties' superman. After "Kryptonite nevermore" it was more consistent than post crisis superman IMO.
Issue... 16, of the current Lantern run.
Where has he said that Lanterns can't teleport or use matter manipulation?
Huh?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Issue... 16, of the current Lantern run.Where has he said that Lanterns can't teleport or use matter manipulation?
Huh?
Nope, its a construct and can't be treated as matter manipulation unless it was specifically stated so.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/GreenLanter16-017.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/GreenLanter16-018.jpg
Read the new green lantern corps where a gl had to use his own teleportation power to escape.
Only sixties' superman was doing the crazy things you see on the internet today. Superman lost 2/3 of his powers and was consistently a planet mover since then.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, its a construct and can't be treated as matter manipulation unless it was specifically stated so.http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/GreenLanter16-017.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/GreenLanter16-018.jpgRead the new green lantern corps where a gl had to use his own teleportation power to escape.
Only sixties' superman was doing the crazy things you see on the internet today. Superman lost 2
Why not? You're saying a construct in and of itself can't be considered to be manipulating matter?
Scan?
Lost 2 what?
