Justice League Inner Battle

Originally posted by Odekahn
You said that I needed to bring proof that a GL can create radiation... If they couldn't, they wouldn't be able to blast powerful laser beams. You're the one who said it.

So you agree that a GL ring can create radiation? Yes or no?

Originally posted by Odekahn
Kind of like how Superman was amped when he built that city?

How about when Flash evacuated an entire city as a nuke was exploding? Do you think Superman could do that without being amped?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Did I mentioned city building anywhere? Flash was travelling under lightspeed whether flash fans like it or not. I don't see why not.

Actually, as it's been pointed out before, NO WHERE does it say a blue sun amps Superman's existing abilities. It's only been shown to give him new abilities.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nice strawman argument. Superman himself can produce X-rays, infrared and microwaves among other wavelengths. Of course they can shoot energy beams. They onlw do that and make constructs for nearly a decade now. I wanted a proof that they can produce anything other than green lasers. What are you trying to prove here?

It's not a strawman argument. I didn't make your case weak and then tear it down. I quoted you and responded to it.

Superman absorbs solar energy, and releases it through his eyes as heat vision. He doesn't manipulate it in the way that a GL manipulates lights and lasers (constructs) and we have seen the GL rings ability to create elements using said radiation, have we not? It is really beyond common sense that they can create kryptonite?

As a side note, even if you were to provide some form of proof and convince me that they can't create it (even though AGAIN the GL ring has been shown able to do this) that wouldn't ensure that team 1 would win, it would just mean that team 2 would actually have to work for it (I'd still think they'd be the winners lol).

Originally posted by abhilegend
And one more thing, if we take into account how flash's powers actually work and don't mesh two different aspect of his powers like his fanboys and comic fans in general tend to do i.e. IMP which is possible only at near light speed not above it and FTL speed, he would get beaten by superman without speed stealing which superman has willed out in past. People like to say that travelling way FTL he can deliver IMPs which is contradictory by itself.

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This post sums it up nicely.

And I still stand by my statement that Superman by himself can solo that team.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
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This post sums it up nicely.

And I still stand by my statement that Superman by himself can solo that team.

It sums up what? That Flash couldn't beat Superman by himself? I don't think anyone has argued that. It's the combination of Flash and GL that's beyond deadly.

I'll always give Flash the edge against Superma due to the speed stealing, which is something that has been acknowledged and shown as working on him within the comics. Without that tactic, I'd say team 1 comfortably plows through this match but, as it is, I believe that Flash is not an idiot for the purpose of a non-PIS forum match, and once Superman is nullified, team 2 wins it.

Originally posted by Odekahn
It's not a strawman argument. I didn't make your case weak and then tear it down. I quoted you and responded to it.

Superman absorbs solar energy, and releases it through his eyes as heat vision. He doesn't manipulate it in the way that a GL manipulates lights and lasers (constructs) and we have seen the GL rings ability to create elements using said radiation, have we not? It is really beyond common sense that they can create kryptonite?

As a side note, even if you were to provide some form of proof and convince me that they can't create it (even though AGAIN the GL ring has been shown able to do this) that wouldn't ensure that team 1 would win, it would just mean that team 2 would actually have to work for it (I'd still think they'd be the winners lol).

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'll always give Flash the edge against Superma due to the speed stealing, which is something that has been acknowledged and shown as working on him within the comics. Without that tactic, I'd say team 1 comfortably plows through this match but, as it is, I believe that Flash is not an idiot for the purpose of a non-PIS forum match, and once Superman is nullified, team 2 wins it.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'll always give Flash the edge against Superma due to the speed stealing, which is something that has been acknowledged and shown as working on him within the comics. Without that tactic, I'd say team 1 comfortably plows through this match but, as it is, I believe that Flash is not an idiot for the purpose of a non-PIS forum match, and once Superman is nullified, team 2 wins it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
can flash speed steal if superman is flying?

If Hal creates Flash a ring then Flash can fly too, so yeah.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Come on man, you can do better than that. GLs absorb energy in their rings and shoot it like lasers and create hard light images. Thats not uncommon in comics. Superman actually hypermetabolizes solar radiation and later converts it in heat when firing HV. I don't think that anything can convince you otherwise.

And their constructs are exactly what they will it to be. As I said before, the anvil is heavy, the fire is hot, the glue is sticky, the water is wet, and the kryptonite is kryptonite, lol.

You're right, you can't convince me because you don't have the proof to do it.

Originally posted by Odekahn
And their constructs are exactly what they will it to be. As I said before, the anvil is heavy, the fire is hot, the glue is sticky, the water is wet, and the kryptonite is kryptonite, lol.

You're right, you can't convince me because you don't have the proof to do it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has willed himself out of having his kinetic energy stolen before against those new gods kids in camelot falls.

We're talking completely different magnitudes.

Not only that, but Jay himself has been shown as quite capable of stealing Superman's speed, while a noob at it (taught in doing it by Wally, funnily enough). And we have Wally himself, stating that he could steal all of Superman's kinetic energy and stop him cold:

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supeswallyrace2.jpg

It's quite clear that this tactic would work.

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm@ these mismatches.
Hard light images, man.

Hard light constructs that take on the property of what's being willed into existence. It's not just a picture of something. It's a construct. If it's only a hard image, then how is the water wet and how is the fire hot? How is the glue sticky and the anvil heavy?

I can get behind a hard light construct being hot. But the Water tends to fuck with your theory a bit. I can't imagine how Hard Light could be wet. Only explanation is that it's more than just Hard Light.

The water's wet because the hard light flows and breaks into little droplets and all that.

Originally posted by Blight
I can get behind a hard light construct being hot. But the Water tends to fu[b]ck with your theory a bit. I can't imagine how Hard Light could be wet. Only explanation is that it's more than just Hard Light. [/B]

And that's just one example. Again with glue being sticky, and tons upon tons of other examples.

Originally posted by Philosophía
He broke out of the block generated by a New God kid, before it was finished shutting down his cells. That's quite different than defending against somebody that has shown himself capable of stealing a planet's worth of kinetic energy or capable of going even further, and stop that a person's (in this case a speedster, Inertia) ability to generate more kinetic energy in the first place:

We're talking completely different magnitudes.

Not only that, but Jay himself has been shown as quite capable of stealing Superman's speed, while a noob at it (taught in doing it by Wally, funnily enough). And we have Wally himself, stating that he could steal all of Superman's kinetic energy and stop him cold:

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supeswallyrace2.jpg

It's quite clear that this tactic would work.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Hard light constructs that take on the property of what's being willed into existence. It's not just a picture of something. It's a construct. If it's only a hard image, then how is the water wet and how is the fire hot? How is the glue sticky and the anvil heavy?