Justice League Inner Battle

Superman ALWAYS holds back. Keep that in mind. In the Doomsday fight, he just stopped holding back in the end, and we saw what happened then. A non-holding back Superman is going to shatter Hal's shields. And kryptonite is in no way, shape, or form an auto-win against Superman. His resistance to Kryptonite had been steadily increasing every year to the point where he's trading blows with SBP on a planet of the stuff. And there have been many other examples posted in this thread of him resisting it as well.

Also, if we go by your scenario, where Flash goes to lend GL speed, well, that means he's distracted (even if for a mili-second) and that's enough time for Superman to move in and beat Hal's brains in, or shatter the shields. And MMH's TP is going to get to Flash if Hal isn't shielding him. And you're giving Hal a lot of credit thinking he can simulataneously:

1) Shield them both from TP

2) Resist Superman smashing the shields

3) Fire thousands or kryptonite bullets at Superman

AND:

4) Give Flash a ring.

That's just not going to happen. And really for their team to win, he has to be at least doing 3 of those things at once. WHILE Flash is distracted giving Hal speed. And if he's giving Hal speed, he's definitely not stealing Superman's at the same time.

Do you think Superman is almost as fast as Flash? Where are you getting that from? Flash is insanely faster than Superman.

Also I'm not saying kryptonite is an auto win against Superman. I'm saying that what Green Lantern can do to Superman with kryptonite is an auto win.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Superman ALWAYS holds back. Keep that in mind. In the Doomsday fight, he just stopped holding back in the end, and we saw what happened then. A non-holding back Superman is going to shatter Hal's shields. And kryptonite is in no way, shape, or form an auto-win against Superman. His resistance to Kryptonite had been steadily increasing every year to the point where he's trading blows with SBP on a planet of the stuff. And there have been many other examples posted in this thread of him resisting it as well.

Also, if we go by your scenario, where Flash goes to lend GL speed, well, that means he's distracted (even if for a mili-second) and that's enough time for Superman to move in and beat Hal's brains in, or shatter the shields. And MMH's TP is going to get to Flash if Hal isn't shielding him. And you're giving Hal a lot of credit thinking he can simulataneously:

1) Shield them both from TP

2) Resist Superman smashing the shields

3) Fire thousands or kryptonite bullets at Superman

AND:

4) Give Flash a ring.

That's just not going to happen. And really for their team to win, he has to be at least doing 3 of those things at once. WHILE Flash is distracted giving Hal speed. And if he's giving Hal speed, he's definitely not stealing Superman's at the same time.

Oh, and if a GL can recreate an entire active city and a planet, I'm sure the above wouldn't be out of the question. But that's not even how I see it all going down.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Provide me the source that lanterns have lost this ability. When a GL ring has been shown to be capable of this, and you claim it cannot be done, the burden of proof IS on you.

Kyle was a rookie, lol. I don't see how this is hard to understand. The GL ring has evolved into a sophisticated computer. In the latest GL issue it provided Hal an entire 100 million square mile map of an alien planet. You don't think it knows the compounds of kryptonite?

Even if Hal doesn't know, the ring would.

That's one of their abilities, lol. They can also do other things like... oh... create pocket dimensions, create elements within their constructs, translate alien languages, etc. etc. etc.

I compared an element to an element, yes. And that a GL ring can mimic each.

Except that's not really the point I was making. My point had nothing to do with John Stewert. The point was that a GL can hurt Superman even without kryptonite and that with it, Superman doesn't stand a chance.

And yet Hal has stood toe to toe with the likes of Mongul (with a broken arm at that) and fist fought him. Even in the new Justice League series, Supes was breaking through Hal's shield (Hal's a rookie at this point) but it wasn't with a single shot. It was repeated shots and Hal's shields were starting to crack.

But even IF he wasn't able to create kryptonite (which he could) team 1 could be facing two Flash GLs. Wally lends Hal speed, and Hal creates a ring for Wally. It's ownage by team 2 no matter what way you look at it.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Do you think Superman is almost as fast as Flash? Where are you getting that from? Flash is insanely faster than Superman.

Also I'm not saying kryptonite is an auto win against Superman. I'm saying that what Green Lantern can do to Superman with kryptonite is an auto win.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Do you think Superman is almost as fast as Flash? Where are you getting that from? Flash is insanely faster than Superman.

Well, in the flash's own words, he said Superman USED TO BE faster than him. Also, there's the fact that their races have been incredibly close (also keep in mind Superman won't go his full speed in the atmosphere for fear of destroying things). There's the fact that Superman has rebuilt an entire city in seconds.

I'm not saying Superman is as fast as the Flash, but the difference isn't like it is between Superman and the Hulk.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Well, in the flash's own words, he said Superman USED TO BE faster than him. Also, there's the fact that their races have been incredibly close (also keep in mind Superman won't go his full speed in the atmosphere for fear of destroying things). There's the fact that Superman has rebuilt an entire city in seconds.

I'm not saying Superman is as fast as the Flash, but the difference isn't like it is between Superman and the Hulk.

Originally posted by Blight
Actually, it probably is about that different. Flash is immensely faster than Superman.

Like I said, keep in mind, a lot of the situations where Flash is shown to be a LOT faster than Superman, have to do with the fact that unlike the Flashes- he doesn't have an aura that cancels out his affect on the environment. When he goes super-sonic, sonic booms follow. If Superman was to tear around Earth at lightspeeds, imagine the devestation that would follow in his wake. Superman is potentially capable of such speed, he'd never use it on Earth because of that. Superman has a TON of REALLY high end speed feats. On top of that, many situations people cite to show Flash being WAY above Superman in speed tend to omit info, like the Zoom Flash fight they ran across every inch of the planet three times in one second and Superman didn´t even notice them as they passed him by (but Wally was fully amped with the speed of several Flash-class speedsters and the Quick Family Speed Formula).

I want to be clear though...Flash IS FASTER than Superman.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Also, there's the fact that their races have been incredibly close

Except for their most recent race in rebirth...

And one more thing, if we take into account how flash's powers actually work and don't mesh two different aspect of his powers like his fanboys and comic fans in general tend to do i.e. IMP which is possible only at near light speed not above it and FTL speed, he would get beaten by superman without speed stealing which superman has willed out in past. People like to say that travelling way FTL he can deliver IMPs which is contradictory by itself.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He is fast enough to tag him.
You still going with that one time kryptonite instance transplanting from kyle to hal?

It's not a Kyle/Hal issue. It's the fact that the GL ring itself is capable of such...

Originally posted by Odekahn
Except for their most recent race in rebirth...

Originally posted by Odekahn
It's not a Kyle/Hal issue. It's the fact that the GL ring itself is capable of such...

Originally posted by abhilegend
You just has to bring proof that gls can produce radiation after that period.

Seriously? What do you think a laser is?? I'll give you a hint... it starts with a R... ends with an N... and has adiatio somewhere in the middle.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Barry still had the black flash amp then.

Oh, so that's why he purposefully told Superman that he was running slow in those charity races so Superman could keep up with him then...I guess he had it all along /rollseyes

Originally posted by Odekahn
Seriously? What do you think a laser is?? I'll give you a hint... it starts with a R... ends with an N... and has adiatio somewhere in the middle.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Oh, so that's why he purposefully told Superman that he was running slow in those charity races so Superman could keep up with him then...I guess he had it all along /rollseyes

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? I mean really? You think that firing green lasers is what I had in mind when I said gls can't shoot radiation? C'mon.

You said that I needed to bring proof that a GL can create radiation... If they couldn't, they wouldn't be able to blast powerful laser beams. You're the one who said it.

So you agree that a GL ring can create radiation? Yes or no?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Did I ever said otherwise? I just said that race isn't applicable here as flash was amped.

Kind of like how Superman was amped when he built that city?

How about when Flash evacuated an entire city as a nuke was exploding? Do you think Superman could do that without being amped?