Relax man, this isnt a fight, its a friendly comic book discussion. You and I just see things differently, its all good, dont have to be so aggressive about it.
Besides, HOTM Hulk is hardly a commonly used, seen or referenced Hulk, certainly not ont being used in this thread, which I think weve sidetracked enough at this point. 🙂
Originally posted by DTMThat's Hulk at his absolute best. He's just on another level than any DD we've ever seen at this point.
Relax man, this isnt a fight, its a friendly comic book discussion. You and I just see things differently, its all good, dont have to be so aggressive about it.Besides, HOTM Hulk is hardly a commonly used, seen or referenced Hulk, certainly not ont being used in this thread, which I think weve sidetracked enough at this point. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Confidence is everything in a fight. Superman was nowhere near as confident as he can be thus weakened from a psychological standpoint.
I was just poking fun since you mentioned confidence and Gladiator's whole dependency on it. Oh, and since him and Supes are a lot alike.
I do agree with you that it makes a big difference, but it doesn't affect Supes nearly as much as it does Gladiator.
Originally posted by OdekahnIt did affect the outcome. When we see Superman take him on in doomsday wars and infinite crisis he looks a lot better than the superman from hp.
I was just poking fun since you mentioned confidence and Gladiator's whole dependency on it. Oh, and since him and Supes are a lot alike.I do agree with you that it makes a big difference, but it doesn't affect Supes nearly as much as it does Gladiator.
Originally posted by DTMThat amp did really nothing imo. It was an amp but I'd take Superman confident over the mother box amped Superman from hp.
Overall Superman was fine fighting Doomsday in HP (he was far from a terrified wreck anyway), he also actually had a Mother Box boosting him up as well, and even after Doomsday trashed Darkseid, the amped Superman was virtually nothing to him.
Superman got slaughtered by Doomsday in The Doomsday Wars (DD actually beat down him, Jonn and Orion togehter in that series). Superman started doing well against DD later not because he was more confident then, but because DD started to evolve intelligence, rational thought, fear of pain and death, thats why most threads with Doomsday are from HP/DW, as thats around when he was at his strongest and most savage (pre intellect boost) And the Mother Box amp provided healing, armor, and weaponry for Superman, and he still got demolished by DD, and this just after DD ripped Darkseid apart (replace DD there with Hulk and I just dont see the same outcome)
Originally posted by DTMSuperman was being slaughtered by Brainiac DD not regular DD. Superman and his friends beat him in a few minutes.
Superman got slaughtered by Doomsday in The Doomsday Wars (DD actually beat down him, Jonn and Orion togehter in that series). Superman started doing well against DD later not because he was more confident then, but because DD started to evolve intelligence, rational thought, fear of pain and death, thats why most threads with Doomsday are from HP/DW, as thats around when he was at his strongest and most savage (pre intellect boost) And the Mother Box amp provided healing, armor, and weaponry for Superman, and he still got demolished by DD, and this just after DD ripped Darkseid apart (replace DD there with Hulk and I just dont see the same outcome)
Originally posted by DTMSuperman wasn't wrecked he got hit. He then beat DD in a few minutes with the help of the team. In Infinite Crisis he and Kal-L beat him in a few panels.
No, actually DDs savage mind had kicked out Brainiac by the time that DD was wrecking Superman, Orion and MM (three High Herald level beings), which was at the end of DW.
Originally posted by DTMWhat am I misremembering ?
Youre remembering DW wrong, Im afraid. And DD in IC was later on, post intelligence, and that was a minor almost off camera appearance for him there.
Originally posted by abhilegendWhat have I left out ? It was a simple plot device win in a few minutes. There was nothing epic about that win over Doomsday.
Context quan, context.