Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Is like the big bang isn't the big bang.
His suit being ruptured ended a universe, except a Monitor, a little plant, and Prime.
Sorry, but Ray Palmer's visual observation isn't actually evidence.
Furthermore his power was released later on in the same issue showing it can set off a chain reaction to destroy the universe but the initial blast didn't destroy a continent let alone the planet.
I guess Thanos's showing sucked because Odin was clearly holding back because he wasn't destroying galaxies.
You brought up real world science and the amount of nukes to destroy the planet is so insanely high it's funny.
And you know what those nukes wouldn't do? They wouldn't push the planet to Mars. 🙂
No, all fiction.
Prove it. Comics are inherently inconsistent due to multiple writers and their varied interpretations of the characters. Prove that other words are equally inconsistent.
You're one of those fans that Busiek the writer mocked.
Oh no! A fat middle-aged man with a neckbeard mocked me!
Kurt Busiek was only talking about the comics medium, if I recall right.
Yes, you do.
Provide evidence to justify your slandering of my character.
The blast was designed to stop him and Hulk was still holding back.
"Holding back"? He was trying not to destroy the world, he can hardly lower his durability at will when so pissed off. Prove he can.
Also, it being designed to stop him doesn't mean a whole lot when the laser itself was unimpressive.
You see, this is how you are. You hype the showings of your character to the highest possible degree, but then you try to bring up the lowest showings to hurt the opposition, even if it was a weaker incarnation of the character.
I don't think it's a low showing I am using it as an example to show you how inconsistent this all is.
If you wanted to bring up inconsistence regarding Prime, Connor making him bleed is a better example.
Try to destroy a bullet at rest under your own power. Now tell me if your body can stop a bullet while being fired at you. One is a possibility one isn't.
It is hilarious that you bring this up, considering your average hand-gun bullet is going to shatter and break once it is inside of you from the force of impact. It's fun when you destroy your own argument. But that is disregarding that Prime could effortlessly stop a planet's natural orbit and push it through space at FTL speeds. Aka, much more impressive than destroying a planet.
It's al theoretical you can't even tell me how much power can lay waste to a planet. How can't you grasp that.
... I already did, do you have short-term memory loss? 😬
About 2.24e+32 joules. Which is a lot. But moving a planet to Mar's orbit alone is a full order of magnitude greater. Aka nearly ten times.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to moving at the speed of light which changes things ya know. You know it's that whole faster you go thing which you seem unable to grasp or should I said say selectively.You can continue to act like you're a man when I know this not to be the case. You're similar to Superboy prime in that regard. Fitting since you champion him here.
Just be consistent and fair like myself. Your lesson is over, boy.
Read this
Originally posted by ozz81
WB Hulk vs Superman Prime in the following1. H2H
2. All out battle both use all the powers they have at their disposalwho wins in each of the above both at best and why?
Just by you saying "Due to moving at the speed of light which changes things ya know" You have already indirectly concede that Moving a planet >>>>>>> busting a planet.
Regardless of Speed, strength or BOTH Moving a planet >>>>>>>>> busting a planet and NUDGING a planet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> busting a planet
As the OP ask "All out battle both use all the powers they have at their disposal"
SBP wins on this form
Do you always dodge questions? or is it just when You are loosing?
Originally posted by NemeBroYes, in that instance he did cause a chain reaction not in the first nuke like explosion. The one which hurt prime didn't even start a chain reaction which destroyed the planet. 🙂
His suit being ruptured ended a universe, except a Monitor, a little plant, and Prime.Sorry, but Ray Palmer's visual observation isn't actually evidence.
I guess Thanos's showing sucked because Odin was clearly holding back because he wasn't destroying galaxies.
And you know what those nukes wouldn't do? They wouldn't push the planet to Mars. 🙂
Prove it. Comics are inherently inconsistent due to multiple writers and their varied interpretations of the characters. Prove that other words are equally inconsistent.
Oh no! A fat middle-aged man with a neckbeard mocked me!
Kurt Busiek was only talking about the comics medium, if I recall right.
Provide evidence to justify your slandering of my character.
"Holding back"? He was trying not to destroy the world, he can hardly lower his durability at will when so pissed off. Prove he can.
Also, it being designed to stop him doesn't mean a whole lot when the laser itself was unimpressive.
You see, this is how you are. You hype the showings of your character to the highest possible degree, but then you try to bring up the lowest showings to hurt the opposition, even if it was a weaker incarnation of the character.
If you wanted to bring up inconsistence regarding Prime, Connor making him bleed is a better example.
It is hilarious that you bring this up, considering your average hand-gun bullet is going to shatter and break once it is inside of you from the force of impact. It's fun when you destroy your own argument. But that is disregarding that Prime could effortlessly stop a planet's natural orbit and push it through space at FTL speeds. Aka, much more impressive than destroying a planet.
... I already did, do you have short-term memory loss? 😬
About 2.24e+32 joules. Which is a lot. But moving a planet to Mar's orbit alone is a full order of magnitude greater. Aka nearly ten times.
Do you read what I post ? Not once do I seriously give any credibility towards the collateral damage argument I am just poking holes in your case. Odin also oneshotted Surfer but his first attack didn't cause Thanos' penis to budge.
So a rocket's force to mars is more powerful than the combined power of the nukes destroying the planet ?
Holding back means he was holding his rage back which affects his durability. strength, healing factor. If you don't even understand how the Hulk's powers function why put yourself in a debate against him. Seems rather odd.
Prime was being hurt by Krypto when he first showed up. He's been consistently hurt by Connor. You relying on highest feats only while ignoring the lower ones is inconsistent.
Prime needed an amp to destroy a planet he didn't need one to move a planet. See what I did there.
It's theoretical. They don't know how much power. That's the point you keep missing.
Originally posted by biensalsaNo, I said speed increases the point of impact. Prime also never flew into someone at the speed of light. This is how they fight in character.
Read thisJust by you saying "Due to moving at the speed of light which changes things ya know" You have already indirectly concede that Moving a planet >>>>>>> busting a planet.
Regardless of Speed, strength or BOTH Moving a planet >>>>>>>>> busting a planet and NUDGING a planet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> busting a planet
As the OP ask "All out battle both use all the powers they have at their disposal"
SBP wins on this form
Do you always dodge questions? or is it just when You are loosing?
In one scenario Prime needed an amp to display the power to destroy one through flight and in another scenario he did so under his regular powers moved it really far.
Hulk's stronger based on feats and not needing flight. Prime also doesn't use his flight to fly directly into someone to destroy them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, in that instance he did cause a chain reaction not in the first nuke like explosion. The one which hurt prime didn't even start a chain reaction which destroyed the planet. 🙂
Because Monarch was actually in control of his cosmic power, rather than having it all forcefully released at one time.
What is your point? Do you even know?
Do you read what I post ? Not once do I seriously give any credibility towards the collateral damage argument I am just poking holes in your case.
> I provide a logical and science-backed argument for why destroying a planet requires less energy than moving one?
> Quan brings up Prime being hurt by a "nuke" fired by Monarch, totally irrelevant to my case.
> I ask why he did that and said that the "lack of collateral damage" argument isn't a legitimate one.
> Quan says that he never seriously gives credibility to it (As I don't), but was only using it to poke holes in my case, a case I never made.
> Everyone else laughs at Quan.
Odin also oneshotted Surfer but his first attack didn't cause Thanos' penis to budge.
Good for Thanos. Nowhere did I ever claim Thanos wasn't durable, only that by the logic you were using against Prime, he could be argued not to be. Idiotically no doubt, but there you go.
So a rocket's force to mars is more powerful than the combined power of the nukes destroying the planet ?
Quan, think very carefully about what you just asked me. Because there are essentially two options here, that you either worded that badly (And as such you should alter your wording), or that what you appeared to claim was so mind-numbingly idiotic it really doesn't warrant a response.
Did you just really compare a rocket going to Mars to moving Earth to Mars?
Holding back means he was holding his rage back which affects his durability. strength, healing factor. If you don't even understand how the Hulk's powers function why put yourself in a debate against him. Seems rather odd.
Lol? Did you even read the book?
The reason WBH needed to be shot with a laser was because he was so pissed off that he couldn't hold it back, hence why a footstep threatened to sink the Eastern Seaboard.
According to you, he was able to hold his rage back. Then why was the satellite laser necessary?
Come on now quan, this isn't hard.
Prime was being hurt by Krypto when he first showed up. He's been consistently hurt by Connor. You relying on highest feats only while ignoring the lower ones is inconsistent.
He also took punches from Black Adam without so much as a twinge of pain (While his magic immunity explains the lightning not harming him, Black Adam still has around Superman level strength). He has overpowered Wonder Woman, Superman, Martian Manhunter, two Flashes, Power Girl, Supergirl, and others at the same time, with but a single ray of sunlight shining on his fingertips. He's taken a punch from Bart Allen after Bart absorbed the entire Speed Force, with only a broken nose. Worth noting is that Bart appeared to hurt his own hand doing so:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/aaloutbart.jpg
Judging by the blood and his glove ripping.
I acknowledge that Superboy Prime has had bad showings and that they are canon, but they shouldn't be given the same credibility as his more common good showings.
Prime needed an amp to destroy a planet he didn't need one to move a planet. See what I did there.
First of all:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/shift.jpg
Prime can shove planets into each other, devastating them, casually, at base.
Second of all, as you saw in the Bart scan, Superboy Prime plans to fly through Oa at a great enough speed to destroy the universe.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/aaloutbart2.jpg
Martian Manhunter and the rest of the heroes take this threat very seriously.
Third of all: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Though I don't even really need to bring that up. Superboy Prime has better feats than destroying a planet, arguing that he couldn't is just being disingenuous.
It's theoretical. They don't know how much power. That's the point you keep missing.
Lol.
So theoretical there is a formula for quantifying it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_binding_energy#cite_note-Chandrasekhar_1939-0
Do note that the numbers for destroying the Earth are in the article. 2.24 · 10^32 J. Done by a physicist who is a Nobel Prize winner on his studies for celestial bodies.
Also: You are aware you are a hypocrite, right? You cry "It's theoretical!" but at the same time hamfistedly attempt to use the estimate of the amount of nukes needed to blow up Earth to prove me wrong (Not that you did, you certainly did not).
Face it dude. I won.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Because Monarch was actually in control of his cosmic power, rather than having it all forcefully released at one time.What is your point? Do you even know?
> I provide a logical and science-backed argument for why destroying a planet requires less energy than moving one?
> Quan brings up Prime being hurt by a "nuke" fired by Monarch, totally irrelevant to my case.
> I ask why he did that and said that the "lack of collateral damage" argument isn't a legitimate one.
> Quan says that he never seriously gives credibility to it (As I don't), but was only using it to poke holes in my case, a case I never made.
> Everyone else laughs at Quan.Good for Thanos. Nowhere did I ever claim Thanos wasn't durable, only that by the logic you were using against Prime, he could be argued not to be. Idiotically no doubt, but there you go.
Quan, think very carefully about what you just asked me. Because there are essentially two options here, that you either worded that badly (And as such you should alter your wording), or that what you appeared to claim was so mind-numbingly idiotic it really doesn't warrant a response.
Did you just really compare a rocket going to Mars to moving Earth to Mars?
Lol? Did you even read the book?
The reason WBH needed to be shot with a laser was because he was so pissed off that he couldn't hold it back, hence why a footstep threatened to sink the Eastern Seaboard.
According to you, he was able to hold his rage back. Then why was the satellite laser necessary?
Come on now quan, this isn't hard.
He also took punches from Black Adam without so much as a twinge of pain (While his magic immunity explains the lightning not harming him, Black Adam still has around Superman level strength). He has overpowered Wonder Woman, Superman, Martian Manhunter, two Flashes, Power Girl, Supergirl, and others at the same time, with but a single ray of sunlight shining on his fingertips. He's taken a punch from Bart Allen after Bart absorbed the entire Speed Force, with only a broken nose. Worth noting is that Bart appeared to hurt his own hand doing so:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/aaloutbart.jpg
Judging by the blood and his glove ripping.
I acknowledge that Superboy Prime has had bad showings and that they are canon, but they shouldn't be given the same credibility as his more common good showings.
First of all:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/shift.jpg
Prime can shove planets into each other, devastating them, casually, at base.
Second of all, as you saw in the Bart scan, Superboy Prime plans to fly through Oa at a great enough speed to destroy the universe.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/aaloutbart2.jpg
Martian Manhunter and the rest of the heroes take this threat very seriously.
Third of all: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Though I don't even really need to bring that up. Superboy Prime has better feats than destroying a planet, arguing that he couldn't is just being disingenuous.
Lol.
So theoretical there is a formula for quantifying it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_binding_energy#cite_note-Chandrasekhar_1939-0
Do note that the numbers for destroying the Earth are in the article. 2.24 · 10^32 J. Done by a physicist who is a Nobel Prize winner on his studies for celestial bodies.
Also: You are aware you are a hypocrite, right? You cry "It's theoretical!" but at the same time hamfistedly attempt to use the estimate of the amount of nukes needed to blow up Earth to prove me wrong (Not that you did, you certainly did not).
Face it dude. I won.
Originally posted by NemeBroYes, so when he's in control the blast wasn't even great enough to destroy the planet let alone the universe. So of course it was far less powerful than a planetary destroying blast since he was in control of it.
Because Monarch was actually in control of his cosmic power, rather than having it all forcefully released at one time.
That one nuke which wasn't powerful enough to destroy a planet doesn't make Prime no selling a planetary destroying charge but then again being hurt by a nuke like blast.
What is your point? Do you even know?[/B]
Comics aren't based on logic and reason. You can continue to act like they are but then again you know deep down you're wrong.
> I provide a logical and science-backed argument for why destroying a planet requires less energy than moving one?
> Quan brings up Prime being hurt by a "nuke" fired by Monarch, totally irrelevant to my case.
> I ask why he did that and said that the "lack of collateral damage" argument isn't a legitimate one.
> Quan says that he never seriously gives credibility to it (As I don't), but was only using it to poke holes in my case, a case I never made.
> Everyone else laughs at Quan.[/B]
Comics are inconsistent. In one arc someone survived black holes yet in another wolverine slashes you. In your world it all makes sense. It's comics, dude.
Good for Thanos. Nowhere did I ever claim Thanos wasn't durable, only that by the logic you were using against Prime, he could be argued not to be. Idiotically no doubt, but there you go.[/B]
I said it's harder to destroy a planet that it is to move one. My evidence is Prime needed an amp but not so when he moved the planets.
Quan, think very carefully about what you just asked me. Because there are essentially two options here, that you either worded that badly (And as such you should alter your wording), or that what you appeared to claim was so mind-numbingly idiotic it really doesn't warrant a response.Did you just really compare a rocket going to Mars to moving Earth to Mars?[/B]
He was holding back. It's been referenced in a later book. Sorry but the Hulk didn't end in ww hulk 5. Get a clue. Honestly. That's how powerful he was while still doing his best to hold back.
Lol? Did you even read the book?The reason WBH needed to be shot with a laser was because he was so pissed off that he couldn't hold it back, hence why a footstep threatened to sink the Eastern Seaboard.[/B]
A comic claimed this not me. He was doing his best to contain the eage as best he could. You do realize it's possible to be crazy mad but still not fully give into it, right ? This isn't hard, nemebro.
According to you, he was able to hold his rage back. Then why was the satellite laser necessary?Come on now quan, this isn't hard.[/B]
His punches were magically amped. That was what the scene implied. It hits the writer in the face with it. Apparently it missed you.
He also took punches from Black Adam without so much as a twinge of pain (While his magic immunity explains the lightning not harming him, Black Adam still has around Superman level strength). He has overpowered Wonder Woman, Superman, Martian Manhunter, two Flashes, Power Girl, Supergirl, and others at the same time, with but a single ray of sunlight shining on his fingertips. He's taken a punch from Bart Allen after Bart absorbed the entire Speed Force, with only a broken nose. Worth noting is that Bart appeared to hurt his own hand doing so:http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/aaloutbart.jpg
Judging by the blood and his glove ripping.[/B]
Yes, overpowered them. He didn't best them. The sun amped him back and he used his strength to break free. Yes, he's looked impressive and then not looked impressive. Welcome to comics where things vary from story to story.
They all get factored in not just the high ones. That's your problem you pick and choose.
I acknowledge that Superboy Prime has had bad showings and that they are canon, but they shouldn't be given the same credibility as his more common good showings. [/B]
I know he can since it's easier to do.
First of all:http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/shift.jpg
Prime can shove planets into each other, devastating them, casually, at base.
Second of all, as you saw in the Bart scan, Superboy Prime plans to fly through Oa at a great enough speed to destroy the universe.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/aaloutbart2.jpg
Martian Manhunter and the rest of the heroes take this threat very seriously.[/B]
He speculated it would destroy the universe. It will end lives. They'd take it seriously if he was flying into any planet.
I never said he didn't but he's never destroyed a planet while unamped.
Third of all: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Though I don't even really need to bring that up. Superboy Prime has better feats than destroying a planet, arguing that he couldn't is just being disingenuous.
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Comics and reality don't go hand in hand. That's the whole point and any physicist you find doesn't really know it's speculation. You can dance around all you want this is comics here where reality doesn't really factor in.
Lol.So theoretical there is a formula for quantifying it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_binding_energy#cite_note-Chandrasekhar_1939-0
Do note that the numbers for destroying the Earth are in the article. 2.24 · 10^32 J. Done by a physicist who is a Nobel Prize winner on his studies for celestial bodies.
Also: You are aware you are a hypocrite, right? You cry "It's theoretical!" but at the same time hamfistedly attempt to use the estimate of the amount of nukes needed to blow up Earth to prove me wrong (Not that you did, you certainly did not).
Face it dude. I won. [/B]
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, so when he's in control the blast wasn't even great enough to destroy the planet let alone the universe. So of course it was far less powerful than a planetary destroying blast since he was in control of it.
Your reasoning borders on the insane. Why would Monarch destroy the planet? For fun? You are familiar with the concept of characters with energy manipulation using their power to increase the potency of their attacks without doing so to the volume, right? I mean, not every blast a bloodlusted Galactus throws is going to blow up a planet, but he can still easily do it.
That one nuke which wasn't powerful enough to destroy a planet doesn't make Prime no selling a planetary destroying charge but then again being hurt by a nuke like blast.
Oh quan, you and your irrelevant tangents... Anyway, already addressed your irrelevant tangent above.
Comics aren't based on logic and reason. You can continue to act like they are but then again you know deep down you're wrong.
My basis: Scientific knowledge and reason.
Quan's basis: Nothing but biased personal interpretation.
Gee guys, which one of us has better backing for our claim?
It's relevant to my case that comics are inconsistent with reality.
Uh, characters having inconsistent showings doesn't inherently have shit to do with reality (Though obviously many comics and basically all superhero comics ignore aspects of reality, as any FTL character could tell you).
I say in general it doesn't add up but for the sake of argument show how inconsistent feats and what not are in the same story.
Because the feat you are cherry-picking isn't that inconsistent. No more inconsistent than blasts that aren't even busting city blocks harming Thanos are.
Yes, you said you can always argue scientifically when comics doesn't jive with physics.
I said basing my stance on science compared to basing it on nothing, like you are doing, is preferable. 🙂
Comics are inconsistent. In one arc someone survived black holes yet in another wolverine slashes you. In your world it all makes sense. It's comics, dude.
Want to know what is consistent?
Wolverine's claws being able to cut basically whatever the **** they want to. 😐 Including characters who do shit like survive black holes. While physically impossible IRL, it is consistent in the Marvel universe.
I said it's harder to destroy a planet that it is to move one. My evidence is Prime needed an amp but not so when he moved the planets.
Prove he needed the amp to destroy the planet, when on-panel evidence dictates he could do the same to Oa and so much more. 🙂
He was holding back. It's been referenced in a later book. Sorry but the Hulk didn't end in ww hulk 5. Get a clue. Honestly. That's how powerful he was while still doing his best to hold back.
A comic claimed this not me. He was doing his best to contain the eage as best he could. You do realize it's possible to be crazy mad but still not fully give into it, right ? This isn't hard, nemebro.
He was keeping himself from punching the shit out of things. Prove that he lessened his actual rage and as such his durability. 🙂
His punches were magically amped. That was what the scene implied. It hits the writer in the face with it. Apparently it missed you.
Are you illiterate?
They were magically amped, which I acknowledged. What that means is that Black Adam's magic amps were doing nothing, not his punches themselves (But they might as well have done nothing).
Yes, overpowered them. He didn't best them.
El oh el.
The sun amped him back and he used his strength to break free. Yes, he's looked impressive and then not looked impressive. Welcome to comics where things vary from story to story.
With a tiny bit of sunlight absorbed, he overpowered all of those heroes.
They all get factored in not just the high ones. That's your problem you pick and choose.
Oh okay, next Silver Surfer thread I'll let people know that any skilled peak human should be able to get him into an armbar.
I'm not picking just the high ones. If I were doing that, I would be bringing up how GA Prime made Mxy look like a helpless child. But I don't, because that was stupid as hell. Wanna know what is consistent though? Prime dominating multiple top tier beings at once. 🙂
I know he can since it's easier to do.
Prove it.
He speculated it would destroy the universe. It will end lives. They'd take it seriously if he was flying into any planet.
Right, because he would destroy it.
Also, lol. You take Ray Palmer calling Monarch's blast a "nuke" at face value, but not Superboy Prime's claim and multiple heroes affirming their worry over it being true? A hypocrite to the end, eh quan?
I never said he didn't but he's never destroyed a planet while unamped.
> Shows that he knows Prime has better feats than destroying a planet.
> Still claims that because only GA Prime has been shown destroying a planet, base Prime can't.
> Everyone laughs.
Comics and reality don't go hand in hand. That's the whole point and any physicist you find doesn't really know it's speculation. You can dance around all you want this is comics here where reality doesn't really factor in.I'm sorry, but the research of a Nobel Prize winning physicist carries much more weight on this topic than some 33 year old guy who argues comics.
Happy belated birthday by the way.
Oh and I still win. Basis for argument > No basis at all.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I said speed increases the point of impact. Prime also never flew into someone at the speed of light. This is how they fight in character.In one scenario Prime needed an amp to display the power to destroy one through flight and in another scenario he did so under his regular powers moved it really far.
Hulk's stronger based on feats and not needing flight. Prime also doesn't use his flight to fly directly into someone to destroy them.
Wrong once more 112 and now you are falling back into a "this is not in character" argument
But to say that SBP will not fly at the speed of light into something? Well believe He did try it, but it was stopped by the Gl's, but is not like He can't and he has even escaped the speed force meaning that he is ftl.
So please stop embarrassing yourself more, You have been flip flopping and your argument is based in nothing more than wishful thinking.
If He can fly and nudge a planet out of it's orbit in a comic, he can do the same to an opponent, specially when the OP is asking fighting at their best, means that if He can do it to a planet he can do it to Hulk and he is still in character since He often kill's.
I'm just wondering what will be your next post and what new ridiculous claim you will make.
I know with you "even a broken clock is right twice a day"
Originally posted by NemeBroThe blast was an explosion it wasn't just an energy attack hitting solely prime. It was compared to a nuke. All on panel. Top argue this nuke is anywhere near as powerful as the countless theoretical nukes it would take to destroy the planet is insane. Comics are inconsistent. I have asked writers myself you just continue to base things off of a calculator.
Your reasoning borders on the insane. Why would Monarch destroy the planet? For fun? You are familiar with the concept of characters with energy manipulation using their power to increase the potency of their attacks without doing so to the volume, right? I mean, not every blast a bloodlusted Galactus throws is going to blow up a planet, but he can still easily do it.
Keep conceding small arguments. I likes.
Oh quan, you and your irrelevant tangents... Anyway, already addressed your irrelevant tangent above. [/B]
You are arguing off of realistic guesstimation over a fictional writing. It's hilarious. Proceed.
My basis: Scientific knowledge and reason.
Quan's basis: Nothing but biased personal interpretation.Gee guys, which one of us has better backing for our claim? [/B]
Yes, it does. In reality anything other than planet destroying power shouldn't harm Prime yet it consistently does outside weakness exploitation.
Uh, characters having inconsistent showings doesn't inherently have shit to do with reality (Though obviously many comics and basically all superhero comics ignore aspects of reality, as any FTL character could tell you). [/B]
This was an explosion not a particular blast just hitting Thanos. Thanos rapes characters who on panel rip stars in half.
Because the feat you are cherry-picking isn't that inconsistent. No more inconsistent than blasts that aren't even busting city blocks harming Thanos are. [/B]
It's ridiculous to base this off of science since it's all fiction which is very inconsistent which you yourself agree with.I said basing my stance on science compared to basing it on nothing, like you are doing, is preferable. 🙂 [/B]
So you admit it doesn't make sense so using real world science is an exercise in futility. I'm breaking you down.Want to know what is consistent?
Wolverine's claws being able to cut basically whatever the **** they want to. 😐 Including characters who do shit like survive black holes. While physically impossible IRL, it is consistent in the Marvel universe.
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I don't have to you need to prove he can do so under his own power since he hasn't done so.Prove he needed the amp to destroy the planet, when on-panel evidence dictates he could do the same to Oa and so much more. 🙂 [/B]
His mere footsteps were destroying continents. They stated in a comic he was holding back. You are just flat out ignorant. We don't ignore statements just because we're upset.
He was keeping himself from punching the shit out of things. Prove that he lessened his actual rage and as such his durability. 🙂 [/B]
No, of course I am not. Quit taking this so personally. The panel made it clear the magic wasn't harming him. We've seen Superboy harm him who is far less powerful than Black Adam. Pretty clear, sport.
Are you illiterate?They were magically amped, which I acknowledged. What that means is that Black Adam's magic amps were doing nothing, not his punches themselves (But they might as well have done nothing).
El oh el. [/B]
Yes, overpowered doesn't mean defeated.With a tiny bit of sunlight absorbed, he overpowered all of those heroes.
Oh okay, next Silver Surfer thread I'll let people know that any skilled peak human should be able to get him into an armbar. [/B]
You can use whatever argument you feel you want to. Prime has been consistently damaged by Superboy and Krypto.
Prime had help. That's context biting you in the ass. Annataz depowered him and sapped his will. What elite top tiers has Prime beaten on panel ?
I'm not picking just the high ones. If I were doing that, I would be bringing up how GA Prime made Mxy look like a helpless child. But I don't, because that was stupid as hell. Wanna know what is consistent though? Prime dominating multiple top tier beings at once. 🙂[/B]
You prove something.
Prove it.Right, because he would destroy it.
Also, lol. You take Ray Palmer calling Monarch's blast a "nuke" at face value, but not Superboy Prime's claim and multiple heroes affirming their worry over it being true? A hypocrite to the end, eh quan? [/B]
Is Ray Palmer an idiot ? Because flying at or through Oa would take lives.
I never said he didn't but he needs an amp to destroy a planet or hasn't done so without it. He also needed flight he just didn't punch it into smithereens like Gladiator has which is far more impressive.
> Shows that he knows Prime has better feats than destroying a planet.
> Still claims that because only GA Prime has been shown destroying a planet, base Prime can't.
> Everyone laughs.I'm sorry, but the research of a Nobel Prize winning physicist carries much more weight on this topic than some 33 year old guy who argues comics.
Happy belated birthday by the way.
Oh and I still win. Basis for argument > No basis at all. [/B]
You need to prove he can.
Yeah, you are losign and people are starting to feel sorry.
Still speculation which doesn't have anything to do with fictional works.
Originally posted by biensalsaHe will fly into a planet at the speed of light not a foe. In the same comic he was flying away from his oppostion not towards them. This isn't cbr.
Wrong once more 112 and now you are falling back into a "this is not in character" argumentBut to say that SBP will not fly at the speed of light into something? Well believe He did try it, but it was stopped by the Gl's, but is not like He can't and he has even escaped the speed force meaning that he is ftl.
My argument has remained the same while yours is based on out of character feats.
So please stop embarrassing yourself more, You have been flip flopping and your argument is based in nothing more than wishful thinking. [/B]
You need to see him use the tactic not argue based off of abilities alone. You need to cite actual examples not argue based off of feats. I can post the link to cbr. Over there Superboy Prime loses to Gladiator, Surfer, Sentry and it isn't even close.
If He can fly and nudge a planet out of it's orbit in a comic, he can do the same to an opponent, specially when the OP is asking fighting at their best, means that if He can do it to a planet he can do it to Hulk and he is still in character since He often kill's.I'm just wondering what will be your next post and what new ridiculous claim you will make.
I know with you "even a broken clock is right twice a day" [/B]
Originally posted by quanchi112
The blast was an explosion it wasn't just an energy attack hitting solely prime. It was compared to a nuke. All on panel. Top argue this nuke is anywhere near as powerful as the countless theoretical nukes it would take to destroy the planet is insane. Comics are inconsistent. I have asked writers myself you just continue to base things off of a calculator.
Only Monarch's power source isn't as minor as any nuke. In fact, considering the source, it would be unfathomably hotter than every nuke create, or the center of the sun itself. 🙂
Also, I'm not using a calculator.
Keep conceding small arguments. I likes.
I didn't concede a small argument. I have been consistently addressing your irrelevant tangents, irrelevant and stupid as they are.
You are arguing off of realistic guesstimation over a fictional writing. It's hilarious. Proceed.
You on the other hand are arguing from bias and personal, baseless interpretation. My stance is vastly better supported.
Yes, it does. In reality anything other than planet destroying power shouldn't harm Prime yet it consistently does outside weakness exploitation.
Prime for the most part only has low durability showings when Connor or... Krypto is around.
Most of the time he powers through the heroes.
This was an explosion not a particular blast just hitting Thanos. Thanos rapes characters who on panel rip stars in half.
The difference is frankly arbitrary.
It's ridiculous to base this off of science since it's all fiction which is very inconsistent which you yourself agree with.
What are you basing your stance off of? Do enlighten me.
So you admit it doesn't make sense so using real world science is an exercise in futility. I'm breaking you down.
You couldn't break down food for a bowel movement quan.
I don't have to you need to prove he can do so under his own power since he hasn't done so.
He's smashed planets into eachother, performed feats superior to busting planets, and has been said to be capable of doing so, both on-panel, and by Didio:
"Superboy is a teenager raised in isolation, with raging hormones, a huge chip on his shoulder and the powers of a god. He never learned how to keep his powers or emotions in check, so when confronted, the situation escalated and he had no idea on how to defuse it. Think of a situation where you, as a teenager, lost your temper. Now imagine you have the power to crush a planet. Do you think that situation would have ended differently? This is the moment where Superboy-Prime crosses the point of no return and becomes the greatest threat the universe will ever know."
Oh, and for more fun:
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/sbpbg1.jpg
Prime devastated Oa (Thanks Philosophia).
At this point, you're basically doing the same as asking someone to prove Superman can crush a marble, just because he has never done so on panel (To my knowledge).
His mere footsteps were destroying continents. They stated in a comic he was holding back. You are just flat out ignorant. We don't ignore statements just because we're upset.
You're not very good at comprehending literature, are you?
He was holding back. As in, trying not to make any movements that might destroy the world and kill millions to billions of people.
Prove he was suppressing his durability.
No, of course I am not. Quit taking this so personally.
I clearly acknowledged that Black Adam amped his punches with magic lightning. What else am I to think when you question my knowledge on something I directly addressed? 🙂
The panel made it clear the magic wasn't harming him. We've seen Superboy harm him who is far less powerful than Black Adam. Pretty clear, sport.
Well, judging by their showings against Prime, are you sure Adam is more powerful than Connor? 😉
Yes, overpowered doesn't mean defeated.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/25/1539595/primvs17.jpg
Yes, as we can see by their bruised and battered bodies, Prime wasn't capable of defeating his assailants at all.
Lol.
You can use whatever argument you feel you want to. Prime has been consistently damaged by Superboy and Krypto.
Connor's showings against Prime are probably his best ever (I admittedly have never read much about Superboy, so I could be wrong, but if Connor has better showings, I haven't heard them), arguing them as the standard as you are trying to do is idiotic.
Prime has also consistently made top-tiers look like sissy girls in combat.
Prime had help. That's context biting you in the ass. Annataz depowered him and sapped his will.
That's dodging the fact that Prime had to physically snatch Mxy from the 5th Dimension to do so.
Not that I am seriously using Prime's showing against Mxy as some idiotic standard, that was stupid.
What elite top tiers has Prime beaten on panel ?
Jesus Christ quan, are we really doing this? 😬 Are you really going to sit in your computer chair and whine and beg for me to go scrounge around for scans of Prime beating up top-tiers (Which I have provided in some capacity already mind you...)? He's beaten the shit out of Superman, Martian Manhunter, the Flashes, Black Adam, Supergirl and Power Girl (He also took Power Girl and Superman out at the same time in Sinestro Corps War while brawling the GL, Earth's heroes, and SC at the same time), Guardians, and he beat Sodam Yat without much trouble, who was portrayed in SCW as being the most powerful individual in the Green Lantern Corps (As stated by the Guardians).
Are you really going to sit there and dispute Prime's superiority over heralds? 😐
You prove something.
Oh Jesus quan, your argument has finally defenerated into "No U!"
I already provided evidence that moving a planet any signifigant distance out of orbit is more impressive (By a factor of about five times in terms of Earth) than destroying it.
Let me put this bluntly: YOU. HAVE. LOST.
In doing this, you have given up on even the pretense of a coherent argument, and are bitching and whining like a spoiled child who hasn't gotten his way.
I are winner.
Is Ray Palmer an idiot ?
No, the Atom is not an idiot, but nice try trying to catch me off guard with one.
However: Monarch's blast was no simple nuke. While I can see why Palmer would compare it to one, that doesn't change the fact that not only was it from a power source much greater than a nuke, the blast didn't even look like one.
Because flying at or through Oa would take lives.
Nice double standard bro. So Ray Palmer saying it is a nuke is taken at face value, but Prime and apparently the entire JLA taking Superboy Prime destroying Oa (And apparently the universe) seriously isn't?
You're so blatantly biased it isn't even funny.
I never said he didn't but he needs an amp to destroy a planet or hasn't done so without it. He also needed flight he just didn't punch it into smithereens like Gladiator has which is far more impressive.
Right, because destroying a planet in three punches in one of his best feats is clearly more impressive than easily flying through the planet and making it explode from the force, right? It took Prime one casual action to destroy a planet, it took Gladiator three enraged, bloodlusted punches to destroy one.
Don't even try to pretend Gladiator's feat is better.
Also, go on, keep on denying Prime's planet buster credentials at base. It's funny.
You need to prove he can.
Done and done.
Yeah, you are losign and people are starting to feel sorry.
Sometimes I wonder if you are really so arrogant that you are truly under the impression that you are not an internet pariah and laughingstock (No seriously, multiple forums use you as a joke), and truly believe that other people find your arguments anything other than stupid nonsense they are.
Still speculation which doesn't have anything to do with fictional works.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.
No it isn't. The formula is a working formula that was used by a physicist to determine the amount of energy it would take to destroy a planet, in this case Earth.
Oh and once more you clutch to your "IT'S COMICZ! D: " argument. Are you ****ing kidding me? You really can't think of any better way to lowball than that?
That's why you're so maligned. You're not even a funny troll. You're just sad. And make no mistake, you are trollling.
Oh and I won, btw, in case you missed it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He will fly into a planet at the speed of light not a foe. In the same comic he was flying away from his oppostion not towards them. This isn't cbr.
My argument has remained the same while yours is based on out of character feats.
You need to see him use the tactic not argue based off of abilities alone. You need to cite actual examples not argue based off of feats. I can post the link to cbr. Over there Superboy Prime loses to Gladiator, Surfer, Sentry and it isn't even close.
doh
Before We dig more into your amateurish attempt of trying to divert attention from the subject, lets go back to the points you have not addressed and therefore silently conceded.
First
We agree that putting a building in space is harder than to demolish a building even if the force comes from the building next door.
Second
We agree that NUDGING a planet outside of it's orbit is harder than destroying one even if SBP makes it look easy.
And of course BOTH examples are backed by logic and science rather than Your argument based on wishful thinking fallacy.
When you have addressed those points so We can reach an agreement on the initial argument so We can move further on your poor argument.
