Originally posted by carver9Not a single thing was over-exaggerated.
You kind of overexaggetated some of these fts but even though Prime is impressive, that still doesn't put him above WBH physically. Then you are excluding a lot of showings where people actually had decent fights against him...people that WBH would probably one or two shot.By the way, I took out some of the stuff that didn't matter.
Originally posted by carver9
Why is it laughable?
Because even the Hulk-wank fest that is WBH isn't Prime level. It's laughable because this really shows who's objective and who's a fanboy. Just my opinion...
And I might be wrong here, but isn't Prime unaffected by the Crisis? And hasn't it been stated that Prime's power level is on par with Silver Age Superman? If so, and you think Hulk is even in the same ballpark, you're nuts.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Because even the Hulk-wank fest that is WBH isn't Prime level. It's laughable because this really shows who's objective and who's a fanboy. Just my opinion...And I might be wrong here, but isn't Prime unaffected by the Crisis? And hasn't it been stated that Prime's power level is on par with Silver Age Superman? If so, and you think Hulk is even in the same ballpark, you're nuts.
Because Hulk would be the strongest force Prime has ever fought. Over powering Heralds? Hulk did that with much ease than Prime. Stood in one spot and ignore punches from high class beings.
Ignoring Herald level blast? Hulk did that while not even at WBH levels. Tanked a blast from an amped Armageddon. Let's not forget, without an amp, Armageddon blasting power was able to stun Surfer and it was a casual blast. Hulk powered through a prolong blast from an amped Armageddon. This doesn't include him tanking something that shredded a planet and nearby moons with a smile on his face.
I would put an amped Onslaught above everyone that Prime fought and a weaker version of Hulk (while putting fear in everyone's heart) turned him to dust with a single punch. Let's not forget that a much weaker Onslaught was running through Heralds with ease.
Prime is strong but he isn't WBH strong and to sit here and say that Prime would run through WBH is ignoring all of his medium showings and focusing more on his high showings.
WBH is stronger, durability is questionable (give the edge to WBH based off of showings) Prime is more versatile. Fighting in character, Superman Prime would lose imo since again, he did nothing to make me believe he is stronger than WBH.
Originally posted by biensalsaI've won. Don't be a sore loser, mildsalsa.
Logic is not 112's forte.
Originally posted by biensalsaYou aren't comparing the same feats. One example is destroying an entire planet from not even directly punching it. That's more impressive. Stay on point.
dohBefore We dig more into your amateurish attempt of trying to divert attention from the subject, lets go back to the points you have not addressed and therefore silently conceded.
First
We agree that putting a building in space is harder than to demolish a building even if the force comes from the building next door.
Second
We agree that NUDGING a planet outside of it's orbit is harder than destroying one even if SBP makes it look easy.
And of course BOTH examples are backed by logic and science rather than Your argument based on wishful thinking fallacy.
When you have addressed those points so We can reach an agreement on the initial argument so We can move further on your poor argument.
Comics are inconsistent and not backed by logic. Prime made it look easy with an amp. Key word is with an amp.
Originally posted by NemeBroUhm, the explosion caused by his power didn't set off a chain reaction powerful enough to destroy a continent let alone a planet. That's far less powerful than setting off a chain reaction to destroy the universe. It's a nuke.
Only Monarch's power source isn't as minor as any nuke. In fact, considering the source, it would be unfathomably hotter than every nuke create, or the center of the sun itself. 🙂Also, I'm not using a calculator.
You've been busy creating irrelevant arguments in an attempt to distract the readers from the two feats being compared.
I didn't concede a small argument. I have been consistently addressing your irrelevant tangents, irrelevant and stupid as they are. [/B]
No, you're the huge Prime fan so it's just you projecting again.
You on the other hand are arguing from bias and personal, baseless interpretation. My stance is vastly better supported.[/B]
Since he usually runs into Superboy it's say it's consistent. He usually is busy running from the heroes. He does so all the time.
Prime for the most part only has low durability showings when Connor or... Krypto is around.Most of the time he powers through the heroes.[/B]
Concession accepted.
The difference is frankly arbitrary. [/B]
Quit getting so personal.
What are you basing your stance off of? Do enlighten me.You couldn't break down food for a bowel movement quan.[/B]
So what ? Hulk's powers and feats are greater in comparison. Hulk doesn't have a limit to his powers and his healing factor is through the roof. That's also hyperbole. Prime isn't the greatest threat the dc universe will ever know.
He's smashed planets into eachother, performed feats superior to busting planets, and has been said to be capable of doing so, both on-panel, and by Didio:"Superboy is a teenager raised in isolation, with raging hormones, a huge chip on his shoulder and the powers of a god. He never learned how to keep his powers or emotions in check, so when confronted, the situation escalated and he had no idea on how to defuse it. Think of a situation where you, as a teenager, lost your temper. Now imagine you have the power to crush a planet. Do you think that situation would have ended differently? This is the moment where Superboy-Prime crosses the point of no return and becomes the greatest threat the universe will ever know."[/B]
What's so impressive about his freakout here ? Am I supposed to be impressed ? We don't even get to see the extent of the damage caused by him.
Oh, and for more fun:Prime devastated Oa (Thanks Philosophia).
At this point, you're basically doing the same as asking someone to prove Superman can crush a marble, just because he has never done so on panel (To my knowledge).[/B]
Holding back means keeping his powers in check. If he doesn't hold back and let's loose his powers spike. If he was holding back he wouldn't take a single step. You really are bad at comprehending simple sentences.
You're not very good at comprehending literature, are you?He was holding back. As in, trying not to make any movements that might destroy the world and kill millions to billions of people.
Prove he was suppressing his durability.[/B]
That's what the scan referred to. It had nothing to do with his strength otherwise he'd hurt him far more than Superboy has since he's a lot strong.
I clearly acknowledged that Black Adam amped his punches with magic lightning. What else am I to think when you question my knowledge on something I directly addressed? 🙂[/B]
Yes, just like Mordru is far more powerful than Prime but he's highly resistant to magic. Guess what Mordru and Adam have and what Superboy doesn't. Ask someone else to tell you if you can't figure it out.
Well, judging by their showings against Prime, are you sure Adam is more powerful than Connor? 😉[/B]
He didn't. Overpowering someone off of you doesn't mean you can defeat them especially when he's never beaten so badass a group. Black Adam was pretty fine to after Prime decked him in Ic as well.http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/25/1539595/primvs17.jpg
Yes, as we can see by their bruised and battered bodies, Prime wasn't capable of defeating his assailants at all.
Lol.[/B]
It's consistent against Prime. You can't dismiss them just because you really like Prime. Which top tiers has Prime just raped in combat ?
Connor's showings against Prime are probably his best ever (I admittedly have never read much about Superboy, so I could be wrong, but if Connor has better showings, I haven't heard them), arguing them as the standard as you are trying to do is idiotic.Prime has also consistently made top-tiers look like sissy girls in combat.
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Still had prep and help. Still highly resistant to magic. Still happened off panel.
That's dodging the fact that Prime had to physically snatch Mxy from the 5th Dimension to do so.Not that I am seriously using Prime's showing against Mxy as some idiotic standard, that was stupid.[/B]
He's never bested Superman. He's beaten MM. OK. The flashes beat him. He also runs from them when he has the chance. He's scared. Yat had weakness exploitation and it took him a long time to beat him down.Jesus Christ quan, are we really doing this? 😬 Are you really going to sit in your computer chair and whine and beg for me to go scrounge around for scans of Prime beating up top-tiers (Which I have provided in some capacity already mind you...)? He's beaten the shit out of Superman, Martian Manhunter, the Flashes, Black Adam, Supergirl and Power Girl (He also took Power Girl and Superman out at the same time in Sinestro Corps War while brawling the GL, Earth's heroes, and SC at the same time), Guardians, and he beat Sodam Yat without much trouble, who was portrayed in SCW as being the most powerful individual in the Green Lantern Corps (As stated by the Guardians).
Are you really going to sit there and dispute Prime's superiority over heralds? 😐[/B]
I think Prime is superior only slightly superior.
That's not directly comparing the feats in general here so you didn't win.
Oh Jesus quan, your argument has finally defenerated into "No U!"I already provided evidence that moving a planet any signifigant distance out of orbit is more impressive (By a factor of about five times in terms of Earth) than destroying it.
Let me put this bluntly: YOU. HAVE. LOST.[/B]
Well then the dialogue is there to help the reader not to confuse us. It was comparable to a nuke and far less powerful than a chain reaction planet destroying explosion. You lost again.
In doing this, you have given up on even the pretense of a coherent argument, and are bitching and whining like a spoiled child who hasn't gotten his way.I are winner.
No, the Atom is not an idiot, but nice try trying to catch me off guard with one.
However: Monarch's blast was no simple nuke. While I can see why Palmer would compare it to one, that doesn't change the fact that not only was it from a power source much greater than a nuke, the blast didn't even look like one.[/B]
Prime probably could do so but one event happened while one didn't. If you can't see the difference then I can't help you. Prime also thinks he's a hero. He's an idiot. Palmer isn't.
Nice double standard bro. So Ray Palmer saying it is a nuke is taken at face value, but Prime and apparently the entire JLA taking Superboy Prime destroying Oa (And apparently the universe) seriously isn't?You're so blatantly biased it isn't even funny.
Right, because destroying a planet in three punches in one of his best feats is clearly more impressive than easily flying through the planet and making it explode from the force, right? It took Prime one casual action to destroy a planet, it took Gladiator three enraged, bloodlusted punches to destroy one. [/B]
Gladiator punched it while Prime needed to fly at high speeds while amped to do so. Amped.
Gladiator wasn't amped while Prime was. Yes, based on this is it more impressive especially since he didn't have to travel at high speeds to do so as well.
Don't even try to pretend Gladiator's feat is better.Also, go on, keep on denying Prime's planet buster credentials at base. It's funny.
Done and done.[/B]
If you think I can't argue worth a lick then let's battlezone. You and me. Comics are inconsistent and not based on real world applications. The sooner you get that the better.
Sometimes I wonder if you are really so arrogant that you are truly under the impression that you are not an internet pariah and laughingstock (No seriously, multiple forums use you as a joke), and truly believe that other people find your arguments anything other than stupid nonsense they are.Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.
No it isn't. The formula is a working formula that was used by a physicist to determine the amount of energy it would take to destroy a planet, in this case Earth.
Oh and once more you clutch to your "IT'S COMICZ! D: " argument. Are you ****ing kidding me? You really can't think of any better way to lowball than that?
That's why you're so maligned. You're not even a funny troll. You're just sad. And make no mistake, you are trollling.
Oh and I won, btw, in case you missed it. [/B]
Again, man up and face me. I bet you won't. You're yellow.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I've won. Don't be a sore loser, mildsalsa.
Mildsalsa? WTF? Are you 8? Come on 112 that is so weak, almost as weak as your arguments.
Oh and you think you won' cuz according to your logic, You are bi-winning
Originally posted by quanchi112
IYou aren't comparing the same feats. One example is destroying an entire planet from not even directly punching it. That's more impressive. Stay on point.Comics are inconsistent and not backed by logic. Prime made it look easy with an amp. Key word is with an amp.
WTF? One example is destroying a planet indirectly vs moving a planet WITH A NUDGE! Are You still with me? The nudging of a planet was with out an amp.
Oh wait, you think that destroying a planet is > than moving one
Because according to you is harder to demolishing a building than to move one to space.
Is that what it is? Come You can just say it here, in the open, just let it get out.
So I'll ask you again. You think destroying a planet is > than nudging one out of it's orbit. Even after all the evidence presented to you based on something rather than wishful thinking.
Oh wait IIRC that was your original position, are you still claiming that destroying a planet > moving a planet? Regardless of all the evidence presented to you, You still think that?
Just be open about it, let it get out, write it out 122
Let me help you out:
"I 122 believe based on wishful thinking that destroying a planet is > than Moving one out of it's orbit with a nudge, despite all the evidence presented to me as this evidence is based on scientific theories and We all know how science has gotten us nowhere, so therefore I decide to base my point of view on wishful thinking"
Just sign here ============> ___________________
And comics are not consisted and backed by logic? Well I'll give you the first one, but the only one lacking more logic than the comic book industry itself is You.
Please answer the questions or keep conceding.
Originally posted by carver9
Because Hulk would be the strongest force Prime has ever fought. Over powering Heralds? Hulk did that with much ease than Prime. Stood in one spot and ignore punches from high class beings.Ignoring Herald level blast? Hulk did that while not even at WBH levels. Tanked a blast from an amped Armageddon. Let's not forget, without an amp, Armageddon blasting power was able to stun Surfer and it was a casual blast. Hulk powered through a prolong blast from an amped Armageddon. This doesn't include him tanking something that shredded a planet and nearby moons with a smile on his face.
I would put an amped Onslaught above everyone that Prime fought and a weaker version of Hulk (while putting fear in everyone's heart) turned him to dust with a single punch. Let's not forget that a much weaker Onslaught was running through Heralds with ease.
Prime is strong but he isn't WBH strong and to sit here and say that Prime would run through WBH is ignoring all of his medium showings and focusing more on his high showings.
WBH is stronger, durability is questionable (give the edge to WBH based off of showings) Prime is more versatile. Fighting in character, Superman Prime would lose imo since again, he did nothing to make me believe he is stronger than WBH.
Originally posted by carver9
Because Hulk would be the strongest force Prime has ever fought. Over powering Heralds? Hulk did that with much ease than Prime. Stood in one spot and ignore punches from high class beings.Ignoring Herald level blast? Hulk did that while not even at WBH levels. Tanked a blast from an amped Armageddon. Let's not forget, without an amp, Armageddon blasting power was able to stun Surfer and it was a casual blast. Hulk powered through a prolong blast from an amped Armageddon. This doesn't include him tanking something that shredded a planet and nearby moons with a smile on his face.
I would put an amped Onslaught above everyone that Prime fought and a weaker version of Hulk (while putting fear in everyone's heart) turned him to dust with a single punch. Let's not forget that a much weaker Onslaught was running through Heralds with ease.
Prime is strong but he isn't WBH strong and to sit here and say that Prime would run through WBH is ignoring all of his medium showings and focusing more on his high showings.
WBH is stronger, durability is questionable (give the edge to WBH based off of showings) Prime is more versatile. Fighting in character, Superman Prime would lose imo since again, he did nothing to make me believe he is stronger than WBH.
Originally posted by biensalsaNo, I'm probably older and better looking than you are. Don't be mad because you can't remember my id.
Mildsalsa? WTF? Are you 8? Come on 112 that is so weak, almost as weak as your arguments.
The nudging was done at light speeds. That isn't just strength alone. Do you understand it now ? You seem very simple.
Oh and you think you won' cuz according to your logic, You are bi-winningWTF? One example is destroying a planet indirectly vs moving a planet WITH A NUDGE! Are You still with me? The nudging of a planet was with out an amp. [/B]
I think flying at light speeds to move a planet is far less impressive than indirectly destroying a planet due to your punches. You want to take real world science and completely ignore speed is involved. Not just ordinary but speed blazing speed.
Oh wait, you think that destroying a planet is > than moving oneBecause according to you is harder to demolishing a building than to move one to space.
Is that what it is? Come You can just say it here, in the open, just let it get out.[/B]
I think Hulk's feat is more impressive than Prime's in terms of strength. I think destroying something is more impressive in general than moving something.
So I'll ask you again. You think destroying a planet is > than nudging one out of it's orbit. Even after all the evidence presented to you based on something rather than wishful thinking.Oh wait IIRC that was your original position, are you still claiming that destroying a planet > moving a planet? Regardless of all the evidence presented to you, You still think that?
Just be open about it, let it get out, write it out 122
Let me help you out:
"I 122 believe based on wishful thinking that destroying a planet is > than Moving one out of it's orbit with a nudge, despite all the evidence presented to me as this evidence is based on scientific theories and We all know how science has gotten us nowhere, so therefore I decide to base my point of view on wishful thinking"[/B]
You want to dismiss the fact speed is a variable here. You can continue to try and push it under the rug but don't worry I will continue to pull the rug out from underneath you.
Just sign here ============> ___________________And comics are not consisted and backed by logic? Well I'll give you the first one, but the only one lacking more logic than the comic book industry itself is You.
Please answer the questions or keep conceding. [/B]
I don't wait seconds on chips and salsa. I think everyone has had their fill.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I'm probably older and better looking than you are. Don't be mad because you can't remember my id.
WTF? What your looks have to do with the topic is as irrelevant as your case.
And then You complain about me hitting on you? When you are just trying to be the hoochie mama in the room.
But lets forget you sad attempt at peacocking and return to something important.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The nudging was done at light speeds. That isn't just strength alone. Do you understand it now ? You seem very simple.
At light speed? Maybe He moved OTHER planets at light speed, this one He move faster than the surveillance camera can follow, how fast is that? Human brain can detect 30 fps Surveillance cameras detect a faster rate, but the don't detect objects moving at light speed and it was not stated anywhere in that comic that SBP moved at light speed, but at high speed.
And even if You were correct, as per DC verse laws of physics reaching light speed increases your mass towards infinite, now think about this one very good 112.
That means flash can nudge a planet out of it's orbit because he has super speed?
or is a feat attributed to SBP because of his strength?
WHICH ONE IS IT?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think flying at light speeds to move a planet is far less impressive than indirectly destroying a planet due to your punches. You want to take real world science and completely ignore speed is involved. Not just ordinary but speed blazing speed.
HIGH speed please and again think for a second how can I deliver a gentle nudge to move a planet if my mass is increased to the infinite? that means that He has to slow down BEFORE touching the planet in order to not destroy it, hence the term "nudge"
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think Hulk's feat is more impressive than Prime's in terms of strength. I think destroying something is more impressive in general than moving something.
You want to dismiss the fact speed is a variable here. You can continue to try and push it under the rug but don't worry I will continue to pull the rug out from underneath you.
Sigh! The amount of newtons required to move something at speed increases with the speed! is not the same to move something at normal speed than to move something at high speed.
I'm not dismissing the fact of the super speed as a matter of fact I have been counting with it all along, you on the other hand now want to rest value to the feat because of the speed, but is not going to work 112.
Either way you see the feat, if he nudge the planet with super speed + strength moving the planet is more impressive as the Newton force increases
If he nudge the planet with strength only moving a planet is more impressive.
But there is not denying that He NUDGE a planet out of it's orbit and pardon me but destroying planets is something heralds do.
Nudging planets out of orbit is something they don't do often
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't wait seconds on chips and salsa. I think everyone has had their fill.
When you are done with the stand up comedy let me know, so We can resume
Originally posted by biensalsaYou took it personal and I ended it.
WTF? What your looks have to do with the topic is as irrelevant as your case.
Quit being upset because I am better than you. Let's keep this to debating.
And then You complain about me hitting on you? When you are just trying to be the hoochie mama in the room.But lets forget you sad attempt at peacocking and return to something important.[/B]
He's moving at incredible speeds. I am assuming speed should be factored in but of course you don't. You aren't being objective. It factors in.
At light speed? Maybe He moved OTHER planets at light speed, this one He move faster than the surveillance camera can follow, how fast is that? Human brain can detect 30 fps Surveillance cameras detect a faster rate, but the don't detect objects moving at light speed and it was not stated anywhere in that comic that SBP moved at light speed, but at high speed.[/B]
I am not saying it's purely due to speed I am saying speed factors in. You're asking me to pick one and I am saying it's a little of both column a and column b.
And even if You were correct, as per DC verse laws of physics reaching light speed increases your mass towards infinite, now think about this one very good 112.That means flash can nudge a planet out of it's orbit because he has super speed?
or is a feat attributed to SBP because of his strength?
WHICH ONE IS IT?[/B]
I never said his mass increased to the infinite I said speed needs to be factored into the strength feat.
HIGH speed please and again think for a second how can I deliver a gentle nudge to move a planet if my mass is increased to the infinite? that means that He has to slow down BEFORE touching the planet in order to not destroy it, hence the term "nudge"[/B]
Since you agree speed is factored in then you can't say Prime's feat is more impressive. Prime also directly engaged the planet while you can't say the same for Hulk. That's the difference.
Sigh! The amount of newtons required to move something at speed increases with the speed! is not the same to move something at normal speed than to move something at high speed.I'm not dismissing the fact of the super speed as a matter of fact I have been counting with it all along, you on the other hand now want to rest value to the feat because of the speed, but is not going to work 112.[/B]
Heralds don't destroy planets while punching other characters. That's an awesome feat. i for one am not overly impressed with moving a planet with speed/strength. It's something I think a herald can do but indirectly destroying a planet. Nah.
Either way you see the feat, if he nudge the planet with super speed + strength moving the planet is more impressive as the Newton force increasesIf he nudge the planet with strength only moving a planet is more impressive.
But there is not denying that He NUDGE a planet out of it's orbit and pardon me but destroying planets is something heralds do.
Nudging planets out of orbit is something they don't do often
When you are done with the stand up comedy let me know, so We can resume [/B]
