Originally posted by quanchi112
You took it personal and I ended it.
Quit being upset because I am better than you. Let's keep this to debating.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He's moving at incredible speeds. I am assuming speed should be factored in but of course you don't. You aren't being objective. It factors in.
I am not saying it's purely due to speed I am saying speed factors in. You're asking me to pick one and I am saying it's a little of both column a and column b.
Again dodging questions?
I already told you, I have factored the speed since the beginning and this makes it more than planet busting
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said his mass increased to the infinite I said speed needs to be factored into the strength feat.
In DC verse when You approach light speed you increase your mass. Ever heard of an IMP?
And think about this for second, though I know is hard for you to accomplish such a task, but think this. I'm running at high speeds, then I nudge a cake out of a plate. Um... I think if I don't slow down and NUDGE the cake, I'm going to destroy the cake.
Maybe You do not know the meaning of the word nudge, here let me help you:
nudge Verb: Prod (someone) gently, typically with one's elbow, in order to draw their attention to something.
Noun: A light touch or push.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Since you agree speed is factored in then you can't say Prime's feat is more impressive. Prime also directly engaged the planet while you can't say the same for Hulk. That's the difference.
Lol, Nudging a planet out of it's orbit >>>>>>>>>> busting one as an indirect attack, This is the reason why You do not what to answer the building question. I'll keep rubbing salt on that wound anyway until you man up and answer. 😄
Originally posted by quanchi112
Heralds don't destroy planets while punching other characters. That's an awesome feat. i for one am not overly impressed with moving a planet with speed/strength. It's something I think a herald can do but indirectly destroying a planet. Nah.
They often destroy planetoids and I have seen heralds destroying planets with 3 punches ALONE, not with EXTRA HELP even if engaging the planet directly. I have seen heralds making their punches felt on the earth while they fighting much higher than Hulk's fight. I have seen Terrax splitting planets with out touching them with his axe. As per panel display Hulk was in the planet close to the planet's surface when this happened. This utter idiocy of Hulk destroying a planet and it's moon (never shown on panel btw) WITH HELP, like 60 thousand miles away from the planet has to stop.
He destroyed a planet, woop dee doo, big deal, welcome to the big leagues boy. (And this is sarcastic BTW, as I know He can do it since the 70's)
Now, lets see how many heralds NUDGE planets out of it's orbit.
Originally posted by carver9
I guess I'm not needed here...Quan is ripping through people.
Originally posted by biensalsa
You are needed here to answer un-answered question.I know grey matter is not your forte and that You have some sort of 112 twisted logic.
But to come here ans start cheer leading? Come Carter.
Originally posted by biensalsaSpeed is something not in the Hulk's arsenal. Speed takes away from the strength feat. You can think it doesn't take away as much as I do but I am used to you hyping the kryptonians by now.Again dodging questions?
I already told you, I have factored the speed since the beginning and this makes it more than planet busting
Yes, but it isn't always rammed home by every writer. If you're going at three hundred miles per hour more force is going to hit the cake when what you're capabale of just standing there. That's just 300 miles per hour.
In DC verse when You approach light speed you increase your mass. Ever heard of an IMP?And think about this for second, though I know is hard for you to accomplish such a task, but think this. I'm running at high speeds, then I nudge a cake out of a plate. Um... I think if I don't slow down and NUDGE the cake, I'm going to destroy the cake.[/B]
Nudging and using insane speeds don't go hand in hand. Hulk standing there and punching someone uses far less strength than if he was traveling at 10,000 miles per hour let's say and if he strikes the same object.
Maybe You do not know the meaning of the word nudge, here let me help you:nudge Verb: Prod (someone) gently, typically with one's elbow, in order to draw their attention to something.
Noun: A light touch or push.Lol, Nudging a planet out of it's orbit >>>>>>>>>> busting one as an indirect attack, This is the reason why You do not what to answer the building question. I'll keep rubbing salt on that wound anyway until you man up and answer. 😄
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Heralds usually are punching the planets themselves. This instance the planet was destroyed as a reaction tot he force used by his raw power. Terrax used his power cosmic to do so. He directly did so. Not the same as the Hulk did in HOTM.
They often destroy planetoids and I have seen heralds destroying planets with 3 punches ALONE, not with EXTRA HELP even if engaging the planet directly. I have seen heralds making their punches felt on the earth while they fighting much higher than Hulk's fight. I have seen Terrax splitting planets with out touching them with his axe. As per panel display Hulk was in the planet close to the planet's surface when this happened. This utter idiocy of Hulk destroying a planet and it's moon (never shown on panel btw) WITH HELP, like 60 thousand miles away from the planet has to stop.[/B]
Hulk destroying a planet indirectly is a lot different than flying through one. Sorry, it's a lot more impressive and you know it. It's also Pak, sport. Pak loves him some Hulk. He'd mock your downplaying.
He destroyed a planet, woop dee doo, big deal, welcome to the big leagues boy. (And this is sarcastic BTW, as I know He can do it since the 70's)Now, lets see how many heralds NUDGE planets out of it's orbit. [/B]
Originally posted by quanchi112
Speed is something not in the Hulk's arsenal. Speed takes away from the strength feat. You can think it doesn't take away as much as I do but I am used to you hyping the kryptonians by now.Yes, but it isn't always rammed home by every writer. If you're going at three hundred miles per hour more force is going to hit the cake when what you're capabale of just standing there. That's just 300 miles per hour.
Nudging and using insane speeds don't go hand in hand. Hulk standing there and punching someone uses far less strength than if he was traveling at 10,000 miles per hour let's say and if he strikes the same object.Heralds usually are punching the planets themselves. This instance the planet was destroyed as a reaction tot he force used by his raw power. Terrax used his power cosmic to do so. He directly did so. Not the same as the Hulk did in HOTM.
Hulk destroying a planet indirectly is a lot different than flying through one. Sorry, it's a lot more impressive and you know it. It's also Pak, sport. Pak loves him some Hulk. He'd mock your downplaying.
superman destroyed a galaxy indirectly by sneezing...
Originally posted by Naija boyI never got around to addressing this (Partly because admittedly I am only here to make Quan look bad, to hell with the actual fight), but this is mostly true.
You are certainly correct in ascertaining that the minimum amount of energy needed to destroy a planet is less than the minimum amount needed to move it out of orbit. However what has been lost in the crossfire in this thread is that what Hulk and Betty did is beyond merely destroying a planet using the minimum amount of energy required. The planet, an army of mindless ones Armcheddon an amped fing fang foom, Bi Beast and Wendigo were all destroyed as well as a nearby moon being damaged from the residual shockwave of their physical impact miles above the planets surface. Hence the KE being released at the epicentre of their collision would be significantly significantly greater than the residual shockwave that wrecked the planet and thus considerably greater than the minimum amount of energy required to destroy one (on a smaller scale think koing a guy wiith a direct punch vs koing that same guy while punching a wall 100 metres away). There is a huge divergence between the two scenarios.
However, it possibly isn't true to the extent you may believe it to be.
First of all, and this is important, do you know how large the planet Hulk and Betty destroyed was? General ballpark estimate, if possible.
And honestly, the moon being destroyed isn't particularly surprising. Any force which can destroy a planet is almost certainly capable of doing the same to the moon above it.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I never got around to addressing this (Partly because admittedly I am only here to make Quan look bad, to hell with the actual fight), but this is mostly true.However, it possibly isn't true to the extent you may believe it to be.
First of all, and this is important, do you know how large the planet Hulk and Betty destroyed was? General ballpark estimate, if possible.
And honestly, the moon being destroyed isn't particularly surprising. Any force which can destroy a planet is almost certainly capable of doing the same to the moon above it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm, the explosion caused by his power didn't set off a chain reaction powerful enough to destroy a continent let alone a planet. That's far less powerful than setting off a chain reaction to destroy the universe. It's a nuke.
It didn't set off a chain reaction because all of his power wasn't released at one time by the rupturing of his suit. He could control it.
Also, you're ignoring that despite Prime's claims that it hurt, physically he only had a mild burn.
You've been busy creating irrelevant arguments in an attempt to distract the readers from the two feats being compared.
Quan, let me explain this to you:
I came here solely to inform you that destroying a planet in of itself isn't as impressive as moving one out of orbit. I have sufficiently proved that. I never actually claimed that Prime's physical feats are more impressive (Though a few probably are). You went on irrelevant tangents (Irrelevant to my stance) because you were fundamentally incapable of arguing against me despite you disagreeing with me.
No, you're the huge Prime fan so it's just you projecting again.
If you're going to claim bias on me, at least have the decency to try to refute my point while doing it. Like I do when I call you biased.
Since he usually runs into Superboy it's say it's consistent.
That's not really how consistency works.
Most of the time it takes more than what Superboy is generally portrayed as to be a threat to Prime.
... Not that Superboy is much of a threat to Prime, even though Connor does unusually well against Prime, Prime is always portrayed as superior, by a good deal. Oh and when they fought in Infinite Crisis, he fought both Superboy and Wonder Girl. And crushed them. It was only after hurting Cassie that Superboy managed to give Prime any sort of real fight, which didn't last long. Superboy then proceeded to die.
He usually is busy running from the heroes. He does so all the time.
And in SCW while "running" from the heroes he was dominating them left and right, and only running because he was depowered and was heading towards the sunlight.
Concession accepted.
You don't seem to get how debating works.
You need to effectively explain why the difference isn't arbitrary, but signifigant.
You have yet to do so.
Quit getting so personal.
No seriously, your stance, its basis, tell me.
So what ? Hulk's powers and feats are greater in comparison.
The only iffy factor is strength, and the only definite superiority he has is healing factor.
Prime is portrayed as much, much faster, he is more durable unless WBH got some durability showing I don't know of (Name it if so), he has a more versatile powerset, etc.
Hulk doesn't have a limit to his powers and his healing factor is through the roof. That's also hyperbole.Prime isn't the greatest threat the dc universe will ever know.
Lol. Such ironic statements in two sentences. Never change quan.
Well let's see. We have Didio claiming that Prime can crush a planet, we have Prime easily moving planets like they were ping pong balls, we have Prime and several characters validating a claim made about him destroying Oa, and we have Guy confirming that Prime did this... I think I'm going to assume Prime can destroy a planet, if that's okay with you.
And no, Prime isn't the greatest threat the DC universe will ever know, that part is hyperbole.
What's so impressive about his freakout here ? Am I supposed to be impressed ? We don't even get to see the extent of the damage caused by him.
Read above please. Denying Prime's planet busting credentials is just sad at this point.
Holding back means keeping his powers in check. If he doesn't hold back and let's loose his powers spike. If he was holding back he wouldn't take a single step. You really are bad at comprehending simple sentences.
Okay quan, seriously: Learn to type better English. I am not saying this to be a dick, I am so serious, this trainwreck of a point is barely being adequately conveyed by you.
But no: Prove he was able to lower his durability.
If a father teaching his son to box holds back during sparring to keep from hurting his kid, is the kid suddenly able to knock him out because the father is "holding back"? No. Hulk, after seeing what a single footstep of his could do, was then completely still because he didn't want to destroy the world.
That's what the scan referred to. It had nothing to do with his strength otherwise he'd hurt him far more than Superboy has since he's a lot strong.
Are you under the impression that Black Adam's fists being wreathed in magical lightning suddenly nulls the fact that knuckles harder than carbon nanotubes were being layed into his face as superluminal speeds? If you are, you would be mistaken.
Yes, just like Mordru is far more powerful than Prime but he's highly resistant to magic. Guess what Mordru and Adam have and what Superboy doesn't. Ask someone else to tell you if you can't figure it out.
Only Mordru just blasted Prime. That's it. Magic was the only factor. Black Adam's strength was a factor when he punched Prime.
He didn't. Overpowering someone off of you doesn't mean you can defeat them especially when he's never beaten so badass a group. Black Adam was pretty fine to after Prime decked him in Ic as well.
They were staring helplessly up at him, knowing they stood no chance against him. You're the "portrayal" guy, who looks at that as the be-all end-all. The heroes were desperate to stop Prime from retaining his full power... Because he was so powerful they couldn't handle him otherwise, and only barely handled him then. And then he easily threw them all off of him and bruised and battered them in the process.
It's consistent against Prime. You can't dismiss them just because you really like Prime.
No, but I can demonstrate the relative lack of validity in a forum debate because they are inconsistent with most of his rather good showings.
Or is that concept too advanced for you quan?
Which top tiers has Prime just raped in combat ?
Superman, multiple times.
Still had prep and help. Still highly resistant to magic. Still happened off panel.
It didn't really happen off-panel, Prime just flew in the fifth dimension and took Mxy before he or his girlfriend knew what happened.
Aka, he speedblitzed a 5D Imp so fast another 5D Imp had no idea what happened. 🙂
GA Superman Prime's speed defies multiversal cosmic awareness. 💃
He's never bested Superman.
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http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/knockdown.jpg
I should mention that Kal-L was portrayed as superior to New Earth Superman. Held the advantage during their entire fight, broke the hold of Wonder Woman's lasso, stopped Doomsday's fist with a single hand while Superman was knocked down, etc. Prime took down him, Cassie, and Alexander Luthor Jr. with a single blast of HV.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/primegirsup.jpg
Wow, look at how well Superman is doing!
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Manhandling Superman and Powergirl at the same time.
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http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/lotw09.jpg
Yes, clearly he has never bested Superman.
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/Primethrowsoffthelegion.jpg
Well, would you look at all of those Kryptonian-tier beings being tossed away! Including Superman himself, mind you.
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By his own admission, Superman can't fight Prime without help (A lot of help, mind you, and thanks Galan).
He's beaten MM. OK. The flashes beat him. He also runs from them when he has the chance. He's scared. Yat had weakness exploitation and it took him a long time to beat him down.
The Flashes had to BFR him into the Speed Force, and one of them kindasorta died to do it. He has also beaten up multiple Flashes like, what, twice? I don't deny that Prime fears the Flashes, because he fears being trapped in the Speedforce again. Yat was also above herald level beings in the story per portrayal, and... Not really, Prime didn't have much trouble with Yat at all.
I think Prime is superior only slightly superior.
Prime has dominated multiple heralds at once. Yet he is only slightly superior to them? Lol.
That's not directly comparing the feats in general here so you didn't win.
I wasn't actually trying to do that mind you, though Najda (Sorry if I mispelled your username, I can't recall the correct spelling), when he gets back to me, might be able to help me do so, and frankly that should prove more fruitful than arguing it with you.
Well then the dialogue is there to help the reader not to confuse us. It was comparable to a nuke and far less powerful than a chain reaction planet destroying explosion. You lost again.
It doesn't confuse me at all.
Ray is a fallible character making a casual, not scientific, observation. It doesn't say "Hi I am the writer and I would like to inform you that this blast is exactly as powerful as a nuclear explosion." Ray calling it a nuke has about as much relevance as someone referring to Bruce Lee's punches as "lightning fast", they don't literally mean he is as fast as lightning.
And... When Monarch's power output causes a chain reaction, a universe is destroyed, not a planet, so your final point is frankly bollocks.
Prime probably could do so but one event happened while one didn't. If you can't see the difference then I can't help you. Prime also thinks he's a hero. He's an idiot. Palmer isn't.
Wanna know who isn't an idiot?
Martian Manhunter, Superman, Kal-L, etc. All took Prime's threat seriously.
Also, of course Prime could do so, he has done better. 😉
Gladiator punched it while Prime needed to fly at high speeds while amped to do so. Amped.
Prove he needed to be amped. 🙂
Gladiator wasn't amped while Prime was. Yes, based on this is it more impressive especially since he didn't have to travel at high speeds to do so as well.
No but he had to slam his fists down at high speeds.
Tell me, can you cause more damage to, say, a board of wood by punching it, or running into it? 😉
They accomplished the same thing. Only one punched the planet three times while very angry, the other flew through it casually in a single action. Three actions vs. one. Casual versus bloodlusted. Checkmate.
If you think I can't argue worth a lick then let's battlezone. You and me. Comics are inconsistent and not based on real world applications. The sooner you get that the better.Again, man up and face me. I bet you won't. You're yellow.
What would be the battlezone's topic?
Keep in mind quan that I will readily admit that you have far, far more comic book knowledge than I do. I just happen to be more scientifically and literarily minded/knowledged, as well as more logical and a better debater. Which means that I, unlike you, can actually argue my stance of planet moving > planet busting efficiently. 😉
Also, nice of you to concede the main topic. That moving a planet is superior to destroying one. Because you really have. You have not even the pretense of an argument any more. Frankly, I don't give a shit if WBH beats Prime or not, because at the end of the day, I can look at this thread, and say, to you: I'm better than you. And I proved it. 🙂
Originally posted by abhilegendI certainly would not dispute that. Superman Prime has also survived being in between two planets colliding, which is an insane amount of energy.
Here is majestic surviving both earth and moon getting destroyed point blank
Herald level beings tank these type of explosions nevermind someone like SBP.
Originally posted by quanchi112yes but prime is stated as being rival to S.A.
This is Superman Prime.
200 supermen=superboyprime
1000 supermens=silver age
as for superman beyond it wasn't stated but I guess it's beyond living tribunal imho.
hulks doom he lost to iron man and btw that was cannon smh
Originally posted by Hulkbuster1
yes but prime is stated as being rival to S.A.
500 supermen=golden prime200 supermen=superboyprime
1000 supermens=silver age
as for superman beyond it wasn't stated but I guess it's beyond living tribunal imho.hulks doom he lost to iron man and btw that was cannon smh
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