that loss wasn't so impressive. a copycat took the abilities of one of his m-bodies. there's a lot that can be said about that whole situation.
i'll give team DC the benefit of the doubt, considering that you feel everyone on team DC is at least his equal. In one aspect, presence is technically superior(only if you look at it a certain way)...but LT is the embodiment of vengeance and does not yield to one side or the other. so anything that presence is capable of, LT should be able to respond to it.
Originally posted by Jynocidus that loss wasn't so impressive. a copycat took the abilities of one of his m-bodies. there's a lot that can be said about that whole situation. i'll give team DC the benefit of the doubt, considering that you feel everyone on team DC is at least his equal. In one aspect, presence is technically superior(only if you look at it a certain way)...but LT is the embodiment of vengeance and does not yield to one side or the other. so anything that presence is capable of, LT should be able to respond to it.
i doubt all of the beings are equal in power, imo. geb is certainly the toughest of the bunch.
I understand what you mean by saying GEB and UL as two sides of the same coin. To add to that, I'd say that not only could it be viewed as a coin but...more like the ultimate positive and negative. LT is the ultimate shade of grey between that black and white if you ask me, he's content and won't yield to just one side. and if he maintains his integrity, regardless of the influence of either side...what he embodies ultimately outweighs good and / or evil.
Not to mention...not only is the LT the embodiment of vengeance, he's also embodies two other great values. anything that is required for the presence or GEB to be so powerful, LT embodies. and even if I'm slightly mistaken, there's nothing anyone on team 1 can do that is out of LT's scope of power.
Originally posted by Jynocidus
I understand what you mean by saying GEB and UL as two sides of the same coin. To add to that, I'd say that not only could it be viewed as a coin but...more like the ultimate positive and negative. LT is the ultimate shade of grey between that black and white if you ask me, he's content and won't yield to just one side. and if he maintains his integrity, regardless of the influence of either side...what he embodies ultimately outweighs good and / or evil.Not to mention...not only is the LT the embodiment of vengeance, he's also embodies two other great values. anything that is required for the presence or GEB to be so powerful, LT embodies. and even if I'm slightly mistaken, there's nothing anyone on team 1 can do that is out of LT's scope of power.
You are very mistaken.
The Presence is a true omnipotent -- all powerful, all knowing, all present. He exists in everything and he created/is every concept. As nigh-omnipotent as LT is, the Presence and TOAA are infinitely more powerful.
Originally posted by Cogito
You are very mistaken.The Presence is a true omnipotent -- all powerful, all knowing, all present. He exists in everything and he created/is every concept. As nigh-omnipotent as LT is, the Presence and TOAA are infinitely more powerful.
i'm not convinced that there are any true omnipotent characters in this thread -- because Presence did not create LT.
This battle breaches the relative continuity where Presence *MIGHT* be considered "true omnipotent" because there are beings from somewhere else who's creation it had no part in. and to me, when you assess the significance of those involved, necessity outweighs good and evil so much that it keeps them balanced or...in their place. necessity is only part of what LT embodies, but that is an important factor in this thread.
This definitely isn't spite or all she wrote for marvel. I say LT pulls an upset and solos
Originally posted by Jynocidus
i'm not convinced that there are any true omnipotent characters in this thread -- because Presence did not create LT.This battle breaches the relative continuity where Presence *MIGHT* be considered "true omnipotent" because there are beings from somewhere else who's creation it had no part in. and to me, when you assess the significance of those involved, necessity outweighs good and evil so much that it keeps them balanced or...in their place. necessity is only part of what LT embodies, but that is an important factor in this thread.
This definitely isn't spite or all she wrote for marvel. I say LT pulls an upset and solos
WTF
The Presence is omnipotent. Fighting a Marvel character doesn't change that. Superman isn't beating TOAA because TOAA didn't create him.
The Presence is not half "good" and half "evil". It is everything, as any supreme being is. It is necessity, vengeance, black, white, grey, red, blue, and whatever else you think LT embodies.
Originally posted by Cogito
WTFThe Presence is omnipotent. Fighting a Marvel character doesn't change that. Superman isn't beating TOAA because TOAA didn't create him.
The Presence is not half "good" and half "evil". It is everything, as any supreme being is. It is necessity, vengeance, black, white, grey, red, blue, and whatever else you think LT embodies.
As far as I'm concerned, no character is truly omnipotent. There is always something that can threaten a creation.
And even if presence is what you think it to be, he's only that in DC. LT judges a continuity already, so doing another one shouldn't be outside of his jurisdiction just because he's up against...the presence.
I'm going to give Presence the benefit of the doubt: he's the literal plot device which is a notch above LT as an absolute entity, but that notch is not outside of LT's scope of power.
What is Presence going to do to someone who, as equity, has power that discriminates against no one? What is Presence going to do to someone, as vengeance, can use his power to respond to whatever he does? the necessity for LT to do it, comes from whatever Presence decides to do.
Once LT makes his judgement, Presence is done.
Originally posted by Jynocidus😐 😆
As far as I'm concerned, no character is truly omnipotent. There is always something that can threaten a creation.And even if presence is what you think it to be, he's only that in DC. LT judges a continuity already, so doing another one shouldn't be outside of his jurisdiction just because he's up against...the presence.
I'm going to give Presence the benefit of the doubt: he's the literal plot device which is a notch above LT as an absolute entity, but that notch is not outside of LT's scope of power.
What is Presence going to do to someone who, as equity, has power that discriminates against no one? What is Presence going to do to someone, as vengeance, can use his power to respond to whatever he does? the necessity for LT to do it, comes from whatever Presence decides to do.
Once LT makes his judgement, Presence is done.
Originally posted by Jynocidus
but that notch is not outside of LT's scope of power.
He is a true omnipotent. He's infinitely above LT's scope of power.
Originally posted by Jynocidus
What is Presence going to do to someone who, as equity, has power that discriminates against no one? What is Presence going to do to someone, as vengeance, can use his power to respond to whatever he does? the necessity for LT to do it, comes from whatever Presence decides to do.Once LT makes his judgement, Presence is done.
The Presence is equity, vengance, and necessity. He is the Judeo-Christian God, and regardless of what you believe in real life, in comics he's absolute.
I seriously don't understand how this concept is so hard to get?
Originally posted by Cogito
He is a true omnipotent. He's infinitely above LT's scope of power.The Presence is equity, vengance, and necessity. He is the Judeo-Christian God, and regardless of what you believe in real life, in comics he's absolute.
I seriously don't understand how this concept is so hard to get?
in Marvel, that Judeo Christian God is not above LT. I follow that, because that's how fiction should be, regardless of what I believe in real life. Judeo Christian God did not create MU.
and technically...JD God did not create DCU. So it's complex, but I see through the nonsense and say that LT pulls an upset and solos.