Originally posted by Golgo13
Stop talking about sales in a VS forum. It's just saaad. Lucifer>>>>Any of Marvel's/DC's shitty cosmics.
The sales figures are OBJECTIVE. The Lucifer series was ranked in the low 130s-150s for it's ENTIRE run.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
What did Fenris do in Heaven to put him at skyfather-level? On the surface, he held his own in a fight against Lucifer, Mazikeen and Duma. Sounds impressive, but both he and Lucifer were weakened for different plot-related reasons and to unclear extents. And he had Noema's help. And he still died.The way I read it, Fenris benefits from one-sided prep and Yahweh's deliberately arranging the fight in a way that would let him be surprised by the outcome. In a straight fight, he looks herald-level at his very best.
He turned into a typhoon and laid waste to Heaven's Host iirc. Also the destruction of the Throne of God. Then there is him being above Vertigo Odin who's almost equal in power to his Marvel counterpart(if we base our assessments on the fact that he created a pocket universe under his own power, which is the usual range at which Marvel Odin operates).
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Is the throne particularly durable in the first place? Who here is comfortable calling someone a skyfather because they turned into lightening and broke a fancy, stone chair?
And, Fenris straight up blew apart that sh1t.
Originally posted by Epicurus
IIRC, the throne is located in a room where the Word of God reverberates. Something which beings below Archangels like Michael and Lucifer can't withstand.And, Fenris straight up blew apart that sh1t.
Nah, you're thinking of the Logos, and Lucifer blew that up earlier just to get Michael's attention. The Throne was in a different tower. Nothing special about it except that Fenris was weaker there because it was the source of creation and he is a god of destruction.
There is no reason to believe that anybody with a jackhammer couldn't smash it up.
How do we know Fenris is superior to Odin?
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Nah, you're thinking of the Logos, and Lucifer blew that up earlier just to get Michael's attention. The Throne was in a different tower. Nothing special about it except that Fenris was weaker there because it was the source of creation and he is a god of destruction.There is no reason to believe that anybody with a jackhammer couldn't smash it up.
How do we know Fenris is superior to Odin?
Really?
Due to the nature of the character and his hierarchy within his pantheon. Along with the fact that Lucifer(during the very same time period when God left Creation) considered Odin with contempt and burnt his serpent to ash to free Loki of his torment, without even the slightest bit of concern of Odin's retribution. While Fenris' threat was enough to warrant a premonition from Destiny of the Endless of all people. Not to mention the complete ass-whooping Fenris was laying on Lucifer until their very final confrontation in Heaven.