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-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by abhilegend
Damn.
Rucking fetarded. How overpowered was alpha flight?

Pretty overpowered, Snowbird took on thousands of gods at once in one of her Great Beasts forms. The gods she were fighting even so powerful they were even hurting Demogorge

Then you have Guardian when he was a cyborg built to fight Galactus and actually one-shotted a weakened Galactus.

Shaman is a rival to Dr.Strange

Purple Girl is Purple Man's daughter and is nearly as skilled

Marrina in her ultimate form shrugged off attacks from Thor and the Avengers

Witchfire easily defeated Magik and took over Limbo, and way back when Belsaco (her father) wanted to use her to take over the multi-verse

etc

Etc.

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

But does she have anything that can stop a tree in her brain? 😱

Not to mention absorbing a universe is easier than taking on a being that can completely control a universe. It's the difference between smashing a huge rock with a hammer and fighting a living rock creature that fights back against you.

He could also take her consciousness and that of her teammates and stick them into the Source Wall (he's been through it and past it before - even Skyfathers can't do that normally).

He can use wood from the Garden of Eden which makes him immune to magic.

And if he wants to use non-magical means to beat her, he can just create a lot of oxygen so she gets hypoxia and then set it on fire (he can manipulate fire as well).

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by dmills
K-M,
Aside from the swamp thing issue, part of the initial plan was to have you as part of a strike team consisting of Yourself, Thor and Sersi to bag Superman. I picked you all due to his magic vulnerability. What's the nastiest thing you could cook up to help kill him to death? Because if Sersi isn't needed here I'd like to put her on the wonder woman imperative.

You would need some nasty magic to kill him. The guy while weakened has tanked magical blasts which shredded a skyfather to bits and has tanked shazam's magical lightning. You would also need to do it with stealth or you know about his senses, able to see to the end of universe, hear things from space, faster than pretty much anyone not named flash etc. Never underestimate superman.

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by Endless Mike
But does she have anything that can stop a tree in her brain? 😱
Not to mention absorbing a universe is easier than taking on a being that can completely control a universe. It's the difference between smashing a huge rock with a hammer and fighting a living rock creature that fights back against you.
He could also take her consciousness and that of her teammates and stick them into the Source Wall (he's been through it and past it before - even Skyfathers can't do that normally).
He can use wood from the Garden of Eden which makes him immune to magic.
And if he wants to use non-magical means to beat her, he can just create a lot of oxygen so she gets hypoxia and then set it on fire (he can manipulate fire as well).

The "Spirit of growing things" wouldn't allow it 😉...plus magical sheilds. She even took a punch from a being that said could destroy a planet and laughed as she absorbed it as he was magical and made her stronger

She had control, she absorbed trillions of spells and artifacts into herself.

Would love to see him try that. Once again using magic only makes her stronger, plus her teleportation skills are one of the best in the Marvel U. In addition with the spirit of time and space and her other spirit minions wouldn't allow that.

So he has prep now too? Also not convinced your previous tactics would even work and as mentioned with all the magic I have been asbrobing and or cancelling makes any attack you do not very effective.

Once again nope, not when she can control the wind spirits, Spirit of the Northwind, fire spirits, oh hell any elemental thing you try to send my way she has a spirit for it. She can manipulate ALL elements, plus you still have to do with the Great Beasts avatar army I summoned.

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by dmills
K-M,
Aside from the swamp thing issue, part of the initial plan was to have you as part of a strike team consisting of Yourself, Thor and Sersi to bag Superman. I picked you all due to his magic vulnerability. What's the nastiest thing you could cook up to help kill him to death? Because if Sersi isn't needed here I'd like to put her on the wonder woman imperative.

Three words....

Great Beasts summon

Originally posted by abhilegend
You would need some nasty magic to kill him. The guy while weakened has tanked magical blasts which shredded a skyfather to bits and has tanked shazam's magical lightning. You would also need to do it with stealth or you know about his senses, able to see to the end of universe, hear things from space, faster than pretty much anyone not named flash etc. Never underestimate superman.

She has it, and any magic present only makes her stronger. Once again she has beaten skyfathers and outright controlled them. These are the same skyfathers that were taking on the Chaos King and his God Army....and were winning

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

Originally posted by -K-M-
The "Spirit of growing things" wouldn't allow it

Swampy takes control of that spirit and beats it into submission like he did to Spectre-level Arcane 😠

She had control, she absorbed trillions of spells and artifacts into herself.

I mean the universe itself - fighting against someone who controls it like Elaine did.

Would love to see him try that. Once again using magic only makes her stronger, plus her teleportation skills are one of the best in the Marvel U. In addition with the spirit of time and space and her other spirit minions wouldn't allow that.

When Superman was caught in the Source Wall Highfather explained that the normal rules of time and space didn't apply, getting out is more complex than just teleporting and such.

So he has prep now too? Also not convinced your previous tactics would even work and as mentioned with all the magic I have been asbrobing and or cancelling makes any attack you do not very effective.

He doesn't need prep, he can go through time to get it, and also go to dimensions like Abaton which are impossible to find if you are consciously looking for them (unless you are Swamp Thing). If his power was able to overcome a Trigon/Spectre level being and smack around Elaine, I don't see your magic resistance being that effective.

Once again nope, not when she can control the wind spirits, Spirit of the Northwind, fire spirits, oh hell any elemental thing you try to send my way she has a spirit for it. She can manipulate ALL elements, plus you still have to do with the Great Beasts avatar army I summoned.

Swampy puts them unconscious and dumps them in a fictional reality...

dmills Centurion Prime

Originally posted by -K-M-
Three words....
Great Beasts summon
She has it, and any magic present only makes her stronger. Once again she has beaten skyfathers and outright controlled them. These are the same skyfathers that were taking on the Chaos King and his God Army....and were winning

So a Thor teamed up with say, a summoned Tanaraq strike team?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by -K-M-
Three words....
Great Beasts summon
She has it, and any magic present only makes her stronger. Once again she has beaten skyfathers and outright controlled them. These are the same skyfathers that were taking on the Chaos King and his God Army....and were winning

You know this is superman we're talking about. Beating universal baddies and skyfathers are one thing, beating superman is another. I know talisman is very overpowered but speed kills. How are her stealth powers?

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

Oh, and I found something else, when Arcane possessed ST's daughter Tefe, he said that Cable's powers (which had boosted him to Spectre level) were "mere parlor tricks in comparison", ST beat Arcane/Tefe as well.

Also I think I might have been underestimating Elaine in that encounter, her powers were compared to Lucifer (like a slightly lesser Lucifer). And keep in mind that was a baby ST, and he only lost because he agreed to it.

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

The Lords of Hell itself are scared of ST and the Green (this was after Lucifer left, but they've still got multiple Skyfather+ guys):

http://i43.tinypic.com/2wd6d21.jpg

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

And to top it all off, even the Goddamn Batman himself considers Swamp Thing to beat unbeatable:

http://i43.tinypic.com/11tlogj.jpg 😱

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Swampy takes control of that spirit and beats it into submission like he did to Spectre-level Arcane 😠

Strrrrrrretch! Your going to over-take spirit control from the Spirit-Binder and who can control skyfathers? Not likely.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I mean the universe itself - fighting against someone who controls it like Elaine did.

Dreamqueen and the Great Beasts. Also your scans you posted was not even a fight nor did Elaine struggle.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
When Superman was caught in the Source Wall Highfather explained that the normal rules of time and space didn't apply, getting out is more complex than just teleporting and such.

I meant you wouldn't even be able to get them into the Source Wall, with prep easily Talisman could prevent that. Also many people have escaped the Source Wall. Even Hank Henshaw tool control over a section of the Source Wall. It's a far cry to what it once was.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
He doesn't need prep, he can go through time to get it, and also go to dimensions like Abaton which are impossible to find if you are consciously looking for them (unless you are Swamp Thing). If his power was able to overcome a Trigon/Spectre level being and smack around Elaine, I don't see your magic resistance being that effective.

So can Talisman, and she actually is the one with prep. So no I don't see that as a viable tactic. Your Elaine feat isn't anything special, nor was it even a serious fight. Once she got serious she easily put him in his place. This is a being that once again has shown on several times to be able to control and overide magic from skyfathers.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Swampy puts them unconscious and dumps them in a fictional reality...

Strrrrrrretch. Try again.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Also I think I might have been underestimating Elaine in that encounter, her powers were compared to Lucifer (like a slightly lesser Lucifer). And keep in mind that was a baby ST, and he only lost because he agreed to it.

and once again, Elaine quickly put Swamp Thing in his place. Not sure why your even bringing it up as it is not as impressive as your trying to make it out to be.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The Lords of Hell itself are scared of ST and the Green (this was after Lucifer left, but they've still got multiple Skyfather+ guys):
http://i43.tinypic.com/2wd6d21.jpg

as I mentioned many skyfathers are afraid of Talisman too. Next.

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by dmills
So a Thor teamed up with say, a summoned Tanaraq strike team?

Naaaaa go with Neooqtoq the Ravager

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Originally posted by -K-M-
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dmills Centurion Prime

This ST vs Talisman match is turning out to be the most pivotal match in the whole scenario lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You know this is superman we're talking about. Beating universal baddies and skyfathers are one thing, beating superman is another. I know talisman is very overpowered but speed kills. How are her stealth powers?

Dude, Supes isn't beating a prepped strike team consisting of Thor, Sersi and a summoned Tanaraq that ambushes him 😛

-K-M- ...........

On the Tanaraq note...

Tanaraq summon's a demon army that actually used to serve Surtur and was responsible for Beta Ray Bill's race being in such demise. Wether or not they truly serve Tanaraq or Surtur is to be determined.

1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/OmegaFLight3_15.jpg

and we have seen Talisman control Tanaraq....TWICE

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by dmills
This ST vs Talisman match is turning out to be the most pivotal match in the whole scenario lol.
Dude, Supes isn't beating a prepped strike team consisting of Thor, Sersi and a summoned Tanaraq that ambushes him 😛

How are they going to ambush him? By knocking on his apartment door?

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So in summary, Talisman with prep is going to be gobbling up magic adding to her own might and with all her summoned minions (even skyfather beings) really doesn't give Swamp Thing much of a chance.

Plus any magic thrown at her she can outright cancel it or use it to make her stronger so any attacks would be faulty as your only adding to the problem ie. making Talisman more powerful.

EDIT: Another thing about the Source Wall, even though Darkseid was trapped in it he was still able to summon avatars to do his bidding. Could I see Talisman do something like that? You betcha! Would post the scans, but seems photobucket has disabled basically majority of my scans from the Darkseid respect thread....lovely.

AlmightyKfish This Is No Longer A City.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Oh, and I found something else, when Arcane possessed ST's daughter Tefe, he said that Cable's powers (which had boosted him to Spectre level) were "mere parlor tricks in comparison", ST beat Arcane/Tefe as well.
Also I think I might have been underestimating Elaine in that encounter, her powers were compared to Lucifer (like a slightly lesser Lucifer). And keep in mind that was a baby ST, and he only lost because he agreed to it.

I'm p.sure at that instance Elaine was the guardian spirit of Lucifer's earth, prior to her absorbing Michael's power, and thus is just incarnated in a human body.

She was connected to that planet, but wasn't anywhere near her later power levels...

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

Originally posted by -K-M-
Strrrrrrretch! Your going to over-take spirit control from the Spirit-Binder and who can control skyfathers? Not likely.

Spectre > Skyfathers 😛

Dreamqueen and the Great Beasts. Also your scans you posted was not even a fight nor did Elaine struggle.

Yeah she did. He snuck up on her, started smacking her around, and only agreed to "die" because she said it was necessary.

I meant you wouldn't even be able to get them into the Source Wall, with prep easily Talisman could prevent that.

Prep but not necessarily knowledge - does she know about the Source Wall? How can she prepare for something she has no knowledge of?

Also many people have escaped the Source Wall. Even Hank Henshaw tool control over a section of the Source Wall. It's a far cry to what it once was.

But ST penetrated it back when it was what it once was

So can Talisman, and she actually is the one with prep. So no I don't see that as a viable tactic. Your Elaine feat isn't anything special, nor was it even a serious fight. Once she got serious she easily put him in his place. This is a being that once again has shown on several times to be able to control and overide magic from skyfathers.

He only stopped fighting because he agreed to. She never actually beat him. And ST has shown himself to be above Skyfathers and beyond many times.

Strrrrrrretch. Try again.

He showed the ability to render other elementals and beings like Superman unconscious easily, and in the "River Run" storyline he showed the ability to enter, travel between, and manipulate fictional realities. He could turn the Great Beasts into nothing more than a story.

and once again, Elaine quickly put Swamp Thing in his place. Not sure why your even bringing it up as it is not as impressive as your trying to make it out to be.

She detected him and talked things out with him, convincing him he needed to leave. She didn't actually overwhelm him with her power.

as I mentioned many skyfathers are afraid of Talisman too. Next.

Spectre = Cable Arcane <<<<<<< Tefe < ST 💃

dmills Centurion Prime

Originally posted by abhilegend
How are they going to ambush him? By knocking on his apartment door?

We've prepped for three years brah. We've got Cable, Iron man and Me with the WM. You think we can't cook up a plan to take out phucking superman? Hell some of the peeps on our team could outright beat him straight up or give him hell even without prep. I'm only going this route for efficiency lol.