Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
I'm p.sure at that instance Elaine was the guardian spirit of Lucifer's earth, prior to her absorbing Michael's power, and thus is just incarnated in a human body.She was connected to that planet, but wasn't anywhere near her later power levels...
That creation was in an entire universe, we saw Lucifer creating it earlier
Originally posted by dmills
We've prepped for three years brah. We've got Cable, Iron man and Me with the WM. You think we can't cook up a plan to take out phucking superman? Hell some of the peeps on our team could outright beat him straight up or give him hell even without prep. I'm only going this route for efficiency lol.
BTW, the guy I posted earlier who was trying to use magic against ST, he had conquered an entire universe - and he got owned. His plan was also to try to control ST, since apparently ST's power >>>>>>>>>> his universe-conquering power:
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Spectre > Skyfathers 😛
Definetly not in the last few years. You would be hard pressed to find a good feat for him.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yeah she did. He snuck up on her, started smacking her around, and only agreed to "die" because she said it was necessary.
No she really didn't, and was only hit her once and then when she got serious it was over. That is not being in trouble
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Prep but not necessarily knowledge - does she know about the Source Wall? How can she prepare for something she has no knowledge of?
She can from the spirits of the Wall, or any of the dead New Gods she could summon 🙂
Originally posted by Endless Mike
But ST penetrated it back when it was what it once was
Many people have during the time ST did. It was only incredible powerful during the first two runs of New Gods and that was before the ST feat.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
He only stopped fighting because he agreed to. She never actually beat him. And ST has shown himself to be above Skyfathers and beyond many times.
No she didn't need to, he was already defeated mentally. Once again goes back to what I said a few times. It WASN'T even a fight. If your refering to when the Word said “Your abilities rivaled those of the Voice himself”...don't. He isn't that powerful anymore and if he was at that level still then he could solo everyone from the team and on DC Earth
Originally posted by Endless Mike
He showed the ability to render other elementals and beings like Superman unconscious easily, and in the "River Run" storyline he showed the ability to enter, travel between, and manipulate fictional realities. He could turn the Great Beasts into nothing more than a story.
Great Beasts > Superman
and unlikely, unless you think he could do that to the Chaos King AND his God Army all at the same time. I certainly don't, as would majority of the people too.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
She detected him and talked things out with him, convincing him he needed to leave. She didn't actually overwhelm him with her power.
Yeah, but your the one who claimed she had trouble...when she didn't, and nor was it even really a fight as I have said a few times. Not that impressive.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Spectre = Cable Arcane <<<<<<< Tefe < ST 💃
Based on?
And you know the Black Lantern Swamp Thing? That was just part of the Green that was corrupted and believed itself to be Nekron, and was compared in power to the real thing. The true ST owned him.
So I have no fewer than five examples of universe level beings being challenged/overcome by ST:
1. Arcane/Cable
2. Tefe
3. Elaine
4. Broichan the Druid
5. Nekron/ST
Skyfathers are all fine and good, but can you show me Talisman taking on universe-level (cosmic cube scale) beings?
Also regarding the God Squad, that was kind of jobbing as Hercules managed to kill the head Skrull God. I'm pretty sure ST could beat Herc.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
BTW, the guy I posted earlier who was trying to use magic against ST, he had conquered an entire universe - and he got owned. His plan was also to try to control ST, since apparently ST's power >>>>>>>>>> his universe-conquering power:
Is he the Spirit-Binder? No. Is he a messiah? No. Has he shown to control skyfather beings? No. Did he have at least three years of prep to take on ST? No. Does he have nearly the feats of say the Beasts (who have taken over a universe themselves) or Talisman? No. Is his powers specfically controlling spirits? No. Is his powers based on strictly controlling magic and is a magical sponge? No.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Is he the Spirit-Binder? No. Is he a messiah? No. Has he shown to control skyfather beings? No. Did he have at least three years of prep to take on ST? No. Does he have nearly the feats of say the Beasts (who have taken over a universe themselves) or Talisman? No. Is his powers specfically controlling spirits? No. Is his powers based on strictly controlling magic and is a magical sponge? No.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
And you know the Black Lantern Swamp Thing? That was just part of the Green that was corrupted and believed itself to be Nekron, and was compared in power to the real thing. The true ST owned him.So I have no fewer than five examples of universe level beings being challenged/overcome by ST:
1. Arcane/Cable
2. Tefe
3. Elaine
4. Broichan the Druid
5. Nekron/STSkyfathers are all fine and good, but can you show me Talisman taking on universe-level (cosmic cube scale) beings?
Also regarding the God Squad, that was kind of jobbing as Hercules managed to kill the head Skrull God. I'm pretty sure ST could beat Herc.
FYI, Nekron has been defeated by Captain Atom in the past. Also what specific feats did Nekron have in battle? What unciversal feats did Nekron have? and once again your using the Elaine incident...don't. The others I have not heard, which doesn't give them terribly much credibility as they seem like one-off characters.
I did, Great Beasts, Dreamqueen and Llan.
He didn't beat the Skrull God. It was Snowbird using a bone from Demogorge stabbed him and utlimately killed him. Hercules DID NOT beat him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Just trying to point it out that you are giving skyfather level too much credit.
These skyfathers were taking on the Chaos King and the God Army and were beating them. They have taken over a universe, and actually have a lot more feats. They get credit, because as shown they have deserved it.
Even Mauvais a being that fought the Ancient One, and in modern times Dr.Strange was terrified he returned from his prison and mentioned he was unsure he could beat him (Mauvais). While Mauvais on the other hand was TERRIFIED of the Great Beasts.
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-20.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-21.jpg
Dr.Strange on Mauvais
1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/Wolverine_165_01.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/Wolverine_165_02.jpg
Originally posted by -K-M-
Definetly not in the last few years. You would be hard pressed to find a good feat for him.
All this stuff happened way before the last few years.
No she really didn't, and was only hit her once and then when she got serious it was over. That is not being in trouble
It was only over because baby ST agreed for it to be. Who knows what might have happened if they had decided to actually fight. And keep in mind this was a far weaker ST.
She can from the spirits of the Wall, or any of the dead New Gods she could summon
Is that even allowed? Is she going to summon the spirits of everyone in the multiverse to find out any possible danger that could be put against her?
🙄
Many people have during the time ST did. It was only incredible powerful during the first two runs of New Gods and that was before the ST feat.
Many people - such as? Metron and Darkseid considered it incredible that he could.
No she didn't need to, he was already defeated mentally. Once again goes back to what I said a few times. It WASN'T even a fight. If your refering to when the Word said “Your abilities rivaled those of the Voice himself”...don't. He isn't that powerful anymore and if he was at that level still then he could solo everyone from the team and on DC Earth
I'm not using God ST - this was a baby ST. He and Elaine talked it out and he agreed to leave. I don't see how that qualifies as being owned.
Great Beasts > Superman
What about elemental form Captain Atom and Red Tornado?
and unlikely, unless you think he could do that to the Chaos King AND his God Army all at the same time. I certainly don't, as would majority of the people too.
So Talisman can solo Chaos King and all of those guys? Why didn't she then?
Yeah, but your the one who claimed she had trouble...when she didn't, and nor was it even really a fight as I have said a few times. Not that impressive.
She did have trouble, he managed to avoid her detection and sneak up on her, knock her down and hurt her, while taking on her companions as well.
Based on?
Arcane Cable = Spectre:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/st_arcane16.jpg
Arcane Cable falls to Swamp Thing:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/st_arcane4.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/st_arcane5.jpg
Tefe > Arcane Cable:
http://i43.tinypic.com/13za4o1.jpg
As further confirmation, the Lords of Hell believe that with Tefe's power, they cold challenge even Lucifer himself:
http://i39.tinypic.com/vmwu2e.jpg
But, what's this? ST's powers > Tefe's:
Originally posted by -K-M-
These skyfathers were taking on the Chaos King and the God Army and were beating them. They have taken over a universe, and actually have a lot more feats. They get credit, because as shown they have deserved it.Even Mauvais a being that fought the Ancient One, and in modern times Dr.Strange was terrified he returned from his prison and mentioned he was unsure he could beat him (Mauvais). While Mauvais on the other hand was TERRIFIED of the Great Beasts.
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-20.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-21.jpgDr.Strange on Mauvais
1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/Wolverine_165_01.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/Wolverine_165_02.jpg
Originally posted by -K-M-
FYI, Nekron has been defeated by Captain Atom in the past. Also what specific feats did Nekron have in battle? What unciversal feats did Nekron have? and once again your using the Elaine incident...don't. The others I have not heard, which doesn't give them terribly much credibility as they seem like one-off characters.I did, Great Beasts, Dreamqueen and Llan.
He didn't beat the Skrull God. It was Snowbird using a bone from Demogorge stabbed him and utlimately killed him. Hercules DID NOT beat him.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Is he the Spirit-Binder? No. Is he a messiah? No. Has he shown to control skyfather beings? No. Did he have at least three years of prep to take on ST? No. Does he have nearly the feats of say the Beasts (who have taken over a universe themselves) or Talisman? No. Is his powers specfically controlling spirits? No. Is his powers based on strictly controlling magic and is a magical sponge? No.
He can control spirits. I don't see what being a messiah has anything to do with it. He had many years of prep. He can control and absorb magic too.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
He can control spirits. I don't see what being a messiah has anything to do with it. He had many years of prep. He can control and absorb magic too.
Like what? and the messiah goes back to your comment about her powers wouldn't work on Swamp Thing as he is divine
Did he know? Lets see it.
Now show me doing it on the level of Talisman.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Then they aren't skyfathers. I was saying "skyfather level".
Wasn't that by some plot device? Tanking shots from the white entity of life and bfring anti-monitor by a gesture. Don't lowball, alpha flight has much more embarassing showings I suppose.
Yes they are, they are actually Elder Gods if you want to be specific. Anti-Monitor was drastically weakened and during the Sinestro Wars wasn't even on a universal power level before he got mortally damaged by Superboy Prime.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Yes they are, they are actually Elder Gods if you want to be specific. Anti-Monitor was drastically weakened and during the Sinestro Wars wasn't even on a universal power level before he got mortally damaged by Superboy Prime.
Originally posted by -K-M-
FYI, Nekron has been defeated by Captain Atom in the past.
With the Quantum Field, IIRC. And ST beat down Captain Atom too.
Also what specific feats did Nekron have in battle? What unciversal feats did Nekron have?
Nekron is Death, emptiness, darkness:
http://i40.tinypic.com/288pg1j.jpg
He defeated the Anti-Monitor and enslaved the Spectre. He pwned the Guardians of the Universe. The Blackest Night was a multiversal event, Nekron's aim was to extinguish all life in the multiverse. Confirmed by Brainiac 5:
http://i41.tinypic.com/21ca8ig.jpg
And when the Black Lanterns reached Earth-Prime to fight SBP.
and once again your using the Elaine incident...don't. The others I have not heard, which doesn't give them terribly much credibility as they seem like one-off characters.
I posted them before.
I did, Great Beasts, Dreamqueen and Llan.
Great Beasts conquered a universe over an unknown period of time - the druids ST fought did it in a few decades at most. Great Beasts are Skyfather level. Need more info on Dreamqueen and Llan.
He didn't beat the Skrull God. It was Snowbird using a bone from Demogorge stabbed him and utlimately killed him. Hercules DID NOT beat him.
Really, I recall Hercules winning, but it's been a long time since I read it.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Like what? and the messiah goes back to your comment about her powers wouldn't work on Swamp Thing as he is divineDid he know? Lets see it.
Now show me doing it on the level of Talisman.
Let's see what? I was just saying that trying to absorb ST's magic isn't going to work because I don't recall his powers being stated to be magic in nature.
