Hulk vs Superman: fighting for love

Originally posted by carver9
You are getting confused Cosmic. The only reason more damage wasn't done during WBH when he took his step was just because of that, he took a measly step and was shaking the east coast. He was hitting Armaggedon with full fledged on punches, not just tiny foot step hits.

Hulk energy had nothing to do with what he did, it was all strength unless you got a scan proving otherwise. That's why they show his feet every time he does it...

Example....

Feet.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094154/Incredible_Hulks_632_009.jpg.html

Feet..

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh034.jpg

Feet...

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/WBHfootstepdoesitagain3.jpg

Just a foot step and obviously involving strength. Do you think Superman could take an average footstep and do as much damage as a holding back WBH?

What?

With a single step, I see him releasing ambient energy all over the place.

Show me where you're getting that his energy is not a part of it?

Because the saying 'with a single step'. Doesn't contradict the fact that he's bleeding energy all over the place, and that alone, even while he's not even moving is doing damage as well.

So by reasonable deduction, it couldn't possibly be strength alone.

But hey, its not as if the shockwaves of Superman's punches haven't rattled a planet before as well.

And that's greater than directly stepping on the ground, since its, you know, indirect.

And he's not even releasing any ambient energy like the Hulk does with gamma. It's simply the force of his punches landing.

^ Unless the energy is some sort of extraneous force not generated by Hulk, I fail to see how this tangent is relevant.

And Savage/Mindless Hulk has rattled the planet before without directly stepping on the ground. Hell, WBH obliterated a planet indirectly.

Originally posted by carver9
By the way, looking at their fights they are Savage Hulk level.

Wendigo has stalemated Hulk numerous of times.

Bi beast defeated Hulk and stalemated him as well.

Armageddon overpowered Merged Hulk who is stronger than Savage.

Savage Hulk has no set level.

So its too convenient to try to say any decent brick that has hurt him is 'on his level'.

Guess that goes for Doc Samson as well.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What?

With a single step, I see him releasing ambient energy all over the place.

Show me where you're getting that his energy is not a part of it?

Because the saying 'with a single step'. Doesn't contradict the fact that he's bleeding energy all over the place, and that alone, even while he's not even moving is doing damage as well.

So by reasonable deduction, it couldn't possibly be strength alone.

Hey, its not as if the shockwaves of Superman's punches haven't rattled a planet before. And that's greater than directly stepping on the ground, since its indirect.

Lol...right after that scan, while raising his leg, he turned back to Banner to prevent himself from sinking the east coast.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094156/Incredible_Hulks_632_012.jpg.html

After this, he didn't take a single footstep to prevent any type of destruction as WBH. If it didnt have anything to do with strength, why would he revert back to Banner to prevent himself from taking a step?

Then its stated on panel that it was the footsteps that did it...stated more than once. You are trying to add to something that is not true. I showed you two instances where it was STATED to be his footsteps, what do you have?

Show me Superman rattling a planet with a punch.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Unless the energy is some sort of extraneous force not generated by Hulk, I fail to see how this tangent is relevant.

And Savage/Mindless Hulk has rattled the planet before without directly stepping on the ground. Hell, WBH obliterated a planet indirectly.

The point the entire time is Hulk being capable of more collateral damage than Superman is not a show of greater strength, since his natural bodily energy projection factors in.

Speaking on just the force of his muscles and the pressure of his fist colliding with an object, there is nothing that Hulk could lift or damage that Superman cannot.

Does that make sense?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...right after that scan, while raising his leg, he turned back to Banner to prevent himself from sinking the east coast.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094156/Incredible_Hulks_632_012.jpg.html

After this, he didn't take a single footstep to prevent any type of destruction as WBH. If it didnt have anything to do with strength, why would he revert back to Banner to prevent himself from taking a step?

Then its stated on panel that it was the footsteps that did it...stated more than once. You are trying to add to something that is not true. I showed you two instances where it was STATED to be his footsteps, what do you have?

Show me Superman rattling a planet with a punch.

*facepalm*

Read again, Carver.

I said it wasn't strength ALONE. Not that there was NO strength involved.

'With a single foot step'. What happens with that single foot step? That's right. Gamma energy flows the whole radius of the impact.

And that gamma energy? Was doing collateral damage while he's not even moving as well, so its confirmed that the gamma energy CONTRIBUTES to any damage he creates.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Savage Hulk has no set level.

So its too convenient to try to say any decent brick that has hurt him is 'on his level'.

Guess that goes for Doc Samson as well.

In prolong fights where he is pissed talking about killing his opponents, he is high end. You are picking and choosing.

This doesn't have a thing to do about hurting because if that was the case, that would make Shadow Dragon high Herald since he hurt Superman. This is CONSISTENT showings and consistently, Wendigo and Bi Beast have shown to be on Savage Hulk level. Armageddon shown he was a power house. All of this is obvious.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The point the entire time is Hulk being capable of more collateral damage than Superman is not a show of greater strength, since his natural bodily energy projection factors in.

Speaking on just the force of his muscles and the pressure of his fist colliding with an object, there is nothing that Hulk could lift or damage that Superman cannot.

Does that make sense?

Except I've never seen Superman obliterate a planet by striking another equally powerful foe via collateral damage.

When you're able to reconcile the above, it might make sense.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
*facepalm*

Read again, Carver.

I said it wasn't strength ALONE. Not that there was NO strength involved.

Him leaking energy doesn't have a thing to do with his showing. How about this...right here he isn't leaking any type of energy and the same results happened.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/WBHfootstepdoesitagain2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/WBHfootstepdoesitagain3.jpg

No green energy but the same results.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Superman might, and could win here, but there's no way he's comparable in a strength fest after Pak ran a rape train through Hulk's character.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Since you agree that Hulk is generating the energy projection in the first place, what does it matter? Conceding that WBH is capable of more destructive force but arguing that WBH somehow is weaker (musclewise) seems to be a meaningless endeavor.

Except I've never seen Superman obliterate a planet by striking another equally powerful foe via collateral damage.

When you're able to reconcile the above, it might make sense.

I never argued that WBH is weaker muscle wise if you read. I called him equal to Superman in strength, but greater in potential collateral damage.

That doesn't mean his fist produces more pressure when it lands on an object. That simply means there is peripheral energy flow along with his movements.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I never argued that WBH is weaker muscle wise if you read. I called him equal to Superman in strength, but greater in potential collateral damage.

That doesn't mean his fist produces more pressure when it lands on an object. That simply means there is peripheral energy flow along with his movements.

Sigh*

Superman.

Speedblitz wins this. He can read the paper, have a snack and take a dump in the time it'd take the Hulk to register one second of time passing.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I never argued that WBH is weaker muscle wise if you read. I called him equal to Superman in strength, but greater in potential collateral damage.

That doesn't mean his fist produces more pressure when it lands on an object. That simply means there is peripheral energy flow along with his movements.

I don't think Pak was meaning to turn Hulk into one of the most devastating energy projection characters in Marvel. I think he was just illustrating how he's the strongest there is.

All this talk of energy projection detracting from Hulk's pure strength reminds me of all the conjecture surrounding Superman's flight detracting from Superman's pure strength. Neither was ever ruled out definitively to my knowledge but both theories just seem pointless.

Originally posted by Robtard
Superman.

Speedblitz wins this. He can read the paper, have a snack and take a dump in the time it'd take the Hulk to register one second of time passing.

I agree with this...since people like

Hulk
The General
Doomsday
Grundy
Mangog
Despero
Juggernaut
Titus
Shaggyman
Konvikt

Never shown the ability to read a paper at super speed, they shouldn't face people like Gladiator, Nova Prime, Fire Lord, Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, hell, I can throw kid Gladiator up in there as well.

We need to exempt these non reader papers at super speed from vs threads. Let's ignore all of the combat showings involving Gladiator and the crew getting slapped around by these people, its obviously a life time worth of PIS. Gladiator solos the entire crew without getting touched in less than a second 10/10.

💃

There is no theory here. Simply fact.

Hulk's energy projection is shown doing damage to the environment even while he's simply in one spot roid raging up.

Thus, logically, it contributes. Who's asking for a divorce? I'm asking for an acknowledgement of a consolidation of two factors clearly at work.

Originally posted by carver9
Him leaking energy doesn't have a thing to do with his showing. How about this...right here he isn't leaking any type of energy and the same results happened.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/WBHfootstepdoesitagain2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/WBHfootstepdoesitagain3.jpg

No green energy but the same results.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with this...since people like

Hulk
The General
Doomsday
Grundy
Mangog
Despero
Juggernaut
Titus
Shaggyman
Konvikt

Never shown the ability to read a paper at super speed, they shouldn't face people like Gladiator, Nova Prime, Fire Lord, Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, hell, I can throw kid Gladiator up in there as well.

We need to exempt these non reader papers at super speed from vs threads. Let's ignore all of the combat showings involving Gladiator and the crew getting slapped around by these people, its obviously a life time worth of PIS. Gladiator solos the entire crew without getting touched in less than a second 10/10.

💃

Gladiator operating at nanosecond level speed--like he did that one time with Hyperion, absolutely SHOULD wreck the Hulk without getting hit a single time.

That is, if Gladiator is meant to be nanosecond level in reflexes consistently. Superman certainly is.

Hulk definitely has great reflexes. But they are in the low hypersonic levels.

Hardly lightspeed. Not even close.

Simply saying 'Superspeed' is being deliberately vague.

Hulk absolutely has superspeed. No doubt about it. There's not a man or creature alive that can possibly move as fast as him.

That's superspeed enough. Unfortuntately there are levels to the term.

Originally posted by carver9

Show the entire scene.

He's not doing anywhere near the kind of damage he is when he's leaking energy like a broken pipe.

He's taking several steps in that scan and all I see is some ambiguously loud sound effect and a little rubble around his feet, and then only in the final panel.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Gladiator operating at nanosecond level speed--like he did that one time with Hyperion, absolutely SHOULD wreck the Hulk without getting hit a single time.

That is, if Gladiator is meant to be nanosecond level in reflexes consistently. Superman certainly is.

Hulk definitely has great reflexes. But they are in the low hypersonic levels.

Hardly lightspeed. Not even close.

Simply saying 'Superspeed' is being deliberately vague.

Hulk absolutely has superspeed. No doubt about it. There's not a man or creature alive that can possibly move as fast as him.

That's superspeed enough. Unfortuntately there are levels to the term.

So we agree that its a lifetime worth of PIS involved with these character getting tagged by the bricks I've brought up?