Nightcrawler vs. Ironfist

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Nightcrawler vs. Ironfist

vs.

Who wins?

if this is x-force kurt then he beats him for the maj

Hey Sin

is it close?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
if this is x-force kurt then he beats him for the maj

How?

Kurt got tagged by Spidey in mid teleport, and Danny's extra sensory perception and speed is good enough to copy that feat (He's done everything from fighting blind to sensing attackers coming that were still several blocks away.)

Originally posted by byrdgang21
Hey Sin

is it close?

no....current kurt will go for the kill every time, and will accomplish it more often than not, plus he is skilled enough imo to survive a h2h altercation

Skill for skill, he's facing one of MA's elite martial artists...

But even if we spotted him a skill advantage, skill only goes so far. Unless he's had a serious upgrade, he's at a BIG stats disadvantage.

Iron Fist is quick enough to catch bullets, and hits hard enough to drop a helicarrier or give Black Panther brain damage behind a vibranium suit.

Sure, Kurt could teleport off body parts, but to do that he needs to get close enough where he's vulnerable to being hit. And Danny's reflex's are better than Kurts are... (Again, unless Kurt got an upgrade, and a big one..)

Originally posted by cdtm
Skill for skill, he's facing one of MA's elite martial artists...

But even if we spotted him a skill advantage, skill only goes so far. Unless he's had a serious upgrade, he's at a BIG stats disadvantage.

Iron Fist is quick enough to catch bullets, and hits hard enough to drop a helicarrier or give Black Panther brain damage behind a vibranium suit.

Sure, Kurt could teleport off body parts, but to do that he needs to get close enough where he's vulnerable to being hit. And Danny's reflex's are better than Kurts are... (Again, unless Kurt got an upgrade, and a big one..)

him thats arguable...this isnt normal 616 kurt so u cant use the spiderman argument, and all he would have to do it get an appendage which aint hard in a h2h fight

Originally posted by cdtm
How?

Kurt got tagged by Spidey in mid teleport, and Danny's extra sensory perception and speed is good enough to copy that feat (He's done everything from fighting blind to sensing attackers coming that were still several blocks away.)

Spiderman is faster and his spider-sense is more effective.

Kurt FTW.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Spiderman is faster and his spider-sense is more effective.

I demand an unbiased second opinion.

How about it, Mindset?

IF 10/10

Kurt will be teleported to hell.

Im well aware of if's uber showings as of late, but overall, he is not faster than parker.....nor is his sensory perception more effective.

He's as fast and his fist is made of iron.

IF 10/10.

I realize that when a character all of a sudden pulls off some impressive feats behind a new run that it catches the eye, but consistency and history Is the key.

Yeah, by any objective measure, he's as fast. His bullet feats stack up with anything Spidey's done.

Davos is inferior to Danny in every way, and even he was so fast, he managed to catch Peter on the chin immediately after getting dropkicked from behind. Spidey commented on his speed being too fast for him to avoid.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I realize that when a character all of a sudden pulls off some impressive feats behind a new run that it catches the eye, but consistency and history Is the key.

See Danny's respect thread. He has impressive older feats as far back as the 80's, in addition to modern stuff.

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, by any objective measure, he's as fast. His bullet feats stack up with anything Spidey's done.

Davos is inferior to Danny in every way, and even he was so fast, he managed to catch Peter on the chin immediately after getting dropkicked from behind. Spidey commented on his speed being too fast for him to avoid.

street-level mas tag many who are faster for the sake of a fight, but according to all the feats they amassed throughout their comic history, I'd say parker is cleary more agile.

Davo's didn't simply tag him.

He was distracted by Iron Fist entering the fray, had his back turned to Spidey, and Spider Man took the opportunity to kick him in the back of the head. And Davos, unphased (And Black Tarantula knocked out Iron Fist with a similar cheap attack, so Davos being unphased is impressive in itself.), pivoted and clocked Spidey in the jaw, with Spidey thinking to himself that Davos is moving too fast for him to avoid.

It's a clear feat of speed, by the context and speech.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Im well aware of if's uber showings as of late, but overall, he is not faster than parker.....nor is his sensory perception more effective.

In battle terms yeah spider-sense is better, Danny's senses are better over all though.

And no, Danny and Parker are roughly the same speed with any speed advantage to either being very minor. Your argument about history doesn't even mean to much when Danny was upgraded anyway. Even then he did his feats enough to be considered a speed peer.

As for this thread. Any different about current kurt from normal?

Kurt had a tussle with Spidey back in the day and had him on the ropes, while not wanting to fight. He's pretty fast when he puts his mind to it. And he's got bullet dodging feats himself. Like dodging machine gun fire pointed at his back from point blank range.

Danny. Flawless Victory, Fatality.