Nightcrawler vs. Ironfist

Started by cdtm3 pages
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Talk about an old, bad written fight.

In what way, exactly?

Were the stories where Black Tarantula beat Spidey badly written too? Because like SS he grabbed him out of mid air and beat him on a wall instead of on a tree, and like SS he tanked most of Spidey's attacks.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Naw he's been a peer of spidey for a while now. He just had shitty stamina regarding his powers. Now that he's upgraded their on equal levels with both being good at different areas.

Yes, using the Iron Fist drained him.

And arguing where he stands next to Spidey is one thing, but how could anyone that's read Iron Fist claim he's a street?

Hell, how can you look at Davos toss Spidey around like a discus and claim that's something a street can do? I can't see Batman or Captain America throwing someone like a frisbee.

Originally posted by cdtm
In what way, exactly?

Were the stories where Black Tarantula beat Spidey badly written too? Because like SS he grabbed him out of mid air and beat him on a wall instead of on a tree, and like SS he tanked most of Spidey's attacks.


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Eh, Black Tarantula is like class 50 or so, super fast and is bulletproof... him beating Spider-Man on a wall is not a hard thing to do for him.

Davos is just a man. Spider-Man was holding back the entire fight (his own words).

Originally posted by cdtm
Hell, how can you look at Davos toss Spidey around like a discus and claim that's something a street can do? I can't see Batman or Captain America throwing someone like a frisbee.

Because it's a badly written fight... those exist in comics, you know.

It's within capacity of any competent street fighter to take out Spiderman.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
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Eh, Black Tarantula is like class 50 or so, super fast and is bulletproof... him beating Spider-Man on a wall is not a hard thing to do for him.

Davos is just a man. Spider-Man was holding back the entire fight (his own words).

Davos isn't just a man though.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
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Eh, Black Tarantula is like class 50 or so, super fast and is bulletproof... him beating Spider-Man on a wall is not a hard thing to do for him.

Davos is just a man. Spider-Man was holding back the entire fight (his own words).

Davos has superpowers...

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
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Eh, Black Tarantula is like class 50 or so, super fast and is bulletproof... him beating Spider-Man on a wall is not a hard thing to do for him.

Davos is just a man. Spider-Man was holding back the entire fight (his own words).

Davos is not just a man. With a borrowed chi source, he is routinely a good match for Danny, a bullet-timer with >class 50 striking power and serious skill. Spidey having a hard time tagging him isn't bad writing, it's a reflex feat for Davos. Spidey thinking he's hitting hard enough to knock Davos out while not actually phasing him at all is a durability feat. It's all laid out pretty clearly.

Where some writers fail to grasp Iron Fist (The Iron Fist/Wolverine crossover is one example), is they assume the chi of Shou Lao the Undying is the source of his powers, and without that he'd be normal.

Not true. He's already enhanced through his internal chi, and Shou Lao adds to it. That's why the Junzo Muto stuff is so disappointing, because it presumes Junzo can walk all over Danny once he steals the Iron Fist chi from him. And it likewise assumes Junzo himself will be easy pickings once he tires from tapping into the powers.

There's plenty of examples through Danny's history to prove this isn't how it works. Davos could never have challenged Danny to steal his powers in the first place if it were, nor could Danny has soundly defeated him in a later two issue comic set.

Remember, Danny had to face and plunge his hands into the heart of a dragon just to get those /iron Fist powers..

Originally posted by namorsubby
How Danny has been displayed recently, sure

And since the 70's, 80's, and 90's:

This older feat has him deflecting 50 flechettes individually from 5 feet away, without getting a scratch.

Given the sheer volume of flechettes and the fact he didn't hurt himself in the process, that's as good as any bullet time feat..

If this was AOA Kurt it would be a STOMP!