Nightcrawler vs. Ironfist

This old Steel Serpent/Spidey fight is probably a better commentary on how Danny and Spidey stack up than any of their head to head fights, because those usually always end without a winner or have one guy holding back:

Speed and strength here. Davos, without the Iron Fist or any outside chi amping, is quick enough to catch Spidey's foot in mid leap, and strong enough lift him as if he's light as a feather and use him as a club, than throw him into a tree.

And here's the entire Steel Serpent/Spidey match, when SS has the Iron Fist:

So Spidey misses with his first two punches, gets thrown twice, and than ends up on the defensive for the rest of the fight until he's cornered.

Kind of hard to say Spidey has any advantage at all, if the best he can manage is to barely dodge what are obviously full power killing strikes, and deliver ineffective counters in return. Especially considering Spidey has Spider Sense, and Davos doesn't.

And like I said, Spidey hit him from behind, yet he's the one who got KOed.

That fight seems to be from a while ago. Both have evolved beyond that point and it's undoubtedly unfair to use those versions.

Lol, and "skill" is always the sorry excuse these writers use explain why spidey gets clowned by MAs who are usually no more than peak human in the agility category.....even though parker is many times faster, more flexible, stronger, and more balanced than humanly possible.Add precog to that and it just makes showings like these ridiculous. He looks like thug #2 out there.smh

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Not to mention the 10 ton spideys inability to Ko him with both his legs from behind, but then he turns right around and causally kos him

I gotta go with the majority to Ironfist probably 8/10

Originally posted by namorsubby
Lol, and "skill" is always the sorry excuse these writers use explain why spidey gets clowned by MAs who are usually no more than peak human in the agility category.....even though parker is many times faster, more flexible, stronger, and more balanced than humanly possible.Add precog to that and it just makes showings like these ridiculous. He looks like thug #2 out there.smh

Totally ridiculous.

Why does Spidey get beaten on by obviously human level thugs? 🙄

Originally posted by namorsubby
Lol, and "skill" is always the sorry excuse these writers use explain why spidey gets clowned by MAs who are usually no more than peak human in the agility category.....even though parker is many times faster, more flexible, stronger, and more balanced than humanly possible.Add precog to that and it just makes showings like these ridiculous. He looks like thug #2 out there.smh

Edit:

Not to mention the 10 ton spideys inability to Ko him with both his legs from behind, but then he turns right around and causally kos him

While I admit that isn't a great showing, Davos is NOT a human. He has superhuman physical stats as well as energy manipulation. Him beating spidey isn't the same as some random thug like you claim

Originally posted by cdtm
Totally ridiculous.

Why does Spidey get beaten on by obviously human level thugs? 🙄

Spidey jobs to martial artists. Iron fist wins here though.

Originally posted by cdtm
This old Steel Serpent/Spidey fight is probably a better commentary on how Danny and Spidey stack up than any of their head to head fights, because those usually always end without a winner or have one guy holding back:

Originally posted by jalek moye
While I admit that isn't a great showing, Davos is NOT a human. He has superhuman physical stats as well as energy manipulation. Him beating spidey isn't the same as some random thug like you claim

I'm just tired of writers using spidey's lack of skill as a reason why he looks completely physically out-matched by opponents he has every physical advantage against. His reflexes, strengh, and balance is already several times whats humanly possible, without even adding ss to the mix.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I meant that spider-man looked like thug #2.....in other words, cannon fodder.

I'm just tired of writers using spidey's lack of skill as a reason why he looks completely physically out-matched by opponents he has every physical advantage against. His reflexes, strengh, and balance is already several times whats humanly possible, without even adding ss to the mix.

I know. It's just that the notion that spidey has to dig down or go all out in order to best these guys is annoying.

As far as the actual match up here, I still say kurts teleporting along with kurt already very high level of superhuman agility should give him the win here.

Talk about an old, bad written fight.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I meant that spider-man looked like thug #2.....in other words, cannon fodder.

That's what he is to real men like Steel Serpent.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's what he is to real men like Steel Serpent.

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Originally posted by SamZED
Don't worry about Stilt, I found a secret weapon against him. Every time he starts saying nasty things about Spider-man just post these pics, that'll scare him off. Trust me, like silver bullets to werewolves. 😛

Originally posted by namorsubby
I know. It's just that the notion that spidey has to dig down or go all out in order to best these guys is annoying.

I can't speak for others, but Danny is a solid mid-tier hero who, with PIS low, right mauls top notch MA's. He should be a good match for Spidey anyway. Steel Serpent has always given him a hard time, so it seems consistent.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
I can't speak for others, but Danny is a solid mid-tier hero who, with PIS low, right mauls top notch MA's. He should be a good match for Spidey anyway. Steel Serpent has always given him a hard time, so it seems consistent.

Originally posted by namorsubby
How Danny has been displayed recently, sure

Naw he's been a peer of spidey for a while now. He just had shitty stamina regarding his powers. Now that he's upgraded their on equal levels with both being good at different areas.